※ [本文转录自 Lakers 看板] 作者: richard1003 (总板文字狱) 看板: Lakers 标题: [外电] 解构Kobe(下) 时间: Tue Jun 23 18:59:28 2009 3. Kobe Remains a Poor Leader; He Does Not Make His Teammates Better and They Dislike Him This is the final criticism I’ll address, and by far the most infuriating. There are variations on this theme, but the attacks usually boil down to Kobe being simply unlikable and/or selfish. 3.Kobe还是一个很差的领导者,他没有让他的队友更好,队友也不喜欢他 这是我要反驳的最後一个批评,而且是让人最不爽的一个.这种说法还有很多版本,反正主要 就是说Kobe讨人厌又自私. First, Kobe as likable. Really analyzing this requires the kind of facial expression and lip reading mastery that I don’t yet have a degree in (Simmons rejected my application). And, while I do believe that Kobe’s teammates like him, at least much more than they ever have before, that is ultimately besides the point to me. 第一,Kobe讨人喜欢吗?真的分析这个需要面对面交谈或者会读唇语,我不会.(Simmons老兄 倒是常干这种事)我相信Kobe的队友喜欢他,至少比以前喜欢得多,对我来说这根本不用提. Kobe is the leader of that team; the general. I honestly don’t care whether he has bubble baths with the guys after hours or not. I don’t care whether he makes them laugh or plays cards with them. I’m guessing that Lebron, and most nba alpha dogs, are much better at these things than Kobe. The question is whether the leader commands his teammates respect and brings out the best in them on the court. And it is simply dishonest to say that any other superstar in the league gets more out of his teammates than Kobe. Kobe是球队的领导者,将军.我不关心他们打完球会不会一起洗泡泡澡,我不关心他有没有逗 队友笑或是和他们一起玩牌.我猜LeBron或其他人做这些比Kobe好得多.重要的是领导者能 否带领球队,赢得尊敬,并且在场上以身作则.我相信这点联盟其他球星没人能胜过Kobe. First, it is acknowledged by all, friend and foe, that Kobe had a transformative effect on the other Redeem Team members. He is unmatched as a worker, professional, and student of his craft, and this quickly rubbed off on Lebron, Wade, Howard, Melo, etc. They were all quick this year to point this fact out and credit Kobe for their career years. Everyone, even Simmons, recognizes this (although he did find some way to pervert Kobe’s Olympic experience into a “mistaken” and “foolish” sharing of trade secrets… blah blah barf. Simmons, here’s a column suggestion, how about comparing Paul Pierce’s splendid USA basketball experience in 2002 with Kobe’s?). The maturation of Lebron, Wade, Melo, Howard, Paul, Deron and co. seems to be initiating another golden era for the league (leaving behind the carter-iverson, spurs-pistons and other ice-age-ish periods). Shouldn’t Kobe get some credit for this? 首先,这是被所有人承认的,Kobe对美国队球员有重大的影响,他对他的工作表现出勤奋,专 业和好学,这很快感染了Lebron, Wade, Howard, Melo等人.他们都很快指出这点而且认为 Kobe对他们生涯有帮助.所有人,甚至Simmons都承认这点.(虽然他又找到机会酸Kobe的奥运 表现是"错误"且"愚蠢",blah blah....Simmons,这边有个建议,把你们家包皮在恶梦三败队 的表现和Kobe比较一下如何?)Lebron, Wade, Melo, Howard, Paul, Deron等人的成熟似乎 又开启了一个黄金年代.(把过气的VC-AI,活塞马刺丢一边吧)Kobe不应该为此得到一些赞扬 吗? If Kobe proved so powerful in transforming superstars on the Olympic Team, then why don’t we believe he has had a similar impact on his Laker teammates over time? If you look back at recent Laker teams and players, you’ll see that this has to be the case. The last few Laker teams are absolutely littered with mediocre players that achieved some measure of never to be reproduced success next to Kobe. 如果Kobe被证明对美国队这些明星球员有重大影响,为什麽我们不能相信Kobe对湖人队友也 是如此?观察过去的例子,你会发现的确如此,一些平凡球员在离开Kobe後再也无法复制过 去的成就. Kwame Brown. Smush Parker. Chucky Atkins. Brian Cook. Chris Mihm. Kareem Rush. Jumaine Jones. Where are they now? Will we ever hear from them again? Do you realize that the 2006 Laker team won 45 games in the West with Smush Parker starting 82 games (3rd leading scorer), Kwame Brown 49, Brian Cook 46, Chris Mihm 56, and Devean George as the 6th man? Really ponder that. Will Smush Parker ever play again in the nba? Will Brian Cook ever play in the rotation again for a playoff team, much less start? Consider that Smush Parker has a 12.5 PER playing on the Lakers and a career 6.9 PER otherwise; for Brian Cook it is 14.6 with Kobe and 8.5 without. Doing this kind of PER comparison could be its own post. 冏丸,旋转门,肠哥,厨师,小明,Rush,JJ 他们现在在哪里?我们有再听过他们吗?你知道06湖人赢了45场比赛,而旋转门先发82场(得 分第三高),冏丸49,厨师46,小明56场,而蟾蜍是第六人?认真想一想,旋转门还有机会打NBA 吗?厨师还有机会打进季後赛球队的轮替,就算没先发吗?旋转门在湖人PER是12.5,在其他队 是6.9,Cook和Kobe在一起是14.6,没Kobe8.5.算一算答案应该很清楚. Now think about Kobe’s teammates on these finals teams. Will Radmanovic ever start again for a finals team? Will we ever hear from Sasha or Walton again if they leave Kobe’s side – and both have been critical performers on finals teams? How many career three pointers did Trevor Ariza make before Kobe gave him his shooting program last summer? (Nine). Would Gasol ever have made an all nba team or been considered a top 10 overall player on Memphis? How much money has playing with Kobe earned Ariza, Sasha, Walton, Smush, Cook, Kwame, Turiaf, Fisher, etc., etc. 现在想想这支湖人.狼人还有机会在冠军级球队先发吗?如果Sasha和Walton离开Kobe,我们 还会再听到他们吗?在Kobe暑假教他之前,Ariza投进过几颗三分?(9).Gasol有可能在灰熊入 选前三队或者Top 10球员吗?Ariza, Sasha, Walton, Smush,Cook, Kwame, Turiaf, Fisher等等,他们靠和Kobe一起打球多赚了多少钱? Some people in life are simply uncomfortable with mediocrity. They do not stand for it. Kobe is that teacher we all had in high school that was all business, made you do four hours of homework every night, show up every day, and pour everything you had into each assignment, paper, or test. You hated that teacher. You may have often complied out of fear, but by the end you learned a hell of a lot more than you ever had before and appreciated it. That ’s Kobe Bryant. He may not be Mr. Kicks and Giggles, but you will absolutely work your tail off and play better than you ever have before under him. As Jerry West said recently, “Kobe approaches the game the right way. Not smiling around and glad-handing guys on the other team. I watch some of these guys laughing and joking before the game or on the bench. If it’s that damn funny … maybe that’s a sign of weakness.” And all of this is on top of how easy he makes the game for others on the court, which we’ve addressed. 有些人无法忍受与庸人为伍.但Kobe就像你的高中老师,逼你每晚做四小时功课,每次考试都 要你拼尽全力,你讨厌那个老师,但是最後你发现你学得比以前都多而且感谢他.那就是Kobe Bryant.他可能不是好好先生或幽默大师.但是和他一起你绝对会夹紧尾巴并打得比以前更 好.像Jerry West最近说的,"Kobe用正确的方式比赛,不苟言笑也不和对手开玩笑.我看到有 些人比赛前在板凳区开玩笑.什麽事他妈的那麽好笑?这或许是一种软弱的象徵."这就是为 什麽Kobe让其他人打得更好. Bill Simmons just wrote an article that alleged Kobe has not changed from last year. He even pointed to fancy numbers showing that Kobe’s playoff performance this year was similar to last year. He doesn’t realize that he’ s proven my point. No, Kobe has not changed from last year. He’s the same dominant superstar that drove his team to blitz through the most brutal conference in decades. But his teammates have changed, and Kobe was the one that changed them. That is the story of these playoffs — the transformation of Gasol, Ariza, and Odom from timid softies to rise to the moment men. They now own Kobe’s work ethic and killer instinct. And they are doing things that no one thought they would ever do. Just like Lebron and Wade and Howard and Melo before them… The Lakers won 65 games; they did not lose three games in a row all year or two in a row during the playoffs. They were 4-1 in closeout games and simply crushed their opponents in each of the four wins. Why? Because the team possessed the spirit of Kobe. Bill Simmons刚刚写了一篇文章指出Kobe和去年毫无改变.他甚至提出数据认为Kobe季後赛 表现和去年没两样.他没意识到他正好证明我的论点.不,Kobe和去年一样没有改变,他还是 那个统治级球星,带领他的球队在近十年来最竞争的分区脱颖而出.但是他的队友改变了,而 Kobe是改变他们的人.那就是今年季後赛发生的事-Gasol, Ariza,和Odom从软趴趴变成硬梆 梆,他们现在有Kobe的工作态度和杀手本能.他们做到了没人认为他们能做到的事,在Lebron ,Wade,Howard和Melo之前.湖人赢了65场比赛,从未三连败,季後赛未曾二连败.在关门战战 绩是4-1,在赢球的比赛彻底击溃对手.为什麽?因为这支球队由Kobe的精神带领. 4. Finally, a Word to Mr. Simmons I like Bill Simmons. I am genuinely excited when he writes a new column on the nba. I will buy his new book the first day it comes out and probably enjoy it. But sometimes you need to call a spade a spade. Bill’s had a rough playoff run. He’s said things like: 4.最後,给Simmons先生的话 我喜欢 Bill Simmons,当他写新的NBA专栏,我真的感到兴奋.我会在上市第一天就去买他的 新书.但是有时候你得实话实说.Bill季後赛过得并不好.他说了一些话像: “I have been saying that for 2 months now. What we’re watching this spring is basically the 2006 Lakers, only with Gasol replacing Chris Mihm, Kobe being 15% worse, Bynum being 20% better and Ariza being a slight improvement over Ariza. It’s a limited team that lacks toughness and can be beaten.” "我已经说这句话两个月了.我们看到的这支基本上是2006年的湖人,只是把Chris Mihm换成 Gasol,Kobe退步15%,Bynum进步20%,Ariza几乎没进步.这是一支有限的球队,缺乏意志,可以 被击败." The ‘09 Cavs are the ‘91 Bulls reincarnated… everyone keeps underestimating them and nobody realizes that they are about the blow thru these last 2 rounds.” "09骑士是91公牛复刻,大家都低估他们而没有意识到他们前两轮横扫对手." The Magic just needed 7 games to beat a Celtics team that had 2 scorers with dead legs, Scalabrine/Marbury/House as their bench and actually ran a game-ending play for Glen Davis. Don’t start thinking Orlando is good please. "魔术打败塞尔提克是因为打了七场比赛後,塞尔提克只剩下两个跑不动的得分手, Scalabrine/Marbury/House是他们的板凳,最後一击还得交给Glen Davis.拜托不要开始认 为奥兰多是强队." “Dwight Howard couldn’t score 40 points in a game if he was going against Yi Jianlian’s chair.” "Dwight Howard即使面对易建联的椅子也拿不到40分." These ironclad, can’t be otherwise predictions have proven not just wrong, but embarrassingly wrong. That would be okay given that he’s just a fan like the rest of us – we all are wrong and most of us didn’t see Orlando coming. But he has the hubris to persevere in omniscience. Whenever Simmons is wrong, he always follows the same pattern: (1) blame the failed team’s coach, and (2) use hindsight to tell us what the losing team should have done to win. Just admit you blew it, Bill. Admit that you misread Cleveland, Orlando, and LA. Admit that instead of blaming Cleveland’s loss on bad coaching and the failure of Cleveland’s role players you should have considered these facts before making your predictions – that Brown’s offensive lack of creativity and the playoff inexperience of Cleveland’s role players might be a problem after all. Monday morning quarterbacking doesn’t become front page espn writers. 这些没有比其他错误的预测离谱啦,只是很难堪而已.如果他是跟我们一样的球迷那就OK-我 们都错了也没想到奥兰多会杀出东区.但是他总是傲慢的坚持自己是全知的.不管Simmons错 得多离谱,他总是按照同样模式:(1)责怪败队的教练(2)马後炮说败队这样打就会赢.就承认 你搞砸了吧,Bill.承认你错估了克里夫兰,奥兰多和洛杉矶.承认你在写预测时早该想到 Brown的不会进攻和骑士配角的缺乏经验会是问题,而不是事後再来骂.星期一早上的马後炮 不会上ESPN头条的啦. While we know you have to undermine LA’s title as a Boston fan, do you really want to start comparing how our team was built with Boston’s current roster? Do you really want to talk about non-repeatable good fortune? Do you want me to list your quotes damning Doc and Ainge for openly tanking in 2007? Do you really believe that LA’s roster is some cosmic accident wholly unlike every other title team in history? Because if you do, I have some Paul Pierce 2002 FIBA World Championship cards I need to sell. 我知道你身为波士顿球迷一定会开始贬低湖人的冠军啦,你要我们开始比较哪边外挂开得比 较大吗?你真的打算讲从未卫冕的历史吗?你要我列出07年你是怎麽干谯Doc和Ainge疯狂摆 烂吗?你真的认为湖人的阵容是宇宙最大的意外,和其他冠军队不同吗?如果你这样做,我有 一些2002世界杯的包皮球员卡想要卖耶. And, while you were quick to point out that LA didn’t have to play Boston in this years finals (which is assuming a lot), you failed to note that Boston was lucky not face Ariza or the one-legged Bynum. Do you have any idea how painful it was to watch Radmanovic guard Pierce as opposed to Ariza? I would gladly replay the 2008 and 2009 finals, both against Boston, with LA’s current team. Would you? 然後,你一定会说湖人今年不用碰到波士顿(自以为),你没提到波士顿很幸运不用碰到Ariza 和一条腿的Bynum.你知道看狼人守包皮有多痛苦吗?我会很高兴08,09冠军赛重打,都面对波 士顿,用今年的湖人阵容,你会吗? But, beyond that, Simmons most recent attack on Kobe is agenda-driven nonsense. We get it, Bill. We know you hate Kobe. We know you hate that he now has more titles than Bird. We know it eats away at you that the Celtics are probably a one and done band of mercenaries while the Lakers are built for the long haul. We know that the Lakers have won 9 titles and been to 15 finals in your lifetime compared to 4 and 6 for the Celtics. We know those 60s Celtic rings came in a different NBA — pre-expansion, salary cap, globalization, etc. We know that, as a Celtics fan, you have sworn a blood oath to discredit and undermine LA and Kobe at all costs – even if it infects the tone and quality of your writing. But, please, give us Laker fans the courtesy of relying on actual facts and evidence to support your arguments. Don’t rewatch the finals celebration a dozen times searching for one missed high five or false smile. Don’t read Phil’s mind. Use your army of researchers to give us something meaningful to actually chew on and think about. Because what I see when I study Kobe is the game’s preeminent player, leader, teammate, and winner. Redd 除此之外,Simmons最近攻击Kobe什麽都不是.我们知道了,Bill.我们知道你反科啦.我们知 道你讨厌Kobe现在冠军比大鸟多.我们知道你担忧炒短线超塞可能只有这一冠而湖人还能强 很久.我们知道湖人在你生命中已拿了9冠15次总冠军赛,塞尔提克只有4冠6次.我们知道塞 尔提克60年代的冠军来自一个不同的NBA-球队少,没有薪资上限,也没有全球化.我们知道身 为塞尔提克球迷,你必须不惜代价全力贬低Kobe和洛杉矶-即使那会降低你文章的格调.但是 ,拜托,给我们湖人迷一点尊重,在你的批评中加入一些事实和证据吧.不要看冠军庆祝十几 次寻找miss掉的击掌或是谁没有笑.不要读Phil的心.利用你研究者的武器给我们一些有意 义的东西可以思考回味.因为当我研究Kobe,我看到一个伟大球员,领导者,好队友和胜利者. -- Ask around the league, "Who is the hardest player to guard?" The answer is inevitably: “Oh, you mean, besides Kobe?” --

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