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标题[规则] 推翻苏丹 FAQ
时间Thu Nov 7 23:05:43 2013
因为有些问题一直搁在心里很不好受,
於是问了一下作者,没想到超快回覆。
就在这里贴一下,也许你们也有类似疑问...
1.
Players "may not" switch with a player who switched with them on their
previous turn.
If a-b-c-d-e-f-g play this game and it's E's turn, then
What does the "previous turn" mean?
1) D's turn
2) the last turn that E's card has been switched.
for example A switched with E and ,
B switched with E and, C switched with E,
E may not switch with C now.
Which one is correct?
A:
It means that you can't switch with a player whose most recent action was to
switch with you.
In your example, you have the rule correctly: E may not switch with C, but he
may switch with anyone else (including A and . But if it goes around the
table one more time and now C does something else (like peeking at a card),
on E's next turn he can now switch with C.
Essentially, you can't reverse a switch until everyone around the table has
had one more turn.
(不能与最近一次与你交换角色牌的玩家,交换其角色牌)
2.
Would the detained state will be gone because of guard's death?
A:
No, the player is still in jail until their next turn.
(拘禁卡不会因守卫死亡而消失)
3.
If everyone is known, except the Vizier,
Could the Vizier choose the team to support without forcing another player?
A:
Yes. Same thing with the Fortune Teller if there aren't any hidden cards for
her to peek at. Even though the first part of their action fails because they
don't have a valid target, the other part still happens.
(若其他所有角色公开,大官翻开後可只选择阵营。占卜师亦同。)
4.
Could a detained slave be captured by the slave driver?
A:
yes. The Slave Driver can capture a detained Slave; in this case, the Slave
is both Captured and Detained until his next turn, after which he will only
be Captured. (So if the Slave Driver captures a Slave and is then immediately
killed by an Assassin, the Slave is still Detained).
(一个奴隶可同时被监禁及捕捉)
补一下bgg里的faq
Q: What happens to the status card/token when you switch with a Detained or
Captured player?
A: You cannot switch with a Detained or Captured player.
你不可以和被拘禁或被捕捉的玩家交换身份。
Q: Can the Vizier force a Detained or Captured player to use their action?
A: No.
大官不能强迫被拘禁或被捕捉的玩家执行行动。
Q: Can you kill a Detained or Captured player?
A: Yes.
你可以杀掉被拘禁或被捕捉的玩家。
Q: Can the Slave Driver capture a Slave (or attempt to hunt a hidden
character) who has been Detained by a Guard?
A: Yes. The two effects are cumulative (so the Slave will still be Detained
even if the Slave Driver is assassinated before the Slave's turn), but the
Detained card/token will be removed the next time the Slave would ordinarily
get a turn, even though his turn is skipped due to being Captured.
奴隶贩子可以捕捉已被守卫拘禁的奴隶,即使被捕捉的奴隶轮到他时无法行动,但仍可去
掉拘禁卡。
Q: If an Assassin attempts to kill a Guard sitting next to him, can the Guard
use his reaction to defend himself and kill the Assassin instead?
A: No, Guards can protect other Guards, but can never protect themselves,
even if they happen to be sitting next to the Assassin.
守卫不能保护自己,杀手可以成功杀掉坐在他旁边的守卫,除非杀手或守卫的旁边还有另
一位守卫。
Q: If someone attempts to switch with the Sultan, can he reveal himself by
taking the throne as a reaction, in order to prevent the switch?
A: No, a switch is considered to have been made as soon as it's announced, so
the former Sultan is no longer in possession of that card. (But if the other
player was still thinking about maybe switching, but hadn't made up his mind
yet, then the Sultan could reveal himself, of course.)
苏丹必须在其他玩家做动作之前或做完之後,才可以打开身份牌加冕。
Q: Is it legal to "peek at no one" if all players' cards are already face up?
A: Yes, in the unlikely event that all characters are known but the round
hasn't ended, peeking at no one is legal, and equivalent to passing. This is
particularly important for the Vizier, as if all players' cards are face up,
he has no legal action target and would be forced to hide if not allowed to
pass.
轮到你时可以pass。
Q: What happens if only two Slaves are left alive, the Guards are all dead,
and the Sultan is the spare? No one will swap with the Sultan card and the
round will never end.
A: If all players have their cards revealed and there are no living Loyalists
or Loyalist-aligned Neutrals, then the round is a Rebel victory and all the
surviving players score 2 points. If there are still players with their cards
hidden, then continue playing until everyone either reveals themselves or is
Assassinated.
所有角色牌都打开,且场上都是革命军,中立角色也没有支持保皇军时(苏丹位於正中央)
此时红军立即获胜。
Q: Is "The Belly Dancer"'s action:"Dance" need to be use to activate or it
is still active even if dancer player choose peek action?
A: The dancer is always dancing as long as she is known. So once she's
already face up, she can peek and still be dancing.
肚皮舞娘一旦翻开後就会持续跳舞的状态直到盖回为止,且翻开期间不会占用往後回合的
行动。
再补充...
因为很冗长所以我直接说结论,
想看原文的请自行看到最後,
懒的看就看中文部分就行了。
1. 如果A跟E换、B跟A换、C跟B换、D跟C换,
此时D的手上是E先前拿到的牌,
那麽E是否可以跟D交换,
拿回自己原本的牌?
可以。因为最近一次和E交换的人是A,
所以除了A之外,E可以跟任何一个人交换手牌。
2. 奴隶贩子捕捉隐藏奴隶成功之後,
是否可以捕捉公开奴隶?
可以,因为成功捕捉隐藏奴隶之後可获得额外的回合,
所以可以捕捉公开奴隶或调查别人身份等等的行动。
3. 被拘禁或被捕捉的奴隶,
是否可以回应其他奴隶的登高一呼?
不可以。被拘禁或被捕捉的角色无法行动或回应。
4. 大官强迫隐藏的苏丹执行能力时,
加冕卡要放在大官面前还是下一位玩家面前?
大官面前。
1. Swap Rule Problem again...
If A swap with E
B swap with A
C swap with B
D swap with C
now, D has the E's initial card...
Could E swap with D?
Yes. The same card can come back to the same player within one orbit of the
table, you just can't swap with the same person who swapped with you.
2. Could the slave driver capture an opened slave
after capturing a hidden slave?
Yes, but that ends his turn. When he successfully captures a hidden slave, he
gets another turn; he can then hunt or capture or peek, as he likes. He could
even go into hiding, though it would have to be an unusual situation for you
to want to hunt a Slave and then immediately go into hiding and release him.
3. Could the detained or captured slave take the reaction
to join an uprising started by another slave?
For example,
A(a hidden slave)
B(a detained and hidden slave)
C(a detained and hidden slave)
A start an uprising and B, C take the reaction,
B and C displace the detained card in their turns and win.
Is that OK?
No, you can't take any action or reaction while detained.
4. Where we should put the 'Coronation Card' when the Vizier reveals the
Sultan? Right before the Vizier or the next player after the Vizier?
(We think the answer is the former)
The Coronation card goes with the Vizier (or "right before" as you say), i.e.
the Loyalists will win if the Sultan is still revealed and alive at the
BEGINNING of the Vizier's next turn (before the Vizier can act again).
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1F:推 fpboy0070314:推热心 11/07 23:43
2F:推 shibala743:大推 有很多都是我误解的观念 11/08 09:18
3F:→ shibala743:不过针对第一点还是有些小疑惑 作者这样的设计应该是希 11/08 09:19
4F:→ shibala743:不要有让人白做工的动作(卡片又被换回去) 11/08 09:19
5F:→ shibala743:但是如果现在是A换C、B换A、C又换A的话 其实是有意义的 11/08 09:20
6F:→ shibala743:但这种游戏 如果规则要细到包含上述情况的话 好像也不 11/08 09:21
7F:→ shibala743:太妥当就是 11/08 09:21
8F:→ puzzlez:那可以再向作者确认这部分 他答好快0.0 11/08 20:27
已补充。
A换C、B换A、C又换A 是不行的。
※ 编辑: puzzlez 来自: 180.176.74.222 (12/08 09:22)
9F:推 shone0431:请问在自己主动回合是否可以只公开身分而不使用行动? 12/12 21:45
10F:→ puzzlez:我问问看 应该是不行.... 12/18 23:30
11F:推 e1q3z9c7: 细节真是多如牛毛 01/04 12:16
12F:推 xpx34: 推,找到答案... 01/17 22:15