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http://www.nysun.com/article/62058?page_no=1 原文意思很明显的和自由报导完全不同 暗讽小王的意味浓厚 =_=" ------ Wins May Push Wang Closer to Cy Young 胜投数可能将王推往赛扬奖 By STEVEN GOLDMAN(September 6, 2007) Last season, Chien-Ming Wang — the Yankees' gopher-killer extraordinaire — finished second in the voting for the American League Cy Young Award. Of course, he was runner-up in the same sense that Walter Mondale was a runner-up to Ronald Reagan in 1984: Johan Santana won the award unanimously. Wang happened to pick up the few crumbs that were left over, finishing just three points ahead of Roy Halladay, who was in third place. Last year there was just one pitcher in the American League, but that's not the case this year. When Wang earned his 17th victory on Tuesday, tying him with Boston's Josh Beckett for the league lead in wins, the susurrant rumbling of " Cy Young" (not too different from that of a particularly anxious form of indigestion) whispered through the concrete canyons of the city. 上个球季,王建民--洋基眼中身手不凡的地鼠杀手,在美联赛扬奖投票中得到第二。 当然他是亚军,就像1984年Walter Mondale跟在 Ronald Reagan之後的亚军一样︰山大 王毫无疑问的囊括所有票数,王碰巧捡到少数留下的碎屑,最後以3分之差赢了第三名 的好乐迪。去年美联只有一名投手和他并驾齐驱,今年却截然不同。星期二王拿下他的 第17胜,和红袜的北极在大联盟并肩领先群雄,和「赛扬」有关的嗡嗡耳语声,在大街 小巷中蔓延开来。 It is true that a high-win total can send the voting members of the Baseball Writers' Association into paroxysms of poor judgment. Show the voters 20-plus wins, and they'll show you a puffy inning-seater like LaMarr Hoyt and tell you he's the best pitcher in baseball. Alternatively, absent that all-consuming indicator, they'll bestow a trophy on a Steve Bedrosian (1987) or a Pete Vuckovich (1982). Neither of those pitchers was among the top 10 hurlers in their league — but nobody won 20 games in those seasons. So the writers just didn't know what to do. 这是事实,高胜投总数会促使棒球记者协会的投票成员们做出粗劣的判断。秀20几场 胜投给投票者看,并且推出一位顶尖的当选者--像LaMarr Hoyt,再告诉你他是大联盟 最好的投手。另一个可能︰若缺少那个重大的指标(高胜投数),他们会把奖项送给某 位类似Steve Bedrosian (1987)或Pete Vuckovich (1982)的投手。这两人在联盟中还 排不到前十名--但在那个球季没有20胜的人选,因此那些记者就不知该如何投票。 It happens that Wang is one of the 10 most valuable pitchers in the American League this year, but his leading the league in wins doesn't have anything to do with it. At the team level, the won-lost record is obviously significant. For the individual pitcher, it says almost nothing, because it leaves out the key factor of context. A pitcher can earn a win for going five innings and allowing five runs if his team scores six. He can allow one run in nine innings and lose if his team is shut out. There are good pitchers on bad teams who don't get the support to post big victory totals. There are good pitchers on good teams who, for whatever reason, go through a whole season without getting good run support. Depending on when a manager likes to hook his starting pitchers, he might get more or fewer decisions. A "win" expresses none of these things — except that the pitcher made it through at least five innings and left the game with a lead. 正好今年王是美联10位最有价值投手之一,但他在大联盟的领先却跟那没啥太大关系。 以球队层面来看,胜败纪录显然非常重要。但单就投手而言,几乎毫无意义,因为它无 法显示出球赛的关键因素。投手可以在投五局丢五分时拿下胜投,假如他的球队有攻得 六分;也可以在投九局丢一分时吞下败投,譬如他的球队被完封。有些好投手待在差劲 的球队,他们得不到队友的打击支援,无法夺取胜利。更有些好投手待在好的球队投了 整个球季,不知何故就是得不到分数的支援。当总教练喜欢何时换下他的先发投手时, 会是让先发投手承担胜败数多或少的取决。"胜投"无法表达什麽,它只是告诉我们-- 这位投手投满了五局,并且带着领先退场。 For an extreme example of how wins can misrepresent a pitcher, look no further than Nolan Ryan during the year that Bedrosian was anointed the National League's best pitcher. Ryan led the league in both ERA and strikeouts. But because he played for the punch-less Houston Astros, he averaged about 3.4 runs of support per game and finished with a record of 8– 16. He finished a distant fifth in the voting, receiving no first place votes. 这里有个极端的例子让你知道胜投数会如何让人们屈解一位投手。最近的例子︰在 Bedrosian 被推选为国联最好投手那年的Nolan Ryan来说,Ryan的ERA和三振数都排名 联盟第一,但因他身处於贫打的太空人队,平均每场只得到3.4分的支援,总结战绩为 8胜16败。票选时他只得到第五名,第一名的选票连一张都没有。 More recently, in 2005, Bartolo Colon of the Angels picked up the Cy Young Award despite posting an unsightly 3.48 ERA, eighth-best in the league. Colon had a good year. But his won-lost record of 21–8 disguised the fact that his accomplishments were not of the same caliber as that of Santana, who went 16– 7 with a 2.87 ERA in more innings. Colon was rewarded because Angels' hitters gave him six runs of support per start, whereas Santana received only 4.7 (this in a league where the average team scored 4.8 runs per game). Thus the ultimate irony: The Cy Young Award represents offensive excellence rather than pitching excellence. 再举个近例︰2005年天使队的科隆得到赛扬奖,尽管他的ERA是难看的3.48,联盟排名 第八。科隆当年投的不错,但21胜8败的纪录隐藏了一个事实--他的成就无法与山大王 相比,山大王为16胜7败,ERA2.87且投球数局比科隆多。科隆的获奖是因为天使打者平 均每场给他六分的支援,山大王只有4.7分。讽刺的结论是︰赛扬奖代表的是卓越的打 击,而不是投手的杰出表现。 Wang has been very good this year. He's the league's second-best groundball machine after Fausto Carmona of the Indians. He's often served to pick the Yankees up after a loss, going 9–2 when following a defeat. 王今年投的非常出色,他是联盟第二好的滚地球制造机,在印地安人的Fausto Carmona 之後。他常常都在洋基输球後帮球队止败,止败後的成绩为9胜2败。 Then again, all year long his rotation spot has followed that of Kei Igawa/ Tyler Clippard/ Roger Clemens. As with so many things relating to wins, this too is a matter of context: If Wang had followed better pitchers, he wouldn't have had so many opportunities following losses. 再次的,他整年的轮值几乎都排在宅宅/克利帕/老克之後,胜投数和很多情况息息相关, 在这里也有典故在︰假如王排在好投手之後投球,他不会有这麽多机会在球队输球後担 任先发。 Wang's ERA of 3.68 ranks 13th in the league, and is tied with Justin Verlander of the Tigers (3.67) and Jeremy Guthrie of the Orioles (3.65). In strikeouts, he is approximately 140 off the lead. But a lack of strikeouts is part of Wang's charm and should not be held against him. 王的ERA3.68在美联排名13,和老虎的V少年(3.67)及金莺的Guthrie(3.65)差不多。 三振数则落後领先者约140次,但三振少是王的魅力点,不能拿此来说嘴。 Run support should be, if not held against him, then at least taken into account. There are two full time starters in the American League getting seven runs of support a game, Verlander with 7.6 runs per game, and Wang with 7.1. He has pitched well, and he has pitched within the margin of error the Yankees have given him. But when he wins his 20th game — and with as many as five starts left, he probably will win 20 — it won't be purely reflective of his skill any more than Guthrie's record of 7–5, with the same ERA, reflects anything more than the Orioles' inability to score for him. Guthrie has had 13 no-decision starts. Wang has had three. 支援分就可以(拿来做文章了),如果不能拿来反对他,起码可以列入(反对)参考。美联 有两位先发投手每场都会得到七分的支援,V少年每场7.6分王则是7.1分。他投的很好, 并且在洋基失误的最低点投球。但当他赢得20胜时--只剩五场先发,而他大概会赢得20 胜--那并不表示他的身手有哪一点比7胜5败,差不多ERA的Guthrie强,只能说金莺队没 有能力提供他支援分,Guthrie有13场无关胜败,而王只有3场。 In the final analysis, Wang's wins make an argument for him, but not as loud an argument as that for C.C. Sabathia, John Lackey, Kelvim Escobar, or Beckett, who have the wins and also beat Wang in ERA. That being said, it wouldn't be surprising to see him win the award. As we've seen, when it comes to the award's voters, a pitcher's statistical "wins" trump a superior contribution to actual wins every time. 最後分析︰王的胜投数为他带来争议,C.C. Sabathia, John Lackey, Kelvim Escobar, 或Beckett则不会有像王一样的争论,他们有胜投数且ERA比王漂亮。如同我所说的,我 不会惊讶王得赛扬奖,因为我们已经能想见,投票者在投票时,一位投手的"胜投数"往 往都会赢过有重大贡献的其他人。 Mr. Goldman is the author of "Forging Genius," a biography of Casey Stengel. ----- 简译:暗讽投票赛扬的成员们,完全是以总胜投数做出差劲的判断... 最近这种文章真多 是想事先打预防针吗? -_-" ----- 这篇翻的我情绪一直冒上来 SO 有错请指正_(_m_)_ --



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1F:推 heacoun:其实这麽多这种文章,只需要季末去捡他们的镜片就好:) 09/08 23:57
2F:推 andesite:闻到一点保护自己的味道.......不太有风度啊~~~ 09/09 00:01
3F:→ Kinra:前面有人贴过罗~ 09/09 00:02
4F:→ dogmoon:那我补翻译好了 ^^ 09/09 00:07
5F:推 okaoka0709:楼上加油 09/09 00:07
6F:推 heacoun:翻译完我再收。 09/09 00:08
7F:→ dogmoon:对不起...有修到推文 真的很抱歉*跪* 09/09 03:58
8F:推 marco76415:可是王也吃出局数阿 而且王的比赛有些是止血连败的 09/09 04:17
9F:→ marco76415:对於球队的士气提升也很重要 老是输球有个屁用阿 09/09 04:18
10F:推 nch6710:投手丘上站的人是谁 是会影响队友表现的 09/09 04:22
11F:推 agoodjob:era低又不能代表一切 大比分超前时丢分少 投手战时丢的比 09/09 04:34
12F:→ agoodjob:对手多分 这样也可以era低阿!era稍高说不定是比分超前时 09/09 04:36
13F:→ agoodjob:多丢一些分没关系 投手战时硬是撑的比对手久,这样era也 09/09 04:37
14F:→ agoodjob:虽然高 但是更有智慧阿~ 09/09 04:38
15F:→ DK2s:王建民加油站有人把留言也翻译了 精采 09/09 07:24
16F:推 scjh123:有这种文好阿...台湾球迷看太多媒体的"神化文"了... 09/09 07:38
17F:→ scjh123:有这种用其他观点来挑王缺点的文章其实也不错 09/09 07:40
18F:推 scjh123:第一段"洋基人眼中.."应该用"洋基的.."意思比较好吧@@ 09/09 07:44
19F:推 gogo5:只要连10年都拿下15胜以上,就可以叫那些人闭嘴 09/09 08:01
20F:推 micotosai:记者对自己的打针..... 09/09 08:45
21F:推 redleo:这个作者有点酸喔 小王一边练滑球一边拿胜投还能不强吗 09/09 09:13
22F:推 bce:对这种文章看看就好,好像作者自己最懂,别人都是白痴?? 09/09 09:19
23F:→ redleo:小王就像kobe待在强队就会被批评靠队友才会拿到胜利的... 09/09 09:16
24F:→ redleo:都会被说有实力~但是实力都会被打折扣 09/09 09:21
25F:推 miniko:好!!现在宣布王建民要完封才可以拿胜投,其他都不算!! 09/09 13:31
26F:推 htyy5y:换个角度想 要不是小王够突出也不会被乱咬 09/09 13:51
27F:推 innevertears:可是就是17胜 不然是要怎样 09/09 13:52
28F:推 cloudyst:赢就是赢 输就是输 最重要的是球队赢球 球队不赢 09/09 14:03
29F:→ cloudyst:就算是 Era<1 也只能得到同情 对球队一点帮助都没有 09/09 14:05
30F:推 l19: 不然是要扣几场胜投起来吗? 09/09 14:06
31F:推 bigsun0709:金手套都可以颁给失误较多的~有啥不可能 (茶) 09/09 14:20
32F:推 itangho:赛扬奖的定义是? 09/09 14:25
33F:推 perseus0724:他是想讽刺那些记者吧,对王也蛮称赞的啊..... 09/09 14:27
34F:推 itangho:Cy Young 不就是胜投王...投给最多胜的有错吗 09/09 14:29
35F:→ itangho:MLB为什麽不设胜投王奖项?? 多少跟赛扬奖有关.. 09/09 14:30
36F:推 ampgood:我讨厌这篇文章 09/09 15:49
37F:→ windsor:看不出有称赞..... 09/09 15:54
38F:→ ambrosial:支援分在此是个笑话 小王胜投时失分少 支援分是锦上添花 09/09 16:08
39F:推 skychen:季前这些嘴炮记者都预言王只能拿下14胜.现在咧? 09/09 16:09
40F:→ ambrosial:支援分是给牛棚用的 实际上小王胜投时根本不需要太多分 09/09 16:09
41F:→ ambrosial:用这个说小王胜投是靠支援分实在很不中肯 09/09 16:10
42F:推 ILuvDumpling:Goldman向来因小王跌破不少眼镜过..他是yesnetwork 09/09 16:13
43F:→ ILuvDumpling:专栏作家.. 09/09 16:14
44F:推 ambrosial:要不然统计个胜投最低必需支援分来酸也比较能接受 09/09 16:18
45F:推 Bears:其实这篇写得还不错 09/09 18:48
46F:→ Bears:虽然在王板这样说不大好 但我相信如果文中的主角由王建民改 09/09 18:48
47F:→ Bears:成其他投手 也许反对声浪就不会这麽多 09/09 18:48
48F:推 voracious:前一场洋基比完我就说了 一定後来会被一些白目球评拿出 09/09 20:01
49F:→ voracious:来说嘴 会拿出一些似是而非的数据分析 自以为赛扬不 09/09 20:02
50F:→ voracious:用看贡献度 所以洋基那场後来大爆发得分反倒是害了小王? 09/09 20:03
51F:→ voracious:说实在的 科隆那年拿赛扬没话说 他帮了天使很大的忙 09/09 20:05
52F:→ voracious:run support又怎样 看来以後投手反要祈祷队友不要打太多 09/09 20:06
53F:推 antontw:敌方常胜者,道敌将有勇无谋! 常胜投者,不见得自家好。 09/09 22:18
54F:推 rayven:推翻译!至於内容则另当别论 09/10 13:47
55F:推 euphorism:胜者为CY啊 没啥好说的 09/10 13:52
※ 编辑: dogmoon 来自: 125.232.140.12 (09/10 16:07)







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