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蛮特别的是红袜打者好像不太买帐Driveline https://reurl.cc/Z2lNKV Under Bloom and Breslow, however, the philosophy shifted. With a greater emphasi s on metrics, roster flexibility, depth and matchups, the organization moved tow ard a more measured, process-driven approach, one that also coincided with a red uced appetite for spending. 在Bloom与Breslow的领导下,球队的理念出现转变,更加重视数据、名单灵活性、深度与对 战策略,组织逐渐走向更审慎、以流程为导向的运作方式,同时也伴随着支出意愿的降低 That left Cora frustrated, sometimes using his phrase "the roster is the roster" during press conferences to signal his dissatisfaction. 这让 Alex Cora 感到挫折,他有时在记者会上用「名单就是名单」这句话来表达自己的不 满 Instead of relying on established stars at set positions, Cora was tasked with m aximizing the entire roster, one he felt at times was either too young, lacked t alent or both. 不同於依赖固定位置上的成熟球星,Cora被要求最大化整体名单的价值,而他有时认为这套 阵容过於年轻、缺乏天赋,或两者兼具 Consider the last couple of years, for example. 以过去几年为例 The front office was bullish on former Red Sox infielder David Hamilton during h is time with the club, believing his speed, defensive versatility, overall athle ticism and underlying metrics made him a clear asset. 红袜管理层在David Hamilton效力红袜期间对他评价相当正面,认为他的速度、防守多功能 性、整体运动能力以及进阶数据,都让他成为明确的资产 Perhaps even more so than Story, a former All-Star in the latter stages of his c areer. 甚至在某种程度上,他们对他的看好程度可能还超过生涯後期的前全明星球员 Trevor Stor y But some on the coaching staff viewed Hamilton as a flawed player, one with tool s but lacking feel for the game. Internally, there was a belief he could develop into an everyday player, though questions remained about whether that would hap pen in Boston. 但教练团中有些人认为Hamilton是一名有缺陷的球员,虽然具备工具,但缺乏比赛感觉,内 部普遍认为他有机会成长为日常先发球员,但是否能在波士顿实现仍存疑 The front office, though still confident in Hamilton, traded him to the Brewers during the offseason. When he returned this month and played well against the Re d Sox, the front office again began questioning the coaching staff's development al process with younger players. 尽管管理层仍对Hamilton有信心,球队在休赛季还是将他交易至酿酒人,本月他回来对战红 袜并表现出色後,管理层再次开始质疑教练团在培养年轻球员方面的流程 "Why do a lot of players go to other places and get better?" one source said of the questions being asked. "Why do other guys come here and get worse?" 「为什麽很多球员去了其他地方後会变得更好?」一位消息人士谈到内部提出的疑问时表示 「为什麽有些球员来到这里反而变差?」 From the front office perspective, the program lacked structure and was not cond ucive to consistent player development. 从管理层的角度来看,整个培养体系缺乏结构,无法有效促进球员稳定成长 That, however, was disputed by others familiar with the situation, who pointed t o the development of Romy Gonzalez, Rob Refsnyder and Jarren Duran, among others . 不过熟悉内情的其他人士对此说法提出反驳,并指出Romy Gonzalez、Rob Refsnyder以及Ja rren Duran等人的成长案例 "We've gotten the most out of guys," the person said. "Players leave here and ge t paid." 「我们已经把球员的潜力发挥到最大」该人士表示 「球员离开这里之後还能拿到大合约」 After nearly being out of the league entering 2022, Refsnyder signed a one-year, $6.25 million deal with Seattle for 2026. 在2022年球季开始前几乎无球可打的 Rob Refsnyder,如今已与西雅图签下2026年一年625 万美元的合约 A growing disconnect 逐渐扩大的分歧 The disconnect on the field circles back to Story. 场上的分歧问题,最终又回到 Trevor Story身上 There were those in the organization who believed Story was past his prime and n o longer capable of being an everyday impact player. 球团内部有些人认为Story已过巅峰期,不再具备成为每日先发、具影响力球员的能力 Even in a 2025 season in which Story started slow but finished with 25 home runs and 96 RBIs, the front office was not fully convinced, pointing to underlying m etrics that suggested the production was not sustainable. 即使在2025球季,Story开季低迷但最终缴出25轰、96分打点的成绩,管理层仍未完全信服 ,并指出其进阶数据显示这样的产出难以持续 Alex Cora initially used Trevor Story in the No. 2 spot in the lineup this seaso n. Getty Images 本季一开始,Alex Cora 将Trevor Story安排在打线第二棒 This year, when Cora moved Story into the two-hole, the decision raised question s internally. 今年当Cora将Story排在第二棒时,这个决定在球团内部引发了质疑 His struggles, though, eventually led to Cora dropping him in the order. 然而他的低潮表现,最终让Cora将他往後段棒次调整 "I still think he's an everyday player," one source said. But some in the organi zation disagreed with that evaluation. 「我仍然认为他是每天都该上场的球员」一位消息人士表示,但球团内部也有人不同意这样 的评价 Bad start in Beantown 波士顿开季低迷 https://i.imgur.com/WSJLwuz.jpeg The Red Sox have adopted elements of the Driveline methodology in both their pit ching and hitting programs, hiring its founder, Kyle Boddy, to a special adviser role. 红袜在投打两端都引入了Driveline的训练理念,并聘请创办人Kyle Boddy担任特别顾问 Pitching coach Andrew Bailey, a close friend of Breslow's, is heavily involved i n that approach, emphasizing data-driven concepts and throwing hard in the strik e zone. 投手教练 Andrew Bailey(与Breslow关系密切)深度参与这套体系,强调以数据为导向, 以及在好球带内强力投球 But the hitting approach was met with some pause, given the roster construction. John Soteropulos was promoted to Red Sox hitting coach after Cora's firing. His background is rooted in Driveline. 但考量到现有阵容结构,打击端的策略则引发了一些疑虑,John Soteropulos在Cora被解职 後升任打击教练,其背景同样来自Driveline体系 Breslow and Driveline emphasize pulling the ball in the air, but some in the org anization questioned whether that approach fit the current group of hitters. Breslow与Driveline强调将球拉打并打向空中,但球团内部有人质疑这样的打法是否适合目 前这批打者 "If we're telling the truth, a lot of the [young guys] don't buy into any of tha t shit," one person familiar with the situation said 「老实说很多年轻球员其实并不买帐这一套」一位知情人士表示 Inexperience within the coaching staff was also cited as a concern. While Drivel ine's impact is growing across the sport, some questioned whether the experience level of those implementing it aligned with the demands of major-league roles. 教练团经验不足也被视为一大隐忧,尽管Driveline在整个棒球界的影响力持续扩大,但有 人质疑实际执行这套体系的人,是否具备符合大联盟要求的经验 The fallout between Cora and the organization had been building for some time, a nd the slow start only magnified the disconnect and accelerated the decision. Cora与球团之间的裂痕其实已累积一段时间,而开季低迷只是放大了这种分歧,并加速了最 终决定的到来 "I think Craig's back is against the wall," said one source. "If he's going to g o down, he's going to go down his way. That's what this is all about." 「我认为Craig已经被逼到墙角了」一位消息人士表示 「如果他要倒下,也会用自己的方式倒下,这就是整件事的核心」 The players, though, are left to pick up the pieces, still trying to process wha t happened. 然而球员们只能收拾残局,仍在试图消化发生的一切。 "I had five guys text me, 'what's the game plan today?'" said one former staff m ember. 「有五个球员传讯息问我:『今天的比赛计画是什麽?』」一名前教练团成员说 Breslow and his group will now have to provide it 而现在,这个答案将由Breslow与他的团队来给出 --



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※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/Baseball/M.1777301758.A.A13.html zxc906383:转录至看板 MLB 04/27 22:56
1F:推 ccl007: 有责无权 有权无责 04/27 22:59
2F:→ ccl007: A-Rod跟99还有一堆强打者比较建议不追求仰角 最近安可那发 04/27 23:01
3F:→ ccl007: 就很标准全垒打是安打的延伸 主要你看各个强打教学共通点 04/27 23:02
4F:→ ccl007: 要求确实击打球 (YT好几个 算是最共通的 仰角就...嗯) 04/27 23:03
5F:推 crayon1988: 都飞球革命了还有不追求仰角的?LA Sweet-Spot%列爽的? 04/27 23:11
6F:推 tylerdurdenn: 红袜问题比想像中大多了 总管先炒掉啦 04/27 23:11
7F:→ crayon1988: 红袜打者你不吃Driveline没关系 问题是团队进攻排27 04/27 23:12
8F:→ crayon1988: 怎麽看都是制服组/教练/球员沟通都有问题吧 04/27 23:12
9F:→ tylerdurdenn: 红袜近几年的交易看起来都不怎样 04/27 23:13
10F:推 ccl007: 有文章也有提到质疑 丢掉木屐这块基石 结果论来看4>1 04/27 23:15
11F:推 gn00324893: 就传统保守派斗输了而已 没跟上趋势就是战力被拉开 04/27 23:16
12F:推 maruka: Roman Anthony击球数据是很强 但是都在地上滚 不知道是不 04/27 23:16
13F:→ maruka: 是被要求拉打飞球 才让状态不好 04/27 23:16
14F:推 ct13579: 所谓飞球革命那套也一直都有检讨的声音,先不用当做神来 04/27 23:18
15F:→ ct13579: 信奉 04/27 23:18
16F:推 frankie5566: 请问什麽是driveline? 04/27 23:19
17F:推 ccl007: 美国私人棒球训练机构之一 目前最大宗 他们家的加重球 04/27 23:20
18F:推 mookiesfan: 利多 04/27 23:21
19F:推 frankie5566: 谢谢cc大 04/27 23:21
20F:→ ccl007: 如果有慢垒要速成打击三个月内要比赛的 我都推荐练打那个 04/27 23:21
21F:推 jocabyu: 我以为在版上知道driveline是什麽已经是常识XD 04/27 23:24
22F:推 hijodedios36: 仰角还是很重要 比都往地上打还好 04/27 23:26
23F:推 JohnLackey: 连球都打不到 教练革命 04/27 23:29
24F:推 jorgesoler: 什麽年代了还在纯粹追求仰角,球路辨识能力不佳,挥 04/27 23:31
25F:→ jorgesoler: 棒延伸力道不足,往上捞就变成打到球上缘鸟滚一堆, 04/27 23:31
26F:→ jorgesoler: 或者被变化球骗到一堆挥空。 04/27 23:31
27F:→ jorgesoler: 洗碗伯 塔克老师 都挥棒轨迹哪里有刻意捞往天上打 04/27 23:31
28F:推 culturesky: 这队怎麽每隔几年就会有这麽多故事,Netflix不考虑拍 04/27 23:32
29F:→ culturesky: 个好几季吗 04/27 23:32
30F:推 MK47: 希望内斗凶一点 有人被送走 把机会给郑 能升上来(会不会想 04/27 23:34
31F:→ MK47: 的太美好)XDDD 04/27 23:34
32F:→ MK47: 他们谁斗输我都觉得ok 只要不可调和就好XDD 04/27 23:34
33F:→ tylerdurdenn: 只能说仰角或飞球革命不一定适合每位选手 像大谷就 04/27 23:35
34F:→ tylerdurdenn: 很适合 raw power够 仰角拉起来形成长打机率自然就 04/27 23:35
35F:→ tylerdurdenn: 高 04/27 23:35
36F:→ tylerdurdenn: 其实前两年红袜打击还行 今年整个崩盘 04/27 23:36
37F:→ i4303348: 看起来跟什麽训练无关,管理层跟教练团在内斗 04/27 23:37
38F:推 ChienEric: 呃 DriveLine并不是一昧追求仰角,也不是一昧鼓励拉打 04/27 23:37
39F:→ ChienEric: 好吗… 04/27 23:37
40F:推 ricky9696: netflix一定觉得可惜了,早知道就多拍个几季,每年都 04/27 23:40
41F:→ ricky9696: 可以制造抓马 04/27 23:40
42F:推 Toy17: 好奇NF後来还有再跟拍吗 04/27 23:40
43F:→ darvish072: 不然找3J回来带球队好了,喝啤酒吃炸鸡打电动,爽爽 04/27 23:40
44F:→ darvish072: 过文化,起码话题性十足,战绩什麽的就不管了 04/27 23:40
45F:→ ccl007: 天道红袜 红袜释迦 红袜人生 寇拉与DriveLine 04/27 23:41
46F:推 xxKWANxx: 把宗哲升上去吧 04/27 23:44
47F:推 AhCheng: 宗哲要看现任教练给不给,而且他下放权剩一次+红袜左倾问 04/27 23:46
48F:→ AhCheng: 题 他要竞争的是IKF,最快的方法就是季中直接当包裹卖了 04/27 23:46
49F:推 tylerdurdenn: 没啦前年出了纪录片已经结束了 看不出个所以然 2004 04/27 23:46
50F:→ tylerdurdenn: 逆转好看多了 04/27 23:46
51F:推 hakk: 这球队真是有趣 04/27 23:47
52F:→ tylerdurdenn: 前年也是不知道在打什麽 04/27 23:47
53F:→ AhCheng: 拿Hamilton做举例也不对啊,今年在酒人成绩也不怎样 前一 04/27 23:48
54F:→ AhCheng: 个爱将刀背B在日职,两个都Cora爱将 都很没说服力 04/27 23:48
55F:推 suwagutao: 楼上说的是Delbec吗 04/27 23:53
56F:推 Arodz: 先打准打强吧‼ 04/27 23:54
57F:推 Neo0611: 还是一句战绩不够抓马来凑 04/28 00:03
58F:推 amos30627: Driveline那套还是有人在质疑 毕竟执行的教练不见得经 04/28 00:21
59F:→ amos30627: 验够 04/28 00:21
60F:→ amos30627: 红袜看起来是一团糟比梅子还烂 难怪Cora先下课 04/28 00:22
61F:推 BosRedsucks: 呵 04/28 00:26
62F:→ tylerdurdenn: Dalbec超鸟 也是给一堆机会的大物 04/28 00:27
63F:→ tylerdurdenn: 记得他首安就开轰 不过後来就变电风扇 04/28 00:28
64F:推 jocabyu: 我记得driveline是替不同人量身打造科学分析数据欸….因 04/28 00:29
65F:→ jocabyu: 此不代表都是要人追求仰角什麽的 04/28 00:29
66F:→ eellee: 仰角当然重要问题是你有办法维持初速吗 04/28 00:38
67F:→ eellee: 没有确实击中球又或者是挥不到球那有角度也没用啊 04/28 00:39
68F:→ eellee: 最好当然是确实击中+仰角但如果没有办法的话 04/28 00:40
69F:→ eellee: 那谁更重要仰角呢 还是确实击中球呢 04/28 00:41
70F:推 jom217: 洋基去年季後赛不就这个问题,大家都只想捞~结果怎样 04/28 00:42
71F:推 ct13579: 没确实优化击球,就是一堆不营养飞球 04/28 00:58
72F:推 wade860708: driveline照理来说是因人而异 客制化去制定每个球员 04/28 01:08
73F:→ wade860708: 的打击模型 但大方向一定是确实击球 仰角拉高 飞球革 04/28 01:08
74F:→ wade860708: 命 目前大联盟多数球队也是这个方向 04/28 01:08
75F:→ wade860708: 用数据打造球队 也是新世代球队的建立方针 但这个真 04/28 01:12
76F:→ wade860708: 的蛮创新 要有配合的教练跟球员 也不是这麽简单 04/28 01:12
77F:推 marx93521: 先确实击球再追求仰角,连确实击球都办不好其他不用说 04/28 01:14
78F:→ marx93521: 了 04/28 01:14
79F:推 redsucksndie: 飞球革命X教练革命O 04/28 01:46
80F:推 zip00000: 看到飞球革命我只会想到一堆阿德球... 04/28 02:38
81F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 魔球不就已经用数据打造球队了,driveline哪适合干 04/28 02:40
82F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 这事?那系统只适合用来训练和改善球员个人吧!且这 04/28 02:40
83F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 种身体数据,感觉的搭配很重要,教练没有实操经验要 04/28 02:40
84F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 如何给出“实际”的建议?道奇的投手一下向学长学曲 04/28 02:40
85F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 球快慢速搭配一下向另一学长学强化指叉球,这些等dr 04/28 02:40
86F:→ Iamtitlehgm: iveline告知再改善是要投多少比赛後? 04/28 02:40
87F:推 abc12812: 红袜这几年不是养出一堆顶级新秀? 04/28 03:04
88F:推 abc12812: 魔球只有用数据选球员 没说用数据改造球员吧 04/28 03:07
89F:→ abc12812: 而且魔球好像还觉得选球啥的是天生能力很难後天改造 04/28 03:08
90F:→ JustinIdiot: Driveline如果这麽废 哪那麽多球员花大钱去给他们修 04/28 04:45
91F:推 Joby: 结局还是赢球治百病 没赢球哪里都是病 到哪个国家都是 04/28 04:58
92F:推 Yjizz: 球员的能力成长或是转队後的状况是另外的事情 04/28 05:27
93F:→ Yjizz: 能确认的就是制服组和教练团有明显分歧 04/28 05:28
94F:→ Yjizz: 说不定制服组中也有不同派系 04/28 05:28
95F:推 mlbnflnbanhl: 球队内斗就是看老板挺谁啦 其他的只是藉口跟说书的 04/28 05:39
96F:→ mlbnflnbanhl: 材料 04/28 05:39
97F:推 abc12812: 席林之前专访也骂driveline还呛他们根本没打过球 04/28 06:52
98F:→ abc12812: 刚好席琳也很想当教练 红袜可以考虑请席琳来带投手群 04/28 06:53
99F:推 polanco: 楼上很坏馁 04/28 06:56
100F:推 sunnyyoung: 不是创办人就一定最会欸 魔术方块的创造者也没法十秒 04/28 07:32
101F:→ sunnyyoung: 复原 好体系也要适合的人来带 04/28 07:32
102F:推 Yjizz: 人现在都制服组找来的 至少之後没藉口了XD 04/28 07:44
103F:→ Yjizz: 统一管理跟教练层 朝同一方向前进 04/28 07:45
104F:→ GABA: 仰角会被鹰眼纪录 数据基本分析参数之一 04/28 07:47
105F:推 yeeNeko: 纪录片没拍这边好可惜 04/28 07:50
106F:推 kano2525: 网飞真的挑错年份来拍红袜了 04/28 08:55
107F:嘘 jocabyu: 席林那种老害发言听听笑笑就好,拿个几次WS自以为屌上天 04/28 08:58
108F:推 rick770423: 只追仰角不重视确实击球打出来的不就是大王的80分飞 04/28 10:02
109F:→ rick770423: 球XDD 04/28 10:02
110F:→ rick770423: 看起来飞的很高很猛实际上一点杀伤力都没有 04/28 10:03
111F:推 SlamKai: 一波连胜 04/28 10:44
112F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 87楼该不会觉得选球员不是打造球队,改造球员才是打 04/28 11:16
113F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 造球队吧?不直接选好的球员而天天去改造球员是打算 04/28 11:16
114F:→ Iamtitlehgm: 赢得比赛还是卖球员赚钱? 04/28 11:16
115F:推 c251970: 可惜Netflix 没有继续拍,这几年感觉红袜内部真的乱@@ 04/28 11:26
116F:推 cool41723: 但道奇不是教柯敬贤要把仰角打出来 04/28 12:25







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