作者benjamin26 (刺蝟小班)
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標題[NCAA] Heisman Trophy
時間Sun Dec 13 10:20:23 2009
由Alabama 的 Mark Ingram奪得
恭喜
不過 ... 根據之前Heisman魔咒
當年Heisman得獎的那支隊伍
在Bowl game都會中邪輸球
是否今年能破除魔咒呢?
2006 Heisman Troy Smith
在National Championship Game 14-41輸給Florida
2007 Tim Tebow
在Bowl Game 35-41輸給了Michigan
2008 Sam Braford
在National Championship Game 14-24 輸給Florida
2009 Mark Ingram vs Texas
Will he break the curse ?
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1F：→ noguest:Another BS Heisman vote, it's not best college player 12/13 10:39
2F：→ noguest:award, it becomes best-stats-on-#1-team award. 12/13 10:40
3F：推 yij:樓上何解? 12/13 10:41
4F：→ noguest:two words: Ndamukong Suh 12/13 10:46
5F：→ noguest:Suh is the best and most dominating college football 12/13 10:49
6F：→ noguest:player, hands down. Heisman again shows no love for 12/13 10:49
7F：→ noguest:defensive player. 12/13 10:50
8F：推 Xtreme:best-stats-on-#1-team award有什麼不好? 12/13 11:11
9F：→ Xtreme:要看數據有各項獎項可以得 12/13 11:11
10F：推 TKtrojan:05年Reggie Bush...USC那年輸給了Vince Young領軍的Texas 12/13 12:03
11F：→ TKtrojan:不過Leinert 04年拿Heisman 結果USC那年還是贏Oklahoma 12/13 12:04
12F：→ TKtrojan:拿下全國冠軍 所以Curse是從05那年開始的... 12/13 12:04
13F：→ noguest:It seems like Xtreme agrees Heisman should be renamed 12/13 12:08
14F：→ noguest:to best-stats-on-#1-team award instead of most 12/13 12:09
15F：→ noguest:outstanding player award. XD 12/13 12:09
16F：推 nacarafog:this is full of crap and all about media love 12/13 12:34
17F：→ nacarafog:Ingram is not even the best RB in the nation 12/13 12:35
18F：→ nacarafog:and second worst stat in the Heisman history 12/13 12:35
19F：推 Xtreme:支持的人拿不到獎就是BS是Crap? 既然知道是crap又何必生氣? 12/13 12:36
20F：→ nacarafog:HOW COULD YOU WIN THE BEST PLAYER AWARD 12/13 12:36
21F：→ Xtreme:獎只有一個 天下哪有公平的事? 12/13 12:36
22F：→ nacarafog:IF YOU ARE NOT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER IN YOUR POS? 12/13 12:37
23F：→ Xtreme:Suh可以拿到最大NFL合約，McCoy還有一場可以證明自己 12/13 12:37
24F：→ nacarafog:Thing is Ingram doesn't deserve the best player 12/13 12:37
25F：→ nacarafog:I don't care whether McCoy get Heisman 12/13 12:38
26F：→ Xtreme:Best position自己有獎項ok? Heisman=MVP近年來都是這樣的 12/13 12:38
27F：→ Xtreme:要看數據那Graham Harrell Case Keenum應該拿這二年 12/13 12:40
28F：推 nacarafog:So it's "one game" MVP? huh? 12/13 12:41
29F：→ nacarafog:Alabama is could be undefeated not because 12/13 12:43
30F：→ nacarafog:of Ingram 12/13 12:43
31F：→ nacarafog:look back Bama's scheudle tell me how many game they 12/13 12:44
32F：→ nacarafog:won because of their defense? huh? 12/13 12:44
33F：→ nacarafog:Ingram just provides some steady contribution 12/13 12:45
34F：→ nacarafog:and have one or two big games 12/13 12:45
35F：推 nacarafog:and his number is the second worst in the history 12/13 12:49
36F：→ nacarafog:you tell me this is MVP in the nation? 12/13 12:49
37F：→ nacarafog:face the truth it is all about media love 12/13 12:49
38F：推 tirple:樓上We all know who you gonna say who really deserves 12/13 13:32
39F：→ tirple:it, so save it. 12/13 13:32
40F：推 nacarafog:no I don't give a crap on McCoy 12/13 13:33
41F：→ nacarafog:I think he deserves last year 12/13 13:34
42F：→ nacarafog:this year is just not his year 12/13 13:34
43F：→ nacarafog:he could have this trophy 12/13 13:34
44F：→ nacarafog:but they are other people deserve this trophy 12/13 13:35
45F：→ nacarafog:more than McCoy and that RB from Bama 12/13 13:35
46F：推 tirple:Now you're just being ridiculous, my friend lol 12/13 13:37
47F：→ tirple:McCoy Last year? Are we saying the one that compete 12/13 13:37
48F：→ tirple:with Bradford? 12/13 13:37
49F：→ nacarafog:such as Toby Gerhart 12/13 13:38
50F：→ nacarafog:Do you realize that McCoy beat Bradford last year? 12/13 13:39
51F：→ nacarafog:45-35 there you go! 12/13 13:40
52F：→ nacarafog:We don't have defense last year 12/13 13:41
53F：→ nacarafog:we didn't have running game neither 12/13 13:42
54F：→ nacarafog:We won every game because of our offense 12/13 13:42
55F：→ nacarafog:And McCoy is the our key to run offense 12/13 13:43
56F：→ nacarafog:Without McCoy last year, we were full of shit 12/13 13:44
57F：→ nacarafog:BTW he is our leading rusher as well 12/13 13:44
58F：→ nacarafog:and McCoy beat Bradford!!! 12/13 13:45
59F：→ nacarafog:we were underdog which ranked only 10 last year 12/13 13:46
60F：→ nacarafog:This is what best player in the nation stands for 12/13 13:48
61F：→ nacarafog:My friend. 12/13 13:48
62F：推 broken543:Yds after contact可以到115...... 12/13 14:04
63F：→ noguest:again, Xtreme you're wrong. While I support Gerhart 12/13 14:08
64F：→ noguest:and want my alma mater to have another Heisman winner, 12/13 14:08
65F：→ noguest:I know Suh is the best player in the country. What I 12/13 14:08
66F：→ noguest:don't agree is Heisman goes to media hype again instea 12/13 14:09
67F：→ noguest:d of choosing the best player in the country. 12/13 14:09
68F：→ noguest:It's funny that you never argue Heisman fuck up one 12/13 14:10
69F：→ noguest:more time this year. Heisman=MVP and Ingram is NOT 12/13 14:10
70F：→ noguest:the MVP in college football this year. Since you like 12/13 14:10
71F：→ noguest:to talk about position award (don't know your point 12/13 14:10
72F：→ noguest:tbh), Ingram is not even the best player in his 12/13 14:10
73F：→ noguest:position and he is even benefitted by a much better 12/13 14:10
74F：→ noguest:O-line than Gerhart. 12/13 14:10
75F：推 dwy:有點意外又有點不意外！私心是給Suh or Gerhart 話說前兩名 12/13 14:10
76F：→ dwy:超接近！ 12/13 14:11
77F：推 nacarafog:Ingram is one game MVP 12/13 14:13
78F：→ nacarafog:the game is called SEC Champ 12/13 14:13
79F：→ nacarafog:ESPN is still biased 12/13 14:13
80F：推 dwy:也覺得有點受sec冠軍賽影響！沒辦法，他在那一場打得好啊！ 12/13 14:17
81F：→ dwy:拿冠軍比較重要啦！去年我老婆學校的阿呆拿了還不是冠軍賽輸球 12/13 14:19
82F：→ dwy:nacarafog你就想搞不好魔咒繼續，你們家今年就冠軍啦！ 12/13 14:19
83F：→ dwy:雖然覺得你們有點運氣，那一場Suh超威啊... 12/13 14:21
84F：→ dwy:這幾年的得主進NFL有多少是到現在還表現的不錯的啊？ 12/13 14:23
85F：推 nacarafog:Suh is the real beast 12/13 14:30
86F：→ nacarafog:He destorys McCoy's Hesiman hope 12/13 14:30
87F：→ nacarafog:I don't want to think of Hesiman curse 12/13 14:32
88F：→ nacarafog:because IF we win on Jan 07 in Pasadena 12/13 14:32
89F：推 nacarafog:it simply states we are the best team in the nation 12/13 14:36
90F：→ nacarafog:The best team will win that game 12/13 14:38
91F：→ nacarafog:if Suh beat texas that day, he is the man 12/13 14:39
92F：→ nacarafog:the man with that trophy but he has bad luck 12/13 14:40
93F：推 nacarafog:in opioin Suh is the best player in NCAA 12/13 14:42
94F：推 nacarafog:BTW Bama is not No.1 team yet. not yet 12/13 14:51
95F：→ nacarafog:So Ingram couldn't be MVP of No.1 team at this point 12/13 14:51
96F：→ nacarafog:The No.1 still needs to be determined 12/13 14:52
97F：推 dwy:way to go! 我們也要在Pasadena比啊！對了！你們明年的qb會是 12/13 15:15
98F：→ dwy:有可能讓Case來接嗎？ 12/13 15:15
99F：推 nacarafog:不會 Case 99.987654%會Reshirt 哈 12/13 15:42
100F：→ nacarafog:他的身材還不行應該需要一年的重訓 12/13 15:43
101F：→ nacarafog:雖說他的Arm strength比他老哥好 12/13 15:43
102F：→ nacarafog:其他方面也很不錯 12/13 15:44
103F：→ nacarafog:但是他跟他老哥高中的實後比起來 還差一個檔次 12/13 15:44
104F：→ nacarafog:應該不是即戰力 12/13 15:45
105F：→ nacarafog:明年的Back up QB應該不外乎是Sherrod Harris或是 12/13 15:45
106F：→ nacarafog:Conor Wood-->這傢伙我們期望很大 12/13 15:46
107F：→ nacarafog:Physical talent很棒但是比較晚接觸Football 12/13 15:46
108F：→ nacarafog:也是需要好好磨練 12/13 15:46
109F：→ nacarafog:明年的先發應該是#3 Garret Gilbert 12/13 15:48
111F：→ nacarafog:所以假設大家都沒有redshirt的話 12/13 15:49
112F：→ nacarafog:推測 1.GG 2/3. Sharrod/Conor 4. Case 12/13 15:50
113F：→ nacarafog:其面排很多人所以Case應該是會redshirt 12/13 15:50
114F：→ nacarafog:然後Shipley他弟後年要進來 12/13 15:52
115F：→ nacarafog:所以 McCoy-Shipley可能還有續集 12/13 15:52
116F：→ nacarafog:Wood的條件比較像是Ole Miss 的Snead 12/13 15:53
117F：→ nacarafog:但是體能條件好很多很多很多很多很多y 12/13 15:54
118F：推 nacarafog:大概是這樣子了 Case其實條件比他哥好 12/13 15:57
119F：→ nacarafog:Gator那時後也有offer他的樣子 12/13 15:57
120F：→ dougho:i wonder how many of you actually watched all of 12/13 16:21
121F：→ dougho:Suh's games to say he's the best player in the league.. 12/13 16:21
122F：推 mrkey:這也可以戰.....怎麼有點像是在看幾年前AL MVP 戲碼 12/13 16:29
123F：→ dougho:defensive player本來就得不到太多愛 又不像qb rb 12/13 16:30
124F：→ mrkey:今年已經是 close call 還要戰...吵完也還是 Ingram 拿回家 12/13 16:30
125F：→ mrkey:Suh,Gerhart,McCoy 今年某些比賽/整個球季打的多突出 12/13 16:30
126F：→ dougho:可以拿出很多好看的數據 而且他也得到defensive PoY 12/13 16:30
127F：→ mrkey:投票的人,球迷都看在眼裡. Heisman 真的就決定一切? 12/13 16:31
128F：→ dougho:我已經準備要下texas會贏nc了XD 12/13 16:35
129F：→ dougho:感覺很多人只是為了反而反...~"~ 12/13 16:37
130F：→ mrkey:Texas會贏嗎? um.....interesting 12/13 18:10
131F：推 nacarafog:I feel this year has no offense dominate team 12/13 18:13
132F：→ nacarafog:every team has inconsistent offense problems 12/13 18:13
133F：→ nacarafog:but this year shows soem defense flash 12/13 18:15
134F：→ nacarafog:so my best player will come from defense player 12/13 18:16
135F：→ nacarafog:i watched several of his games 12/13 18:16
136F：→ nacarafog:I am impressed how he create consistent preasure 12/13 18:16
137F：→ nacarafog:to QB he forces every one to double team him 12/13 18:17
138F：→ nacarafog:which leaves the space for his teammates 12/13 18:18
139F：→ nacarafog:and he still beats double team 12/13 18:18
140F：→ nacarafog:i am impressed how OU lost its game to NEB 12/13 18:18
141F：→ nacarafog:如果今天是Suh或是Toby 拿回家 12/13 18:19
142F：→ nacarafog:我沒話說啊 McCoy deserves 但是有人比他更deserves 12/13 18:20
143F：→ nacarafog:令人不爽的是這講根本是media love 愛誰就是誰 12/13 18:21
144F：→ nacarafog:然後ESPN還一直在推銷他們喜歡的球員 12/13 18:22
145F：→ nacarafog:而且Ingram不管是數字還是球隊重要性 12/13 18:23
146F：→ nacarafog:都沒有其他球員好看 12/13 18:24
147F：→ nacarafog:看看人家Ricky Williams那時候是怎麼拿到的 12/13 18:27
148F：→ nacarafog:看看人家的數字 12/13 18:27
149F：→ nacarafog:Ingram 不只不相近差的十萬八千里 12/13 18:27
150F：→ nacarafog:論球隊重要性 12/13 18:27
151F：→ nacarafog:Bama沒有Ingram 不一定會輸球 有他也不一定會多贏 12/13 18:28
152F：→ nacarafog:看看Auburn 跟Tenn的比賽 12/13 18:28
153F：推 nacarafog:Bama今年的比賽幾乎的都是靠防守打天下的 12/13 18:32
154F：推 nacarafog:看看Toby的數據 你要不要試試看不讓他打 12/13 18:34
155F：→ nacarafog:stanford 今年會是什麼樣子? 12/13 18:34
156F：→ nacarafog:你要不要看看McCoy 今年受傷會是怎樣 12/13 18:34
157F：→ nacarafog:你要不要看看Shu 受傷不打 Ned 會少贏多少場 12/13 18:35
158F：→ nacarafog:默行其妙嘛 這是 12/13 18:36
159F：→ nacarafog:而且跟其他winner 比起來他的數字是史上倒數第二 12/13 18:36
160F：→ nacarafog:重要性比不過人家 數字也比不過人家 12/13 18:37
161F：→ nacarafog:這樣拿的很理直氣壯嗎? 12/13 18:37
162F：推 Xtreme:你有看過Bama第一場比賽嗎? 沒有Ingram第一場就敗了 12/13 23:40
163F：→ Xtreme:每個人都很值得，獎就一個，都已經頒了不爽也沒用(茶) 12/13 23:40
164F：推 mrkey:說實在的,有關於Heisman,我到覺得ESPN算是沒有偏頗任何人 12/14 00:05
165F：→ mrkey:裡面幾個大佬說要投給誰的時候,其實都挺平均的 12/14 00:05
166F：→ mrkey:Suh和Toby的表現,我也沒話講.看了TEX/NEB, OU/NEB, USC/STAN 12/14 00:06
167F：→ mrkey:的比賽, 我也一度懷疑會是他們兩個拿. 但是我想 12/14 00:07
168F：→ mrkey:1.regional排擠效應太強. Suh和McCoy同區,McCoy拿B12冠軍 12/14 00:07
169F：→ mrkey:Suh和McCoy馬上先起衝突. 至於Toby,他欠缺某種程度上的包裝 12/14 00:09
170F：→ mrkey:Ingram上CBS,ESPN太多次(轉播),Toby的STAN印象中幾乎沒有 12/14 00:09
171F：→ mrkey:坦白說,今年給Tebow以外的四位,我都沒意見.選Heisman 12/14 00:11
172F：→ mrkey:的方是我是不太清楚,但很明顯,戰績這方面實在很吃香. 12/14 00:11
173F：→ mrkey:如果要比數據,那就像X大說的,Keenum,Harrell早該得了 12/14 00:12
174F：→ mrkey:就看你怎麼定義Heisman的解釋是甚麼. 12/14 00:13
175F：推 mrkey:既然人家是選Ingram,就可見數據並不是在所有投票者中認為 12/14 00:18
176F：→ mrkey:最重要的數據. 或者, 也不是用甚麼"從一隊抽掉"的想法去評估 12/14 00:19
177F：推 nacarafog:如果不是用數字或是重要性 那要拿什麼當依據呢? 12/14 02:26
178F：→ nacarafog:雖說數據不是最重要的 但是也不能太爛吧? 12/14 02:27
179F：→ nacarafog:i mean 不能太普通吧? 12/14 02:27
180F：→ nacarafog:一整個投票的過程就偏向media love 12/14 02:28
181F：→ nacarafog:這是最不能接受的地方 12/14 02:29
182F：→ nacarafog:要拿這個獎就要該有的數字或是相對數字 12/14 02:30
183F：→ nacarafog:也必須要該有的重要性 12/14 02:30
184F：→ nacarafog:這也是這獎最原始的選擇方式 12/14 02:32
185F：推 nacarafog:ESPN從SEC Champ 打完之後就開始每天大力推銷 12/14 02:34
186F：→ nacarafog:Bama跟Ingram 然後一直在電視上說我會投誰我會投誰 12/14 02:36
187F：推 Xtreme:投票啊 就像Jeter拿金手套一樣啊XD 12/14 03:35
188F：推 ChaosCreator:樓樓上，ESPN在季初講最多的是Tebow、McCoy、Ingram 12/14 03:46
189F：→ ChaosCreator:Gerhart的名字是在USC莫再提之後才冒出來，Suh在季末 12/14 03:48
190F：→ ChaosCreator:稍微有被提到，大十二冠軍賽後變成熱門之一。 12/14 03:48
191F：推 TKtrojan:ㄐ特拿金手套那個比喻真讚 XD 12/14 12:50
192F：→ TKtrojan:不過拿Heisman跟以後在Pro的發展的關係並不是那麼強 12/14 12:52
193F：→ TKtrojan:所以這種投票選出來的獎大家看看就好 12/14 12:54
194F：→ yr:ESPN 的 E 就是 Entertainment 嘛！不用意外啦！ XD 12/14 23:40