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标题Re: [新闻] 科学家称外星人早入侵地球
时间Fri Feb 12 19:15:21 2010
这是时代杂志的报导
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7000795.ece
From The Times January 25, 2010
Royal Society meet to discuss if extra-terrestrials are here on Earth
皇家学会开会讨论「如果外星生命就在地球」
Mono Lake, California: 'home to arsenic-loving beings'
Hannah Devlin
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It is the classic sci-fi scenario: discovering aliens, not in outer space,
but right here on Earth, sitting next to you in the workplace, serving food
in your local restaurant, or, scariest of all, in your own home.
The premise might sound like the film Men in Black, but this week it will
consume the great minds of science at a meeting of Britain’s most venerable
institution, the Royal Society.
Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona State University, will suggest tomorrow
that the search for extra-terrestrial life should be focused right under our
noses. His audience will include representatives from Nasa, the European
Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs, while Lord Rees,
President of the Royal Society and Astronomer Royal, will also lead one of
the sessions.
Addressing the meeting to mark the 50th anniversary of the Search for
Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) programme — a quest that has fallen
far short of its objectives — Professor Davies will argue that demonstrating
that life has appeared more than once on Earth would be the best evidence yet
that it must exist elsewhere in the Universe.
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He told The Times: “We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some
sort of customised message and take a new approach.”
According to Professor Davies, “weird” microbes that belong to a completely
separate tree of life, dubbed the “shadow biosphere”, could be present in
isolated ecological niches in which ordinary life struggles to survive.
Likely hiding places include deserts, scalding volcanic vents, the dry
valleys of Antartica or salt-saturated lakes.
One team, led by Felisa WolfeSimon, of the US Geological Survey, is
investigating the possibility that places that are heavily contaminated with
arsenic, such as the Mono Lake in California, might support forms of life
that use arsenic in the same way that other life forms use phosphorus.
Not all are convinced by the “shadow biosphere” concept. Colin Pillinger,
who led the Beagle 2 Mars landing mission, said: “I prefer to deal in
scientific fact — this is wildly science fiction. You’d be off your trolley
to go searching for arsenic-based life.”
Professor Pillinger, who is due to speak at the Royal Society today, argues
that Mars remains the best bet for finding alien organisms.
The conference will also address the social implications of the search for
alien life. Albert Harrison, from the University of California, Davis, will
discuss how human beings might respond to the discovery of extraterrestrial
intelligence.
“It is easy to imagine scenarios resulting in widespread psychological
disintegration and social chaos,” he said. “But historical prototypes,
reactions to false alarms and survey results suggest that the predominant
response to the discovery of a microwave transmission from light years away
is likely to be equanimity, perhaps even delight.”
另一篇:
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/britains-royal-society-for-meets-to-discuss-the-possiblity-t14996.html
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possiblityPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:56 pm
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More info Britains most well respected institution, the Royal Society (UK
national academy of science) meets this week to discuss the possibility of
extraterrestrial life on earth. The Royal society is historically a key venue
for scientific debate and gradual acceptance of controversial ideas into the
scientific community. (So its big news that the ET topic is being seriously
discussed there)
For example their historic debates with Charles Darwin and the eventual
acceptance into science of his theory of natural selection .. So does this
upcoming debate on the ET topic indicate an increased path towards scientific
acceptance of the topic?
As science expands its knowledge of the universe, the probability of earth
like planets out there increases every year and thus the chance of
intelligent life existing in space is at a point where it must be taken
seriously by scientists.
Infact Governments and institutions worldwide like the Vatican have woken up
to this reality and this is the reason for all the recent meetings and
discussions on the topic over the last few years. Most people in the Ufo
community accept that such efforts via official channels worldwide are a
combined attempt to prepare humanity for immanent ET disclosure in the coming
years.
Here's an extract from the recent article:
This week a two-day conference is being held at the Royal Society in London,
titled, 'The detection of extraterrestrial life and the consequences for
science and society.'
Professor Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona University will tell a meeting
at the Royal Society that the best way of proving that extra-terrestrial life
exists elsewhere in the universe is to use evidence from earth.
The meeting at the Royal Society, which will include representatives from
Nasa, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer space Affairs
marks the 5th anniversary of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
(SETI) programme. Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society will also lead
one of the sessions
.
Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some
sort of customised message and take a new approach."
"I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms that we
can't conceive.
"And there could, of course, be forms of intelligence beyond human capacity,
beyond as much as we are beyond a chimpanzee," he added.
Another scientist warned: "We might like to assume that if there is
intelligent life out there it is wise and benevolent, but of course we have
no evidence for this.
"Given the consequences of contact may not be what we initially hoped for,
then we need governments and the UN to get involved in any discussions
The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some
sort of customised message and take a new approach Photo: GETTY
Professor Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona University will tell a meeting
at the Royal Society that the best way of proving that extra-terrestrial life
exists elsewhere in the universe is to use evidence from earth.
The meeting at the Royal Society, which will include representatives from
Nasa, the European Space Agency and the UN Office for Outer space Affairs
marks the 5th anniversary of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
(SETI) programme. Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society will also lead
one of the sessions.
Prof Davies said: We need to give up the notion that ET is sending us some
sort of customised message and take a new approach."
He suggested that the search could focus on deserts, volcanic vents,
salt-saturated lakes and the dry valleys of Antarctica - places where
ordinary life struggles to survive - to find "weird" microbes that belong to
a "shadow biosphere".
Felissa Wolfe-Simon, from the US Geological Survey, is currently looking at
the possibility that arsenic, found in contaminated places such as the Mono
Lake in California, might support forms of life in the same way as other life
forms use phosphorous.
However, Professor Colin Pillinger, who led the Beagle 2 Mars landing mission
remains sceptical. He said: "I prefer to deal in scientific fact - this is
wildly science fiction. You'd be off your trolley to go searching for
arsenic-based life."
Prof Pillinger argues that Mars is the most likely place to find alien life.
The conference will also discuss how humans might respond to the discovery of
extra-terrestrial intelligence.
Albert Harrison, the from University of California, said: "It is easy to
imagine scenarios resulting in widespread psychological disintegration and
social chaos. but historical prototypes, reactions to false alarms and survey
results suggest that the predominant response to the discover of a microwave
transmission from light years away is likely to be equanimity, perhaps even
delight."
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居之不疑。与人言论,不待其辞之终而已先怀轻忽非笑之意,訑訑之声音颜色,拒人於千
里之外。不知有道者从旁视之,方为之疏息汗颜,若无所容;而彼悍然不顾,略无省觉,
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1F:→ uoiea:其实他们讨论的外星生命有两种,一种是外星智能生物,一种是 02/12 19:21
2F:→ uoiea:外星微生物。 02/12 19:21
※ 编辑: uoiea 来自: 218.170.110.187 (02/12 19:31)
3F:→ uoiea:显然有科学认为有在地球上找到外星微生物或智能生命的可能 02/12 19:32
4F:推 nia:为何文组的明明看不懂, 却喜欢过度解释科学性的陈述呢 XD 02/12 22:12
5F:推 nia:原文文意完全不是新闻写的那样耶 XDXDXD 02/12 22:19
6F:→ nia:建议你可以读读一些关於演化的科普书,以及过去美国浪费不少钱 02/12 22:21
7F:→ nia:发射人类讯息到宇宙的历史,如果你逻辑清楚,应该能了解那些科 02/12 22:22
8F:→ nia:学家的讲的重点到底是什麽 XD 02/12 22:22
9F:→ uoiea:楼上:1.我不晓得你所谓科学性陈述是什麽。2.nownews自称转 02/12 23:25
10F:→ uoiea:述BBC所言,而非times,也不是另一篇。所以这两篇英文文稿非 02/12 23:26
11F:→ uoiea:我所贴之新闻之原文。3.也许各媒体对於会议中各家发言各有偏 02/12 23:27
12F:→ uoiea:重,所以不能用某家是否引用某言论来证明该言论是否存在 02/12 23:28
13F:推 nia:我的意思是,英文稿还算忠实,中文新闻根本是豪洨. 02/12 23:44
14F:→ nia:我敢说哪个算忠实,是因为所学领域有触及之. 02/12 23:45
15F:→ nia:我不知为何你会那麽相信中文新闻的内容,幻想成必定有啥机密存 02/12 23:46
16F:→ uoiea:我不确定中文稿是不是豪洨,你说是,又知道这两篇英文稿比较 02/12 23:47
17F:→ nia:在.英文内容谈的根本都是演化生物学中well known的事,只是要付 02/12 23:47
18F:→ uoiea:忠实,可见您一定读过会议全部纪录了。可否分享? 02/12 23:47
19F:→ nia:诸实行那些研究罢了.同时那几个学家故意调侃以前NASA花大钱输 02/12 23:48
20F:→ uoiea:「机密」是你说的,请回去看我有没有用过这样的词。我论文参 02/12 23:49
21F:→ uoiea:考文献用了一堆你们不知道的资料,你会说那是机密? 02/12 23:49
22F:→ nia:送人类讯息到宇宙深处,包括建无线电波塔台以及发射太空船向某 02/12 23:50
23F:推 dalzane:假设会议中真的讨论了什麽不为人知的机密 新闻却没写出来 02/12 23:51
24F:→ dalzane:那除非是受威胁 不然这记者可以去自杀了 02/12 23:51
25F:→ nia:星座.他们不过在跟政府说,财政吃紧,请花钱花在刀口上. 02/12 23:51
26F:→ dalzane:再说一次 史学文献与外星人是差很多的 02/12 23:52
27F:→ nia:还有,科学界跟你们文组生态不同.如果真的是一个热门的 前端的 02/12 23:52
28F:→ uoiea:D大,恶意扭曲真是笔战利器啊。你回去看我有没使用机密二字 02/12 23:52
29F:→ nia:同时是严谨的研究,必然会登在国际知名期刊,让全球相关领域的人 02/12 23:53
30F:→ nia:阅读. 02/12 23:53
31F:→ dalzane:这里机密指的是你所谓不为人知的那耶资讯 你不是文组的..? 02/12 23:54
32F:→ nia:"也许他们掌握什麽我们都不知道的资料?"<-这句话在科学界来看 02/12 23:54
33F:→ uoiea:楼上,你看不懂我的比喻。如果你认为「不为人知」=「机密」 02/12 23:55
34F:→ nia:等同於机密,而非文史学上的"冷僻".因为严谨而前端的研究会被 02/12 23:55
35F:→ nia:马上发表. 02/12 23:56
36F:→ uoiea:那我用的那些「不为人知」的参考资料也是「机密」了。 02/12 23:56
37F:推 dalzane:"宣称外星人实际存在"的新闻的"不为人知的证据" 02/12 23:56
38F:→ uoiea:n大,我等你分享会议记录,怎不拿出来? 02/12 23:58
39F:→ nia:只有在跟其他研究室完谍对谍 想抢先发表都有在做的研究 怕被 02/12 23:58
40F:→ nia:对方窃走点子或是让对方松懈 才比较会有隐瞒研究进度 研究结果 02/12 23:58
41F:→ nia:不公开的状况. 02/12 23:58
42F:推 nia:欧, 你要付多少钱给我? 02/13 00:03