※ 引述《TPCMAX (左岸沉思)》之銘言： : 英國最權威的足球評論家.也是知名的數據分析師.同時也是前英格蘭國家隊前鋒.曾任BBC : 特約評論員.現任的SkyTV特約評論員的Andy Gray終於說話了….. : 他的一字一句.在英格蘭乃至於整個歐洲足壇.有相當的影響力 : 關於Keown.這名Andy Gray的前隊友.同時也是他的後輩. : Andy說出了相當中肯的心中感受.最了不起的是.Gray是兵工廠的球迷…………. : It would be nice to sit here and defend Arsenal and say they were within : their rights, the way they behaved against Manchester United - : but I can't… 坐在這裡為兵工廠空口辯護說他們對曼聯的行為是在可接受的範圍內， 應該是很開心的，但是我不能…… : (這句話不知能能不能點醒所有為兵工廠辯護的球迷) : It's very difficult to have any sympathy for their behaviour at certain moments : during the game and certainly on the final whistle as they celebrated a point. : It was un-called for and you simply can't defend the indefensible. : And it was not just the rounding on Ruud van Nistelrooy at the end. : I am also talking about what happened after Patrick Vieira : was sent off and straight after the Dutchman's penalty miss. : I do have some sympathy for Vieira : because his first booking was for his only three fouls in the game a : nd none of them were serious, but once he kicked out at Van Nistelrooy, : Steve Bennett had no option but to send him off. 對於他們在比賽中某些時刻的行為，尤其是在終場哨音後他們慶祝得來的一分時所做 的事，我實在很難感到同情。 那根本是不需要而不適宜的動作，而再怎麼樣，你就 是不能為了不該辯護的事情辯護。 不止是最後對范尼斯特魯伊的言語和行動攻擊， 還有維埃拉被罰下及緊接著荷蘭人點球罰失後所發生的事。 我的確同情維埃拉，因 為他的第一張黃牌只因為他在一場比賽中三次不很嚴重的犯規，但是當他對范尼斯特 魯斯踢出那一腳的時候，就注定班奈特沒有別的選擇，只能讓他離場。 : (這句為Vieira說了公道話..但也說明裁判的判罰正確) : Even if he didn't make contact, there is the word 'intent' in the rules, : which makes the decision a right one. 即使他沒有真的接觸到范尼，但是規則裡清楚的用了"意圖"這樣的用字， 也就是說，只要是有傷人意圖出現，這個判罰就是正確的。 : (雖然沒有踢到范尼.但是根據規則是應該要給牌) : And I don't think for a moment that van Nistlerooy has done anything : to be ashamed of.He didn't go to ground as if he had been caught, : all he did was step back and look around in amazement at Patrick's reaction. : I think he was genuinely surprised by it : and I thought he came out of the whole episode after the game : with a great deal of credit for refusing to react. 而且我並不認為當時范尼斯特魯斯有做出任何無恥的事。他沒有倒在地上，當他被 吹犯規時，他只是為維埃拉的反應感到吃驚而往後退。我認為他是真的對於維埃拉 的動作感到了吃驚，而我也認為他在比賽結束後拒絕對這件插曲回應的態度，足以 凸顯他良好的品德。 : (這裡說明了范尼的反應並沒有不當) : You expect the odd remark when you miss a penalty in such a big game : as van Nistelrooy got, but what happened at the final whistle was a : bsolutely un-called for Players with the experience of Martin Keown, : Ray Parlour and Lauren should know better - especially Keown. : I played in the same team as Martin when he was a kid at Aston Villa : and he is aggressive and he does get involved. : He is everything Arsene Wenger wants him to be and to an extent, : needed him to be given their form going into the Old Trafford game, : but this time he over-stepped the mark. 當你像范尼斯特魯伊一樣，在這樣一場大比賽中射失點球，你會期待不尋常的評價， 然而在終場哨聲後所發生的事情，實在是之於像基翁、帕洛爾和勞倫這樣有經驗的 球員不該不知道那完全是沒有必要的不適當行為--尤其對於基翁來說。當基翁還是 是個在阿斯頓維拉踢球的小伙子時，我和他曾一起踢球，而他對於不被列入先發感 到很不滿。 他後來完全達到了溫格對他的期望，甚至需要他穿上槍手服一起到老 特拉福打這場比賽，然而，這次他卻逾越了他的準則。 : (身為Keown的前隊友兼前輩..Gray語重心長) : The big question is what action will be taken. : I know a lot of people are calling for a points deduction, : but I don't think it merited that. : The FA have three options, as I see it: : they can do nothing; charge Arsenal as team, : or charge individuals with various offences, : which will act in the same manner as red cards. : I think the latter is the the course they will take : and for the good of the game, I hope they do it sooner rather than later, : because it is sad that it happened and it is sad that when the : two best teams in the country meet, all we are talking about is indiscipline. 最大的問題是到底需要採取什麼樣的動作來判罰，我知道已經有很多人呼籲應該 在積分上做出扣減，不過我不認為這是應得的。就我所知，現在足總有三種意見： 一是什麼也不做，二是對阿森納整隊做出處罰，或是針對個別球員不同的犯規動 作提起告訴，若是採取最後一種方案，這些動作將等同於得到紅牌判罰。我想為了 比賽好，最後一種方式應該是足總會採行的，我希望他們儘快採取行動，因為發生 這種事實在令人難過，而更難過是是，這事發生兩隻最好的隊伍於國內對上時， 這實在是失序的行為。 : (Gray希望FA趕快做出判罰來導正英超的紀律) : People involved with Arsenal, including ex-players and supporters, : have found it impossible to defend what we saw. : They clearly have a disciplinary problem : and I just can't see how Arsene Wenger can claim : the whole world is against his side after their actions after the : whistle at Old Trafford. 和兵工廠有關的人士，包括了前隊員及支持者，都認為他們不能為他們所看到的事辯護 他們明顯的有著紀律上的問題，而我實在看不過去，溫格竟然可以在他們做出這種行為 後，還聲稱全世界都在和他們作對。 : (根據一天來的輿論 包括兵工廠的前隊員及支持者 大多表示溫格的隊伍有嚴重的紀律問題) ------ 不管了，反正我要PO啦~~~><~~~ 都翻了半天了XD 現在該滾回去睡了XD --

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