作者FatBearInn (FBI胖熊旅店)
看板CMWang
标题Re: [外电] Wang-o-Rama: All Hail the King?
时间Wed Sep 5 22:49:42 2007
虽然慢了点,不过要战得漂亮、战得痛快,总是前後文一目了然比较方便
所以我就把它翻出来了 请指教
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http://eastwindupchronicle.com/?p=45
Wang Chien-Ming is the king of Taiwan.
王建民是台湾之王
Wang, whose name literally means ‘king’ in Chinese, is Taiwan’s most
revered and loved celebrity. The New York Yankees’ #1 starter is the first
Taiwanese celebrity to achieve widespread international recognition (with the
possible exception of filmmaker Ang Li, Madame Chiang Kai Shek and
actress/Penthouse centerfold Hsu Chi), and a source of national pride every
time he takes the hill for the storied New York Yankees.
王,这个姓氏在中文字面上的意义就是「王」(king)。王建民是台湾人最爱的名人。这名
纽约洋基队的一号先发投手是第一个广泛获得国际认同的台湾名人(也许有几个例外,如
李安、蒋夫人、舒淇)。每次他出赛时,他都是国家的骄傲。
And what’s not to love about a player that has emerged as the ace of the
world’s most successful baseball franchise, finished second in the AL Cy
Young voting to Johan Santana in 2006, starts charities to benefit
underprivileged kids in his free time, and has even had the courage to
boycott the bloodthirsty and reckless Taiwanese media since moving to New
York?
怎麽可能不爱上这麽棒的人呢?他成为世界上最成功的棒球劲旅的王牌,去年获得赛洋奖
第二名、仅次於Johan Santana, 闲暇时发起慈善活动帮助弱势儿童,甚至在搬到纽约後
仍有勇气杯葛嗜血又粗鲁的台湾媒体。
Owing to his unusually composed demeanor, seemingly incorruptible personality
on an island notorious for political corruption, and celebrity cache (that
gives Taiwan the rare occasion to stick it China as the mainland siphons off
its jobs and challenges its statehood), Wang takes center stage on a daily
basis on the TV and in the papers. As a result, without a costly mlb.com
package, baseball fans on the island have to get used to the following order
of priorities: Wang Chien Ming first, The Yankees second, and baseball third.
由於他不寻常的君子风度、似乎完美无瑕的人格,在台湾这座以政治贪污与公众人物的丑
闻(这给了台湾一个与不断吸取其工作机会甚至动摇其国本的中国大陆并驾齐驱的罕见机
会)而恶名昭彰的岛上,王建民每天都出现在电视与报纸的主要版面。而没有订购昂贵的
mlb.com 的台湾球迷就必须要适应这种优先顺序:王建民第一、洋基第二、棒球第三。
Wang fever in Taiwan can reach absurd levels. ESPN in Taiwan re-runs every
game he pitches in 4 or 5 times in a week, while remaining Yankee games
broadcast two to three times a day while the vast majority of MLB games go
untelevised. For fans on the island interested in the bigger picture of the
game, pennant races, or teams outside of the AL East, it can get vexing
watching the Taiwanese media lavish more attention on a single start from
Wang (or Wang having a conversation with Ron Guidry in the dugout) than it
does on, say, Barry Bonds breaking the all-time home run record. Save for the
occasional Red Sox game featuring Matsuzaka, or a even rarer Dodgers game
where Hong Chih Kuo invariably gets lit up, Yankees games are by and large
the only exposure fans get to MLB.
台湾的王建民热已经达到荒谬的程度了。这里的ESPN每周重播王建民的出赛四到五次,同
时每天放送洋基的比赛两三次,而其余大部分的大联盟比赛根本不见踪影。台湾的棒球迷
如果关心更广一些的主题,如分区王座之争、或美联东区以外的球队,他们会非常头痛,
因为他们看到台湾媒体挥霍大量的资源在王建民的单一出赛、甚至他和Ron Guidry在休息
区讲了什麽话中,却不关心他们关心的事情,如Barry Bonds所追逐的全垒打记录。台湾
媒体省去了偶尔才一次的松坂大辅的出赛、甚至省去了更少见的郭泓志总是上场放火的
出赛,却让球迷基本上暴露於全洋基的环境中。
One can well imagine the stunned silence, general confusion, and silent
facial contortions of protest (as well as nasty emails) I get from Taiwanese
baseball fans when I make the following outrageous claims: Wang at this stage
of his career makes a very good #2 pitcher for a successful rotation but has
not yet developed the qualities of a true staff ace, the jury is still out on
his long term value, and the oft-cheerleading media and fans have jumped the
gun a bit by placing Wang in the top tier of starting pitchers in MLB. I also
get jeers when I suggest that fans in Taiwan, due 24/7 exposure in the media,
conflate Wang’s historical and cultural importance with his actual talents
on the field. Wang’s demeanor, high winning percentage, and league-best
sinker certainly give him the potential to be mentioned in the same breath
with Webb, Sabathia, and Johan, but he’s not there. Not yet.
你可以想像这个画面:因震惊而沈默、普遍的困惑、颜面扭曲所表达的无言抗议,以及下
流的电子邮件;这是我提到以下犯众怒的意见时从台湾棒球迷获得的反应。我认为王建民
现阶段在一个健全的先发轮值中会是个很好的二号先发投手、但还没有开发出货真价实的
王牌所需要的实力。他的长期价值还有待观察,而总是担任王建民啦啦队的媒体与球迷在
宣称他已经是全大联盟最顶尖先发选手这件事上稍微抢拍了些。当我说台湾人因为受媒
体二十四小时的资讯轰炸的影响而将王建民的历史文化地位与球场上的实际表现混为一
谈时,也饱受奚落。王建民的风度、高胜率及傲视大联盟的沈球或许让他有潜力跟Webb,
Sabathia, Johan相提并论,但他现在还不是这种货色。
Naysayer! Cynic! Playa Hater! (being pelted with stinky tofu)
专门唱反调!犬儒!见不得人好!(被臭豆腐砸中)
First off, a fair assessment of Wang’s ability has to point to stats beyond
his W-L record. Wang’s win totals are highly inflated due to an inordinate
amount of run support—nearly 7 runs per game (6.8)—and excellent defensive
support (The Yankee defense behind Wang, didn’t allow an unearned run in 47
consecutive innings, the longest such streak for a Yankee pitcher since the
Elias Sports Bureau began tracking the stat in 1913). Every time Wang takes
the hill the Yanks spot him 7 runs and never make any errors. This is a
recipe for putting up a lot of wins regardless of who is on the mound.
首先,若要公正地评价王建民,不能只看胜场--败场纪录。王建民的胜场数被放大了,因
为不寻常的大量得分支援(一场6.8分)及完美的防守支援(王建民连续47局未出现非自
责分,这是Elias Sports Bureau从1913年开始计算这项数据以来洋基球员中的新高)
。每次他走上投手丘,队友就奉送七分以及零失误—这是一份能让人鲸吞胜场数的食谱
,不管投球的是谁。
Or, to quote a Seattle Mariners scout in Taiwan who tried to sign Wang before
he ended up on the Yankees, “take Wang off the Yankees and put him on a
weak-hitting team, and he’s a .500 pitcher”.
或者我们引用一句曾企图签下王建民的西雅图水手队的球探所说的话:把他放到一个鸟打
队,他的胜率会只剩下50%。
Wang has other attributes that suggest that some of the fawning over his
performance thus far might not be warranted yet. This year, left-handed
hitters are hitting .283 against him. Since the All-Star break this year,
Wang the king has put up a respectable 7-2 record, but has an average E.R.A.
(4.50) and hitters are opposing hitters are hitting .296. Due to his high
ground ball percentage, a lot of these runs get cancelled out in double
plays, but putting that many runners on base could be a recipe for trouble
come playoff time.
王建民还有其他的因素让我们推断,有些对他目前为止表现的溢美并不是理所当然的。今
年左打者对他的打击率是.283。全明星赛後,虽然王建民有可观的七胜二负战绩,但他的
ERA是4.5,只有平均值,且打者对他的打击率是.296。他的高滚球率能制造双杀而少失很
多分;但把这麽多跑者放上垒包在季後赛时会造成大麻烦,
In fact, Wang’s stats this year are eerily similar to those put up by Greg
Maddux at age 41, whom most statisticians and fans would describe as having a
decent but unspectacular season in the twilight of his career. Maddux is
regarded as the Padres #3 starter, certainly not their ace at this point.
While it might not be the only factor in the equation, the extra 2 runs per
game Wang receives in run support from the Bronx Bomber offense surely plays
a big part in the 6 game difference in the win column:
事实上,王建民本季的数据非常相似於Greg Maddux本季以41岁高龄投出的成绩,而多数
统计学者和球迷都同意这是他生涯尾端的稳定但并不特别出色的一季。Maddux在教士队中
是三号投手,很明显不是他们的王牌。虽然可能有其他因素的影响,但炮火连天的洋基打
者们给王建民的火力支援当然在他与Maddux的六场胜场差距中扮演要角。
Wang 166.1IP, 16 wins, 6 losses, 3.79 ERA, 86 K’s, 45BB’s, 1.27 WHIP
Maddux 168.2IP, 10 wins, 9 losses, 3.79 ERA, 89 K’s, 21BB’s, 1.20 WHIP
(数据简称就不翻了)
That’s not to say Wang doesn’t have the capability to be a true ace, in
fact, he’s nearly there. With the league’s best sinker that Yankees
pitching coach Ron Guidry compares to trying to hit a shot put, and a 96 MPH
heater, there’s no denying the talent is in place. He’s young, he’s
already won a ton of games, and has room to grow. But he’s not all the way
there yet, and often times this gets lost in the shuffle as the Taiwanese
media clamors to put up yet another full-page spread singing his praises.
这不是说王建民没有担当王牌的能力;事实上,他已经快要是了。他拥有洋基投教Ron
Guidry比拟为「好像让打者去打铅球」的全联盟最好的沈球,还有96英哩的速球,我们必
须承认他的天分是够的。他还年轻,他已经赢了成打的比赛,并还有成长的空间;但他现
在还没达到那种境界。每当台湾媒体喧闹着铺陈出另一个全版新闻来歌颂王建民的伟大时
,这点总是隐没在一阵混乱之中。
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More important than these statistical comparisons, the Taiwanese media,
notorious for fabricating news stories and desperate to sensationalize
anything they can in order to gain ratings–more than the unassuming Wang
himself– can be blamed for the premature overhyping of the man of the hour.
In Wang you have a highly marketable, good looking, reputable celebrity that’
s tailor made to sell papers and merchandise.
比这些数据更重要的是,因新闻造假、唯恐天下不乱来争取阅听率而恶名昭彰的台湾媒体
,应该要为过於仓促又过度兴奋地吹捧王建民而受谴责。毕竟在他们眼中,王建民只是一
个具有高度市场价值、帅气、声誉卓着的金鸡母,是为他们的销售量和广告主所量身订造
的。
But in the end, Taiwanese baseball fans, who might care more about the game
itself with exposure to different teams, lose out in the end due to the
disproportionate amount of airtime lavished upon Wang at this early stage in
his career. They almost never get to see NL teams. They don’t get to see
Pujols, Santana, Hanley, or even Bonds. This deprives them of the joy of
seeing all the game’s stars, the thrill of pennant races, the ability to
view baseball from a more objective perspective, and the perspective to see
Wang within the greater overall context of the game.
但到头来,台湾球迷们在接触不同的队伍後,也许会更关心棒球这项运动本身,并发现自
己挹注过多关注在王建民的早期生涯到浪费的程度而若有所失。他们几乎从没有机会看看
国家联盟的队伍。他们没有机会看看Pujols, Santana, Hanley, 甚至Bonds。这剥夺了他
们观赏众多明星的乐趣,体验分区王座之战的刺激,从更客观角度审视棒球的能力,还有
从更宏观的脉络中检视王建民的观点。
Because of Wang’s success in pinstripes, Taiwanese fans have almost without
exception embraced the Yankees as their favorite team. From an overall
standpoint, if what matters to Taiwanese fans is that Wang has put Taiwan on
the map and given them something to cheer for after a long day at the
factory, that’s great.
因为王建民穿着条纹衣,台湾球迷几乎没有例外地投入洋基队的怀抱。从整体的角度而言
,如果台湾球迷所关心的就是:王建民让台湾在世界地图上更显眼、并让他们在工厂忙碌
工作一整天之後有个理由来欢呼;那麽这也许是很棒的。
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1F:→ ufo1111:先用王打台湾社会再批王不够好=>台湾人民的愚昧崇拜 09/05 22:51
2F:→ ufo1111:好奇作者背景 09/05 22:54
3F:→ hotcom:( ︶︿︶)_╭∩╮ 愚昧崇拜=/=民族英雄 09/05 22:54
4F:推 scjh123:这篇其实还蛮中肯..只是加了美式讽刺幽默才不合乡民胃口XD 09/05 22:53
5F:→ scjh123:可以看的出来作者很爱棒球.且希望台湾人也能更懂棒球乐趣 09/05 22:55
6F:推 imc:无言以对...我想讨厌洋基队吧..肯定...喜好无法更改...更~~ 09/05 22:56
7F:推 ijlinix:看了全文详翻,再看看前面的战文 XD 09/05 22:58
8F:推 kyo06:Maddux在海盗队???是翻错还是我的误解??? 09/05 23:00
9F:推 FatBearInn:我也刚刚发现...是翻错...马上改 09/05 23:01
※ 编辑: FatBearInn 来自: 125.226.33.241 (09/05 23:02)
10F:→ FatBearInn:盖到一个推文,sorry 09/05 23:02
11F:→ Gullit:现在挑起乡民怒火了...一切都来不及了~~ 09/05 23:02
12F:→ Gullit:18186的作者加注的感想文毁了这篇优文~~ 我的推文被盖到 09/05 23:03
13F:推 wjc:老实说看完完整翻译後,的确有点火大了.....XDDDDDD 09/05 23:04
14F:推 findme:推 09/05 23:04
15F:推 tobeensi:这跟那篇感觉有许多差距阿 = = 09/05 23:05
16F:→ painkiller:嗯 不过是一篇普通的blog 干嘛反应这麽大 09/05 23:07
17F:推 findme:这大概要花一点时间才能翻成这样,偶自删好了哈哈 09/05 23:08
18F:推 Gullit:楼上的 来不及拉~~ 至少留个全屍给人比对为啥大家会反应大 09/05 23:10
19F:推 sausagecool:18194篇超帅的阿 09/05 23:10
20F:推 liyen:比较赞同本版17645篇的分析 队友高得分对主要是影响小王逃败 09/05 23:10
21F:→ liyen:而且郭泓志先发台湾也都有播啊 跟小王同天还双萤幕播勒 09/05 23:12
22F:推 krara:其实这篇说得真的很中肯,而且也没有贬低王的意思,甚至看好 09/05 23:13
23F:→ krara:王的潜力。台媒的拍马屁同样也令人作恶。 09/05 23:13
24F:→ HunterD:这篇作者用RS来解释小王那段根本就是错误 还有台湾哪时 09/05 23:15
25F:→ HunterD:没播郭泓志了?? 09/05 23:16
26F:→ HunterD:队友零失误更是胡扯 连续局数未有非自责失分只能说小王 09/05 23:18
27F:推 wjc:看到王无非自责分=队友零失误这里,很想吐血...什麽鬼结论??? 09/05 23:17
28F:→ HunterD:的危机处理能力还不错 不会受到队友失误影响 哪有每次小王 09/05 23:19
29F:→ FatBearInn:又发现一个错 我改一下 09/05 23:20
※ 编辑: FatBearInn 来自: 125.226.33.241 (09/05 23:21)
30F:→ FatBearInn:又盖到一个推文...sorry 09/05 23:22
31F:→ HunterD:上来投就守备爆气的 这不就是在隐喻小王强运吗?? 09/05 23:22
32F:推 azureScorpio:推完整且用心的翻译 09/05 23:23
33F:推 usa0204got:王的确不是强运 运气比起其他防御率差不多的投手 的确 09/05 23:23
34F:→ usa0204got:比较幸运 09/05 23:24
35F:→ HunterD:如果作者说败场被缩小 也就是队友的高RS帮小王逃败这OK 09/05 23:24
36F:→ HunterD:可是说胜场被放大 这很难让人信服 09/05 23:25
37F:→ HunterD:详细请看17645篇的分析 懒的再解释了 09/05 23:29
38F:推 grass143:推翻译嘘原作者,他希望别人从他的角度看事情,却不肯试 09/05 23:29
39F:→ grass143:着从别人的角度看事情 09/05 23:31
40F:推 usa0204got:幸运了 09/05 23:33
41F:→ usa0204got:去比一下防御率比王低或差不多的QS胜场数 就知道王比较 09/05 23:33
42F:→ usa0204got:若你说王胜场ERA很低我能告诉你老卫胜场ERA也只有2.4 09/05 23:34
43F:推 Annrod:在无非自责分那边的意思解释错误,很难认为本文作者对棒球 09/05 23:37
44F:→ Annrod:真的如他自己认为的那麽专精? 不是队友不失误,而是投手 09/05 23:38
45F:→ Annrod:不受队友失误後所影响吧。ex:老克 09/05 23:40
46F:推 PHILOSOMA:推翻译…辛苦了~ 09/05 23:41
47F:→ HunterD:所以U兄想表达的是老魏很强运?? 09/05 23:42
48F:→ HunterD:只比较QS胜场 怎不比较吃的局数勒 09/05 23:51
49F:推 rainflying:讲的很中肯 而且的确点出全台疯王表象下的诡异风气 09/05 23:55
50F:→ HunterD:而且洋基今年最酷的戏码就是分数常在後半段打 09/05 23:58
51F:→ HunterD:而且让ERA爆高的投手变成赛扬级 这种情况下会好投??? 09/06 00:00
52F:推 tournamen:作者一定没啥在看王的比赛用RS来判断王每一场都因为可以 09/06 00:00
53F:→ tournamen:有七分的优势让他得到这麽多胜 再加无非自责分判断洋基ꐠ 09/06 00:02
54F:→ tournamen:守备的完美(...完美?) 基本上队友的失误是因为王有压下ꠠ 09/06 00:04
55F:→ HunterD:如果是1~6局各得一分 跟一直鸭蛋到第六局一口气拿六分 09/06 00:04
56F:→ tournamen:来而造成无非自责分 反正他只会用它狭隘的角度看台湾 09/06 00:05
57F:→ HunterD:有谁会觉得後者会比较好投呢? 更不要说肩膀冷掉的问题了 09/06 00:05
58F:→ HunterD:只抱着数据不看比赛不会比较优质 09/06 00:06
59F:推 usa0204got:我举出胜投era是跟你提的文章有关 09/06 00:07
60F:→ usa0204got:不看比赛? 其他赛杨投手候选人的比赛你看过没? 09/06 00:08
61F:→ usa0204got:至少我有再看 09/06 00:09
62F:→ usa0204got:把其他投手数据当屁? 好笑的论点 09/06 00:09
63F:→ HunterD:懒的理你 你要继续抱持着"强运王"的言论随便你 09/06 00:14
64F:→ HunterD:没有人把其他投手数据当屁 倒是你把别人的讨论文当屁 09/06 00:16
65F:→ HunterD:倒是真的 既然都不看 那何来讨论? 09/06 00:17
66F:推 WinsunChen:推翻译,至於作者,自己为中肯却充满无知的偏见 09/06 00:22
67F:推 nbaaa:水手球探 = = 自己球队打不到王的球就酸...脑残.... 09/06 00:24
68F:推 slider4520:好文 写得很中肯 09/06 00:55
69F:推 apic:中肯 应该给ESPN看看 09/06 01:13
70F:推 chantilas:写得好!翻得好!可惜国内媒体大概没兴趣,不过真的棒! 09/06 02:02
71F:推 antisch:不如把他心目中的ace抓来yans投投看是不是真的ace吧 09/06 03:02
72F:推 bsbya:别队ace转来洋基就崩盘的例子太多了 09/06 06:39
73F:→ Tzetze:除了偶尔有松坂主投的红袜比赛 还有更少见但小小郭每上必爆 09/06 08:34
74F:→ Tzetze:的道奇比赛(後略) 原文里哪有什麽精采可期? 09/06 08:38
75F:推 kc:其实满中肯的= = 09/06 09:55
76F:推 zukigo:超中肯的阿 这作者对台湾真的还蛮了解的.. 09/06 10:37
77F:→ zukigo:尤其是提到台湾棒球迷的反应那段... 09/06 10:38
78F:推 shyshy:其实真的很中肯耶...我只能说是之前的翻译害了他 09/06 10:50
79F:→ shyshy:而且外国人还能对台湾媒体这麽了解 推 09/06 10:50
80F:推 FatBearInn:Tzetze, 那段我是看着get lit up 猜意思的... 09/06 11:19
81F:→ FatBearInn:所以其实那是被爆掉的意思罗? 09/06 11:20
82F:推 gogoyamaha:中肯 09/06 11:53
83F:推 usa0204got:我说比较其他防御率低或差不多的投手较幸运 你就扯我 09/06 13:05
84F:→ usa0204got:说王是强运王 09/06 13:05
85F:→ Tzetze:get lit up确实是被爆的意思 09/06 14:55
※ dotZu:转录至看板 media-chaos 09/06 17:42
86F:推 comax:FatBearInn翻得真好,这篇论述十分客观 MLB不是只有Yankee队 09/06 17:55
87F:推 damonter:老实说很中肯 可是很多听不进去 忠言逆耳阿 09/06 18:34
88F:推 Corycat:觉得这篇主要是在暗讽台湾媒体 09/06 20:43
※ 编辑: FatBearInn 来自: 125.228.64.34 (09/06 21:03)
89F:→ FatBearInn:感恩,已修正 09/06 21:07
90F:推 bloodcells:王的确还有很大进步空间 到那时看作者会有啥评论~~ 09/06 21:50
91F:推 peepee0o0:中肯的不得了阿 他对台湾的观点很客观而且了解的很深入 09/07 02:26
※ 编辑: FatBearInn 来自: 125.228.64.34 (09/07 05:01)
92F:→ crazysinger:不中肯 哪一个投手被放到鸟打队不会胜率只剩50% ? ... 09/09 17:57