作者scju (QQ)
看板Eng-Class
標題[文法] 辭典中的if all of it will not fit
時間Tue Mar 27 19:32:02 2018
各位好，請教一下
在韋氏高階雙解辭典看到這樣的說明：
"Dots" within headwords show the places where you can break a word and add a
hyphen if all of it will not fit at the end of a line of print or writing.
附圖
https://i.imgur.com/DyoRgAL.jpg
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想請教if子句用will的寫法。查了一下PEU 3rd.
260
1) results
We use "will" with "if" to talk about what will happen because of possible
future actions - to mean 'if this will be the later result'. Compare:
- I'll give you ￡100 if I win the lottery. (Winning the lottery is a
condition - it must happen first.)
I'll give you ￡100 if it'll help you to go on holiday. (The holiday is a
result - it follows the gift of money.)
- We'll go home now if you get the car. (condition)
We'll go home now if it will make you feel better. (result)
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2) 'If it is true now that .. .'
We use "will" with "if" when we are saying 'if it is true now that .. .' or
'if we know now that ...'.例句：
If Ann won't be here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting.
If prices will really come down in a few months, I'm not going to buy one now.
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這兩種解釋中，我認為應該第二個比較符合。因為第一個的if子句用will是表示結果，
也就是比較後面發生的。然而以韋氏那一句來說：
... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it will not fit
at the end of a line of print or writing.
意思應該是，如果字放不下，你可以切字並加上連字號。（我認為all of it的it代替
a word。）因此if all of it will not fit at the end...是表示原因，是先發生的，
不符合PEU的第一種解釋。
詢問於英語論壇
https://goo.gl/QfNF8g
網友J&K Tutoring卻認為：
The dictionary author cannot know about your margins or how your words might
fill the space, as your writing comes later. Hence, the use of if/will
looking to a possible future. To simplify the sentence: "...break if it will
(not) fit..."
Actually, 260.1 fits your example better: "...what will happen because of
possible future action..."
我回應：
But I would think that "if all of it will not fit ..." happens first, and
that "you can break a word and add a hyphen" second.
他說：
Your writing is in an unknown future, but the result is static- it's the
same; past, present, and future. It's a general statement that applies at any
time, so present tense is used.
（我不太懂他這個回應想表達什麼？）
我又補充：
I would think it is the following:
... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) will not
fit at the end of a line of print or writing.
... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) does not
fit at the end of a line of print or writing.
Is anything wrong? Could you tell me?
他回覆：
Both of your examples mean more or less the same, but I prefer "will not fit".
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這我就不懂了，既然他認同我最後的說法，原句可以改寫為
... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) does not
fit at the end of a line of print or writing.
那這樣不是很明顯是if子句發生在前嗎？怎麼會符合PEU的第一種解釋呢？
請教各位了，謝謝！
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1F：推 kbccb01: 我想是回應網友誤解260.1的意思了，應該是"if/will用在相 03/27 20:18
2F：→ kbccb01: 對於另一子句(寫連字號)的未來"，但他想成了"相對於現在( 03/27 20:18
3F：→ kbccb01: 看字典)的未來"，所以回你是260.1 03/27 20:18
4F：→ kbccb01: 你再問可是"連字號"應該是"塞不下"的未來，他這時以為你 03/27 20:18
5F：→ kbccb01: 問的是"這句更未來怎沒用will"，所以解說為什麼用現在式 03/27 20:18
6F：→ kbccb01: 總之我覺得是2的解釋比較對 03/27 20:18
kb大您好，感謝您解釋，後半段我懂了，可是前半段我不懂，韋氏辭典解釋裡，
if/will應該是相對於另一子句(寫連字號)的「過去」才對吧？
（先「放不下」，才「寫連字號」）
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還是說您想表達的是，如果照260.1來看，if/will應該是相對於另一子句(寫連字號)的
「未來」？（但事實上這樣的意思說不通）
※ 編輯: scju (1.169.78.250), 03/27/2018 20:48:40
7F：→ kbccb01: 後者，我上文第一行“應該是”指的是260.1的內容，但因為 03/27 21:54
8F：→ kbccb01: 不通我才覺得不是 03/27 21:54
9F：推 l10nel: "will not fit"這個will是PEU 260.2的情況,先發生,表條件 03/28 09:55
10F：→ l10nel: will/does not fit都可,will稍自然一些,是will表未來意志 03/28 09:57
11F：→ l10nel: 但套用在無生命東西(word)的譬喻用法,很常見啊 03/28 09:58
感謝回應！不過我想應該不是表示意志，就是260.2的意思而已。
因為260.5有講表示意志的用法，看起並不相同。
https://i.imgur.com/LVMP94M.png
更新：
網友Raymott說
To me, 'will' does not indicate futurity, so the rule doesn't apply. "If the
words won't fit ..." means "If the words don't fit ...".
Compare: "I keep trying, but the car just won't start." That is not a
statement about the future, but about the recent past and present.
我又問網友jutfrank，他說認同Raymott，並且認為既不是260.1，也不是260.2
真奇怪了...
※ 編輯: scju (114.25.216.107), 03/28/2018 15:15:18
12F：推 l10nel: PEU是很實用的書,缺點在於篇幅不是最大,所以它也無法羅列 03/28 15:22
13F：→ l10nel: 所有有關will意志/意願的情況,導致你認爲所有有關意志的 03/28 15:22
14F：→ l10nel: 只限於260.5那一點點的描述和例句,誤以爲它只用在客氣的請 03/28 15:23
15F：推 l10nel: 求,沒有其他狀況,包括will not fit,這樣獨重一本書並不好 03/28 15:27
16F：→ l10nel: 建議查查像the car won't start這種例子,和the word won't 03/28 15:31
17F：→ l10nel: fit是同一個will的用法,看看其他地方/書如何解釋這個will, 03/28 15:32
18F：→ l10nel: 或許就會發現PEU在這點上並不詳盡 03/28 15:35
好的，感謝！所以您認為是260.2+表示「意志」的意思嗎？
(260.3我沒附上，因為就是講if當名詞子句、當動詞受詞時可用未來式
，這種情況蠻好辨認的)
(更新)
英語討論區那邊有新的內容，有興趣的朋友可移駕。
※ 編輯: scju (114.25.216.107), 03/29/2018 23:53:02