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這是時代雜誌的報導 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7000795.ece From The Times January 25, 2010 Royal Society meet to discuss if extra-terrestrials are here on Earth 皇家學會開會討論「如果外星生命就在地球」 Mono Lake, California: 'home to arsenic-loving beings' Hannah Devlin 77 Comments Recommend? (32) It is the classic sci-fi scenario: discovering aliens, not in outer space, but right here on Earth, sitting next to you in the workplace, serving food in your local restaurant, or, scariest of all, in your own home. The premise might sound like the film Men in Black, but this week it will consume the great minds of science at a meeting of Britain’s most venerable institution, the Royal Society. Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona State University, will suggest tomorrow that the search for extra-terrestrial life should be focused right under our noses. His audience will include representatives from Nasa, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs, while Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society and Astronomer Royal, will also lead one of the sessions. Addressing the meeting to mark the 50th anniversary of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) programme — a quest that has fallen far short of its objectives — Professor Davies will argue that demonstrating that life has appeared more than once on Earth would be the best evidence yet that it must exist elsewhere in the Universe. Related Links Oops, that was a bad call, Earth Bill Bryson on the giants of the Royal Society He told The Times: “We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some sort of customised message and take a new approach.” According to Professor Davies, “weird” microbes that belong to a completely separate tree of life, dubbed the “shadow biosphere”, could be present in isolated ecological niches in which ordinary life struggles to survive. Likely hiding places include deserts, scalding volcanic vents, the dry valleys of Antartica or salt-saturated lakes. One team, led by Felisa WolfeSimon, of the US Geological Survey, is investigating the possibility that places that are heavily contaminated with arsenic, such as the Mono Lake in California, might support forms of life that use arsenic in the same way that other life forms use phosphorus. Not all are convinced by the “shadow biosphere” concept. Colin Pillinger, who led the Beagle 2 Mars landing mission, said: “I prefer to deal in scientific fact — this is wildly science fiction. You’d be off your trolley to go searching for arsenic-based life.” Professor Pillinger, who is due to speak at the Royal Society today, argues that Mars remains the best bet for finding alien organisms. The conference will also address the social implications of the search for alien life. Albert Harrison, from the University of California, Davis, will discuss how human beings might respond to the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence. “It is easy to imagine scenarios resulting in widespread psychological disintegration and social chaos,” he said. “But historical prototypes, reactions to false alarms and survey results suggest that the predominant response to the discovery of a microwave transmission from light years away is likely to be equanimity, perhaps even delight.” 另一篇: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/britains-royal-society-for-meets-to-discuss-the-possiblity-t14996.html Post subject: Britains Royal Society for meets to discuss the possiblityPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:56 pm Initiate Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:09 pm Posts: 140 Promote this topic! More info Britains most well respected institution, the Royal Society (UK national academy of science) meets this week to discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life on earth. The Royal society is historically a key venue for scientific debate and gradual acceptance of controversial ideas into the scientific community. (So its big news that the ET topic is being seriously discussed there) For example their historic debates with Charles Darwin and the eventual acceptance into science of his theory of natural selection .. So does this upcoming debate on the ET topic indicate an increased path towards scientific acceptance of the topic? As science expands its knowledge of the universe, the probability of earth like planets out there increases every year and thus the chance of intelligent life existing in space is at a point where it must be taken seriously by scientists. Infact Governments and institutions worldwide like the Vatican have woken up to this reality and this is the reason for all the recent meetings and discussions on the topic over the last few years. Most people in the Ufo community accept that such efforts via official channels worldwide are a combined attempt to prepare humanity for immanent ET disclosure in the coming years. Here's an extract from the recent article: This week a two-day conference is being held at the Royal Society in London, titled, 'The detection of extraterrestrial life and the consequences for science and society.' Professor Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona University will tell a meeting at the Royal Society that the best way of proving that extra-terrestrial life exists elsewhere in the universe is to use evidence from earth. The meeting at the Royal Society, which will include representatives from Nasa, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer space Affairs marks the 5th anniversary of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) programme. Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society will also lead one of the sessions . Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some sort of customised message and take a new approach." "I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms that we can't conceive. "And there could, of course, be forms of intelligence beyond human capacity, beyond as much as we are beyond a chimpanzee," he added. Another scientist warned: "We might like to assume that if there is intelligent life out there it is wise and benevolent, but of course we have no evidence for this. "Given the consequences of contact may not be what we initially hoped for, then we need governments and the UN to get involved in any discussions The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some sort of customised message and take a new approach Photo: GETTY Professor Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona University will tell a meeting at the Royal Society that the best way of proving that extra-terrestrial life exists elsewhere in the universe is to use evidence from earth. The meeting at the Royal Society, which will include representatives from Nasa, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer space Affairs marks the 5th anniversary of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) programme. Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society will also lead one of the sessions. Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some sort of customised message and take a new approach." He suggested that the search could focus on deserts, volcanic vents, salt-saturated lakes and the dry valleys of Antarctica - places where ordinary life struggles to survive - to find "weird" microbes that belong to a "shadow biosphere". Felissa Wolfe-Simon, from the US Geological Survey, is currently looking at the possibility that arsenic, found in contaminated places such as the Mono Lake in California, might support forms of life in the same way as other life forms use phosphorous. However, Professor Colin Pillinger, who led the Beagle 2 Mars landing mission remains sceptical. He said: "I prefer to deal in scientific fact - this is wildly science fiction. You'd be off your trolley to go searching for arsenic-based life." Prof Pillinger argues that Mars is the most likely place to find alien life. The conference will also discuss how humans might respond to the discovery of extra-terrestrial intelligence. Albert Harrison, the from University of California, said: "It is easy to imagine scenarios resulting in widespread psychological disintegration and social chaos. but historical prototypes, reactions to false alarms and survey results suggest that the predominant response to the discover of a microwave transmission from light years away is likely to be equanimity, perhaps even delight." -- 議論好勝,亦是今時學者大病。今學者於道,如管中窺天,少有所見,即自足自是,傲然 居之不疑。與人言論,不待其辭之終而已先懷輕忽非笑之意,訑訑之聲音顏色,拒人於千 里之外。不知有道者從旁視之,方為之疏息汗顏,若無所容;而彼悍然不顧,略無省覺, 斯亦可哀也已!近時同輩中往往亦有是病者,相見時可出此以警勵之。 ~~(明)王守仁 --



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1F:→ uoiea:其實他們討論的外星生命有兩種,一種是外星智能生物,一種是 02/12 19:21
2F:→ uoiea:外星微生物。 02/12 19:21
※ 編輯: uoiea 來自: 218.170.110.187 (02/12 19:31)
3F:→ uoiea:顯然有科學認為有在地球上找到外星微生物或智能生命的可能 02/12 19:32
4F:推 nia:為何文組的明明看不懂, 卻喜歡過度解釋科學性的陳述呢 XD 02/12 22:12
5F:推 nia:原文文意完全不是新聞寫的那樣耶 XDXDXD 02/12 22:19
6F:→ nia:建議你可以讀讀一些關於演化的科普書,以及過去美國浪費不少錢 02/12 22:21
7F:→ nia:發射人類訊息到宇宙的歷史,如果你邏輯清楚,應該能了解那些科 02/12 22:22
8F:→ nia:學家的講的重點到底是什麼 XD 02/12 22:22
9F:→ uoiea:樓上:1.我不曉得你所謂科學性陳述是什麼。2.nownews自稱轉 02/12 23:25
10F:→ uoiea:述BBC所言,而非times,也不是另一篇。所以這兩篇英文文稿非 02/12 23:26
11F:→ uoiea:我所貼之新聞之原文。3.也許各媒體對於會議中各家發言各有偏 02/12 23:27
12F:→ uoiea:重,所以不能用某家是否引用某言論來證明該言論是否存在 02/12 23:28
13F:推 nia:我的意思是,英文稿還算忠實,中文新聞根本是豪洨. 02/12 23:44
14F:→ nia:我敢說哪個算忠實,是因為所學領域有觸及之. 02/12 23:45
15F:→ nia:我不知為何你會那麼相信中文新聞的內容,幻想成必定有啥機密存 02/12 23:46
16F:→ uoiea:我不確定中文稿是不是豪洨,你說是,又知道這兩篇英文稿比較 02/12 23:47
17F:→ nia:在.英文內容談的根本都是演化生物學中well known的事,只是要付 02/12 23:47
18F:→ uoiea:忠實,可見您一定讀過會議全部紀錄了。可否分享? 02/12 23:47
19F:→ nia:諸實行那些研究罷了.同時那幾個學家故意調侃以前NASA花大錢輸 02/12 23:48
20F:→ uoiea:「機密」是你說的,請回去看我有沒有用過這樣的詞。我論文參 02/12 23:49
21F:→ uoiea:考文獻用了一堆你們不知道的資料,你會說那是機密? 02/12 23:49
22F:→ nia:送人類訊息到宇宙深處,包括建無線電波塔台以及發射太空船向某 02/12 23:50
23F:推 dalzane:假設會議中真的討論了什麼不為人知的機密 新聞卻沒寫出來 02/12 23:51
24F:→ dalzane:那除非是受威脅 不然這記者可以去自殺了 02/12 23:51
25F:→ nia:星座.他們不過在跟政府說,財政吃緊,請花錢花在刀口上. 02/12 23:51
26F:→ dalzane:再說一次 史學文獻與外星人是差很多的 02/12 23:52
27F:→ nia:還有,科學界跟你們文組生態不同.如果真的是一個熱門的 前端的 02/12 23:52
28F:→ uoiea:D大,惡意扭曲真是筆戰利器啊。你回去看我有沒使用機密二字 02/12 23:52
29F:→ nia:同時是嚴謹的研究,必然會登在國際知名期刊,讓全球相關領域的人 02/12 23:53
30F:→ nia:閱讀. 02/12 23:53
31F:→ dalzane:這裡機密指的是你所謂不為人知的那耶資訊 你不是文組的..? 02/12 23:54
32F:→ nia:"也許他們掌握什麼我們都不知道的資料?"<-這句話在科學界來看 02/12 23:54
33F:→ uoiea:樓上,你看不懂我的比喻。如果你認為「不為人知」=「機密」 02/12 23:55
34F:→ nia:等同於機密,而非文史學上的"冷僻".因為嚴謹而前端的研究會被 02/12 23:55
35F:→ nia:馬上發表. 02/12 23:56
36F:→ uoiea:那我用的那些「不為人知」的參考資料也是「機密」了。 02/12 23:56
37F:推 dalzane:"宣稱外星人實際存在"的新聞的"不為人知的證據" 02/12 23:56
38F:→ uoiea:n大,我等你分享會議記錄,怎不拿出來? 02/12 23:58
39F:→ nia:只有在跟其他研究室完諜對諜 想搶先發表都有在做的研究 怕被 02/12 23:58
40F:→ nia:對方竊走點子或是讓對方鬆懈 才比較會有隱瞞研究進度 研究結果 02/12 23:58
41F:→ nia:不公開的狀況. 02/12 23:58
42F:推 nia:歐, 你要付多少錢給我? 02/13 00:03







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