作者weitingyeh (地震过大狗都出来散步了)
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标题Re: [外电] Wang-o-Rama: All Hail the King?
时间Wed Sep 5 17:01:19 2007
※ 引述《findme ()》之铭言:
: 说说我的看法好了
: http://eastwindupchronicle.com/?p=45
: Wang Chien-Ming is the king of Taiwan.
: Wang, whose name literally means ‘king’ in Chinese, is Taiwan’s most
: revered and loved celebrity. The New York Yankees’ #1 starter is the first
: Taiwanese celebrity to achieve widespread international recognition (with the
: possible exception of filmmaker Ang Li, Madame Chiang Kai Shek and
: actress/Penthouse centerfold Hsu Chi), and a source of national pride every
: time he takes the hill for the storied New York Yankees
: And what’s not to love about a player that has emerged as the ace of the
: world’s most successful baseball franchise, finished second in the AL Cy
: Young voting to Johan Santana in 2006, starts charities to benefit
: underprivileged kids in his free time, and has even had the courage to
: boycott the bloodthirsty and reckless Taiwanese media since moving to New
: York?
: Owing to his unusually composed demeanor, seemingly incorruptible personality
: on an island notorious for political corruption, and celebrity cache (that
: gives Taiwan the rare occasion to stick it China as the mainland siphons off
: its jobs and challenges its statehood), Wang takes center stage on a daily
: basis on the TV and in the papers. As a result, without a costly mlb.com
: package, baseball fans on the island have to get used to the following order
: of priorities: Wang Chien Ming first, The Yankees second, and baseball third.
: Wang fever in Taiwan can reach absurd levels. ESPN in Taiwan re-runs every
: game he pitches in 4 or 5 times in a week, while remaining Yankee games
: broadcast two to three times a day while the vast majority of MLB games go
: untelevised. For fans on the island interested in the bigger picture of the
: game, pennant races, or teams outside of the AL East, it can get vexing
: watching the Taiwanese media lavish more attention on a single start from
: Wang (or Wang having a conversation with Ron Guidry in the dugout) than it
: does on, say, Barry Bonds breaking the all-time home run record. Save for the
: occasional Red Sox game featuring Matsuzaka, or a even rarer Dodgers game
: where Hong Chih Kuo invariably gets lit up, Yankees games are by and large
: the only exposure fans get to MLB.
: One can well imagine the stunned silence, general confusion, and silent
: facial contortions of protest (as well as nasty emails) I get from Taiwanese
: baseball fans when I make the following outrageous claims: Wang at this stage
: of his career makes a very good #2 pitcher for a successful rotation but has
: not yet developed the qualities of a true staff ace, the jury is still out on
: his long term value, and the oft-cheerleading media and fans have jumped the
: gun a bit by placing Wang in the top tier of starting pitchers in MLB. I also
: get jeers when I suggest that fans in Taiwan, due 24/7 exposure in the media,
: conflate Wang’s historical and cultural importance with his actual talents
: on the field. Wang’s demeanor, high winning percentage, and league-best
: sinker certainly give him the potential to be mentioned in the same breath
: with Webb, Sabathia, and Johan, but he’s not there. Not y
: Naysayer! Cynic! Playa Hater! (being pelted with stinky tofu)
: First off, a fair assessment of Wang’s ability has to point to stats beyond
: his W-L record. Wang’s win totals are highly inflated due to an inordinate
: amount of run support—nearly 7 runs per game (6.8)—and excellent defensive
: support (The Yankee defense behind Wang, didn’t allow an unearned run in 47
: consecutive innings, the longest such streak for a Yankee pitcher since the
: Elias Sports Bureau began tracking the stat in 1913). Every time Wang takes
: the hill the Yanks spot him 7 runs and never make any errors. This is a
: recipe for putting up a lot of wins regardless of who is on the mound
: Or, to quote a Seattle Mariners scout in Taiwan who tried to sign Wang before
: he ended up on the Yankees, “take Wang off the Yankees and put him on a
: weak-hitting team, and he’s a .500 pitcher”.
: Wang has other attributes that suggest that some of the fawning over his
: performance thus far might not be warranted yet. This year, left-handed
: hitters are hitting .283 against him. Since the All-Star break this year,
: Wang the king has put up a respectable 7-2 record, but has an average E.R.A.
: (4.50) and hitters are opposing hitters are hitting .296. Due to his high
: ground ball percentage, a lot of these runs get cancelled out in double
: plays, but putting that many runners on base could be a recipe for trouble
: come playoff time.
:
: In fact, Wang’s stats this year are eerily similar to those put up by Greg
: Maddux at age 41, whom most statisticians and fans would describe as having a
: decent but unspectacular season in the twilight of his career. Maddux is
: regarded as the Padres #3 starter, certainly not their ace at this point.
: While it might not be the only factor in the equation, the extra 2 runs per
: game Wang receives in run support from the Bronx Bomber offense surely plays
: a big part in the 6 game difference in the win column:
: Wang 166.1IP, 16 wins, 6 losses, 3.79 ERA, 86 K’s, 45BB’s, 1.27 WHIP
: Maddux 168.2IP, 10 wins, 9 losses, 3.79 ERA, 89 K’s, 21BB’s, 1.20 WHIP
:
That’s not to say Wang doesn’t have the capability to be a true ace, in
: fact, he’s nearly there. With the league’s best sinker that Yankees
: pitching coach Ron Guidry compares to trying to hit a shot put, and a 96 MPH
: heater, there’s no denying the talent is in place. He’s young, he’s
: already won a ton of games, and has room to grow. But he’s not all the way
: there yet, and often times this gets lost in the shuffle as the Taiwanese
: media clamors to put up yet another full-page spread singing his pra
: __________________
: More important than these statistical comparisons, the Taiwanese media,
: notorious for fabricating news stories and desperate to sensationalize
: anything they can in order to gain ratings–more than the unassuming Wang
: himself– can be blamed for the premature overhyping of the man of the hour.
: In Wang you have a highly marketable, good looking, reputable celebrity that’
: s tailor made to sell papers and merchandise.
: But in the end, Taiwanese baseball fans, who might care more about the game
: itself with exposure to different teams, lose out in the end due to the
: disproportionate amount of airtime lavished upon Wang at this early stage in
: his career. They almost never get to see NL teams. They don’t get to see
: Pujols, Santana, Hanley, or even Bonds. This deprives them of the joy of
: seeing all the game’s stars, the thrill of pennant races, the ability to
: view baseball from a more objective perspective, and the perspective to see
: Wang within the greater overall context of the game.
: Because of Wang’s success in pinstripes, Taiwanese fans have almost without
: exception embraced the Yankees as their favorite team. From an overall
: standpoint, if what matters to Taiwanese fans is that Wang has put Taiwan on
: the map and given them something to cheer for after a long day at the
: factory, that’s great.
1.李安同意但拿蒋宋美龄和舒淇出来比喻,就明白此blog作者根本不了解确实的台湾
文化,在台湾有谁平常会讨论这两个名字的,说不定作者随便google了一下,读了
几本过时的书,找几个名字就举例了。
2.台湾的政治腐败,你知,我知,全部乡民也知道。但是轮不到你来评论,尤其在一
篇讨论体育运动的文章当中。当然你的blog标题既然有讨论政治,要就发表个所以
然的文章,而不是在这篇里面嘴炮一两句。
3.台湾不是美国,干麻那麽关心MLB,作者根本没想过在王之前,MLB在台湾到底有多
少人看。ESPN是公益单位麽? 你上班的公司总要平衡收益,做出对公司有利的决定
吧。来转播红人对海盗的比赛在台湾是会有多少人看呢? 自己国家转播自己国家球
员的比赛本来就很平常的事情,日本不是也是这样麽? 你blog不是说讨论西太平洋
岛国的文化麽? 怎麽不去评论一下日本? 东方的文化你真的了解麽?再来假如你人在
纽约州,想看场教士对洛矶的比赛,你知道有多难麽? 那我可以评论你说:"你一点
都不关心peavy的近况麽?"
4.台湾媒体过份报导和神话的事情,这大家也都知道,我也同意。但是作者似乎不完全
了解台湾的文化。毕竟媒体所报导的新闻,不是只有我们这种每天关心的人在看,或
许我也觉得太自夸太过头了,但是在台湾,许多民国4.50年代出生的台湾人,大多数
是我们的长辈,棒球从小看到大。现在每天辛苦工作回家後,有好的比赛看,又有小
王可以看,回家之後难得有点事做,反正他们不关心MLB,而这些夸大的新闻,他们
看了满足高兴,媒体反而帮了大忙。你做儿子女儿的忍心去戳破这些麽?
5.小王现阶段的比赛成绩是ace还是ass, 什麽对左打的,什麽whip的,好坏利弊大家
都讨论到烂掉了,作者写出来是撑版面还是有心吐嘈我就不予置评。
6.From an overall
: standpoint, if what matters to Taiwanese fans is that Wang has put Taiwan on
: the map and given them something to cheer for after a long day at the
: factory, that’s great.
这段我怎麽看都像一个大美国主义的人在酸台湾,虽然台湾许多人政党倾向不同,不过
我想都是爱这块土地的,你不喜欢的话,那麽爱讲,我也不欢迎你来 请滚出去。
7.最後我一直认为台湾是棒球第一的国家,只是政府,联盟和球团 没有好好经营和支持
而已。
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1F:推 Nilthoron:他只是没有别队的比赛看不爽乱放炮而已 不要理他啦 09/05 17:02
2F:推 redsnipertd:在台湾身为别队球迷很心酸的 在自己blog靠北而已 09/05 17:04
3F:推 pdaer:他这麽强怎麽不买个mlb.tv好像也没几毛钱 09/05 17:04
4F:推 OdomLamar:典型的以为美国人看世界 自大的狭隘 09/05 17:04
5F:→ redsnipertd:不是什麽专家 大家看看就好吧 09/05 17:04
6F:→ redsnipertd:他也不过是个教英文的~ 09/05 17:04
7F:→ Nilthoron:台湾怎麽样 甘你歪果人屁事 09/05 17:05
8F:推 sgorangeroad:其实那位老外是我的英文老师(我还没把全文看完囧a) 09/05 17:05
9F:推 hshk:说真的我在洛杉矶1个月有些球队根本看都没看到 09/05 17:06
10F:→ hshk:要不是跟地方球队打or全美联播 根本看不到 09/05 17:07
11F:推 sxxs: 帅 台湾怎麽样 甘你歪果人屁事 09/05 17:07
12F:推 kinkiway:跟美国的乡民认真你就输了 09/05 17:09
13F:推 ykd:原美国作者把自己残脑仅知的台湾酸一下写篇文章而已 别太在意 09/05 17:11
14F:推 DK2s:GJ 09/05 17:19
15F:→ webberhan:人人都有打嘴炮的自由 09/05 17:22
16F:→ euphorism:中肯 09/05 17:27
17F:推 littlegiant:不过说真的 对一个真正喜欢棒球的人而言 每天播洋基 09/05 17:47
18F:→ littlegiant:的比赛的确剥夺了看其他队伍的机会 过去王还没上MLB的 09/05 17:47
19F:→ littlegiant:时候 可以看到很多队伍的比赛 也可以看到更多好选手 09/05 17:48
20F:→ littlegiant:这的确是一种损失 09/05 17:50
21F:→ xex999:确实 以前espn 会播mlb其他队的比赛 现在老是洋基 09/05 17:52
22F:推 magichour:第一段原作者列出的是美国人认知的台湾相关有名人士 09/05 18:33
23F:→ magichour:也就是提到台湾大部份美国人会想到的人名 09/05 18:34
24F:→ magichour:而肯定李安 不肯定蒋和舒 是原po以台湾人的身分所做的 09/05 18:34
25F:→ magichour:判别 我想应该无法将一个台湾人的认知套在美国人身上 09/05 18:36
26F:推 Annrod:其实外国人的素质也有好坏之分 09/05 19:36
27F:推 YiHam123:没办法ESPN还是要以广告收益为主 09/05 19:40
28F:推 Waleela:中肯 09/05 21:24
29F:推 azureScorpio:我只能说这一系列的回文都比原文偏颇许多 09/05 21:45
30F:推 handelshieh:推第四段,这股棒球热并不是只有年轻人看而己。 09/05 21:53
31F:→ handelshieh:楼下早餐店老板看了看王建民後,提及当年他东园少棒 09/05 21:54
32F:→ handelshieh:打输红叶少棒。聊到王建民,我还根本不知道有这回事。 09/05 21:55
33F:推 maxisam:推 ! 09/05 23:26