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Bulls and Dwight: It ain’t over until you know when by Sam Smith So what if the Orlando Magic and Dwight Howard get to the March 15th trading deadline and the best trade for Orlando and the best situation for Howard is the Bulls? 魔术跟Howard到3/15交易截止日前,魔术最好的交易情况是公牛呢? And it could be. The Bulls come into Orlando Friday concerned more immediately about being 6-1 and the health of Derrick Rose, Richard Hamilton and CJ Watson, all day-to-day with various minor injuries. 公牛带着6-1的成绩礼拜五抵达奥兰多,并且Rose Rip CJ都带着一点伤势. But there's that big matzoh ball hanging out there in Howard, who has said he wants to be traded and mentioned his preferred destinations as Los Angeles, Dallas and New Jersey/Brooklyn. 虽然总是有一堆传言说Howard想去洛杉矶,达拉斯,布鲁克林. The conventional wisdom, though we know how wrong they can be whomever they are, is that once Andrew Bynum proves himself healthy the Lakers will deal him and perhaps Pau Gasol to the Magic. 一般大众的看法,先假设Andrew Bynum证明了自己的健康状况,湖人要交易他跟Gasol到魔术 Though if Bynum is healthy, it remains quite possible the Lakers will keep Bynum. After all, he’s been terrific since his return from suspension with 29 points in his first game and a 20/20 game in his third. Plus, new Lakers’ head man Jim Buss is a huge advocate of Bynum’s and is said to prefer to keep him. Plus, also losing Gasol would decimate the Lakers’ roster with Lamar Odom gone. And then if Bynum is hurt again, there’s no deal, anyway. 就算Bynum是健康的,仍然有很大的机会湖人会留住Bynum.毕竟他在禁赛解除後打得非常好. 加上,湖人新老板Jim Buss是Bynum很大的拥护者,而且他说他更喜欢留住Bynum.再加上,失 去Gosal会毁了整个湖人体系随着Odom也不在了. 那如果Bynum不是健康的,那魔术湖人的交易就不会有可能了. Also, I’ve heard Howard doesn’t particularly care to follow Shaq and continue to be compared to him, that his agent is just using the Lakers to enhance any potential bidding. 除此之外,我已经听说Howard不会刻意去跟随侠客的脚步,和侠客做比较,这是他的经纪人 刻意增加交易至湖人的可能性.
1F:推 bluesky3330:侠客那段似乎是他并不想跟随并且跟侠客比较,(所以他01/09 17:16
2F:→ bluesky3330:是不想去的),因此湖人之所以被不断提出来是为了要利01/09 17:16
3F:→ bluesky3330:用湖人来增加各种可能的报价。换句话说就是用湖人提出01/09 17:17
4F:→ bluesky3330:的包裹来抬价啦!!(毕竟要出到跟湖人一样好有点难度)01/09 17:18
The Mavs have basically no trade pieces, at least hardly anyone under 40. Their general plan is to lure Dallas native Deron Williams as a free agent, and the way things are going in New Jersey it would seem Williams would only be too happy to evacuate. 小牛基本上根本没任何交易筹码,小牛GM计画签下达拉斯人Deron Williams如果他变FA, The Mavs’ grand plan is said to be both Williams and Howard, though they’d likely need a sign and trade for one and it hardly seems like they have anyone the Nets, especially after trading for Williams and giving up so much, or the Magic would want. So Dallas probably is out. 小牛最大的目标是一口气签下Deron和Howard,然而一定要有一个人要先签後换,但很难看 到达拉斯有魔术或篮网要的筹码,所以达拉斯很可能出局了. And then comes Brooklyn. Say the Nets do make a deal involving Brook Lopez, which seems ludicrous that the Magic would take him and whatever spare parts the Nets have left or can get. They supposedly are compiling draft picks, but the Magic isn’t rebuilding with a bunch of non lottery picks. And this Nets team is now the worst in the league. But say the Magic do make such a deal. What chance do you have for any success in New Brooklyn with Deron Williams, assuming he does stay, which he may not, and basically nothing else. The Nets might have enough money to pay Howard as a walk away free agent, which those conventional wisdom types say the Magic never would allow after losing Shaq like that, but still there’s hardly anything left on the roster. And Howard makes about $25 million less. He doesn’t seem that clever. But he can figure that out. And then he still probably doesn’t even beat the Knicks. And you’ re in Brooklyn. 说到布鲁克林,有传出篮网以Lopez为交易筹码,这听起来十分可笑,就算篮网把Lopez以外的 人都打包,魔术都不见得有兴趣.篮网必定要给一堆的选秀权,但魔术也得不到任何的乐透, 而且篮网目前是联盟最糟的队伍之一,就算Deron Howard真的合体成功,布鲁克林真的有机 会成功吗?篮网是有钱可以等Howard变成自由球员在去抢他,但魔术会希望侠客的事情再来 一遍吗? Other teams have cap room, but is Howard picking Phoenix and those extras? Charlotte, Cleveland, Utah? 其他的队伍有薪资空间,但Howard可能会去吗? 凤凰城? 夏洛特? 克里夫兰? 犹他? So Howard could after all this say he’s staying in Orlando. I wouldn’t be shocked. 所以有可能到最後,Howard会说他会留在奥兰多,这我可能一点都不会意外. But after not being in the ball game, the Bulls could find themselves being called up in the bottom of the ninth. 但公牛有可能会变成交易的对象 So then what do you do? The Bulls likely could answer most of Orlando’s wishes with draft picks (their own, Charlotte’s future and perhaps Mirotic from the last draft), taking back Hedo Turkoglu and giving them a center, Joakim Noah, popular in Florida, or Omer Asik, a power forward, Taj Gibson, and a small forward near All-Star player in Luol Deng. 公牛有办法给出魔术想要的选秀权,吃掉火枪烂约,给魔术一个在佛罗里达很有人气的中锋 Noah或是Asik,Taj Gibson,甚至是准全明星级的小前锋Loul Deng. The Magic isn’t into rebuilding, and the Nuggets did pretty well holding out for extra players in the Carmelo Anthony deal. Denver came out of it pretty whole and competitive. 魔术没有要重建,金块在交易Melo里做得很好,他们保持了整体战力跟竞争性. But then what are the Bulls? They have Derrick Rose and Howard, which is two of the top five players in the NBA to match Miami’s two of the top five. Carlos Boozer likely remains and probably Asik. You’re stuck with Turkoglu, but still have Richard Hamilton and some good role players like Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, C.J. Watson and Jimmy Butler. 那交易成功的话,公牛会如何? 他们会有Rose Howard两位联盟顶尖球员,Boozer有可能留住很有可能Asik也在.虽然你很有 可能被Turkoglu气死.但公牛仍有Rip Brewer Korver CJ Jimmy等人. http://ppt.cc/GwGQ --



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◆ From: 111.249.157.98 ※ 编辑: opopoppj 来自: 111.249.157.98 (01/09 17:04)
5F:推 bluesky3330:侠客那段似乎是他并不想跟随并且跟侠客比较,(所以他 01/09 17:16
6F:→ bluesky3330:是不想去的),因此湖人之所以被不断提出来是为了要利 01/09 17:16
7F:→ bluesky3330:用湖人来增加各种可能的报价。换句话说就是用湖人提出 01/09 17:17
8F:→ bluesky3330:的包裹来抬价啦!!(毕竟要出到跟湖人一样好有点难度) 01/09 17:18
9F:→ bluesky3330:至於The conventional wisdom就是指一般大众的看法 01/09 17:19
10F:→ opopoppj:感谢蓝天!! 01/09 17:21
11F:推 bluesky3330:感谢OP阿~有上色版的翻译超赞的!! 01/09 17:22
12F:推 rosebulls:推 01/09 17:51
13F:→ rosebulls:如果DH来公牛, 就成为公牛队史第一位超级中锋了 01/09 17:53
14F:→ rosebulls:如果真要交易,希望Asik Taj至少能留住一个 01/09 17:55
15F:推 kerry0496x:Boo+Noah <=> DH 楼上的两个都留了XD 01/09 17:57
16F:推 LedZeppelin:公牛队使第一个超级中锋? Artis Gilmore:.... 01/09 18:47
※ 编辑: opopoppj 来自: 111.249.157.98 (01/09 19:10)
17F:推 XLMAX:吉尔摩也是上古神兽...看那精美的篮板+火锅 01/09 19:54
18F:推 rosebulls:谢谢L大补充, 他是名人堂等级的 但是似乎待了满多队 01/09 20:31
19F:推 rosebulls:1976-1982在公牛打了6-7个球季,个人数据的确很棒 01/09 20:35
20F:推 Czero:但是交易Deng真的好吗?Deng防守LBJ真的守得不错 01/09 21:47
21F:推 GroveStreet:如果要交易Deng~请先找个合格的先发SF吧...... 01/09 21:52
22F:推 kerry0496x:宁愿换掉Boo也不要动卤蛋... 01/09 21:54
23F:→ opopoppj:如果换Deng 就代表不会换Boozer 那麽就代表 01/09 22:29
24F:→ opopoppj:会得到 Howard+Boozer这可怕的禁区组合 01/09 22:30
25F:→ opopoppj:当然换Deng 在SF这点上是很大的洞 我也懂 01/09 22:30
26F:→ opopoppj:但你要换Howard却没有损失 这也说不过去 01/09 22:31
27F:→ opopoppj:我个人认为 如果真的换Deng走的话 SF先由火枪和Brewer扛 01/09 22:32
28F:→ opopoppj:未来再由中产或选秀 取得小前锋来补这个洞 01/09 22:33
29F:→ opopoppj:要找到有防守跟一定外线能力外线的SF 还可以做到 01/09 22:34
30F:→ opopoppj:Howard联盟第一中锋可不是随时有机会得到的 01/09 22:35
31F:→ opopoppj:我知道Deng的功能很少人有办法取代 但组起了强大禁区 01/09 22:36
32F:→ opopoppj:配上日益进步的Rose 基本上 整个球队的主轴非常完美 01/09 22:36
33F:推 GroveStreet:就情感面来讲,要放掉Noah和Deng这两位自家培养的球队 01/09 22:39
34F:→ GroveStreet:核心~真的是舍不得呀...... 01/09 22:40
35F:推 rosebulls:同意op大,Boo+DH禁区的威力的确可以期待 01/09 22:40
36F:→ rosebulls:上季东冠boo表现如果正常,公牛可能还可以打到G6-G7决战 01/09 22:42
37F:→ rosebulls:公牛要冲出东区最大敌人是热火,如果把boo交易 那公牛禁 01/09 22:43
38F:→ rosebulls:区不一定有优势,Taj对上Bosh? 原本就算卤蛋在,热火的 01/09 22:44
39F:→ rosebulls:SF跟SG还是比较有优势,公牛要打败三王 得要更强战力 01/09 22:45
40F:→ opopoppj:Noah Deng当然都是很棒的球员 魔术球迷也是这样爱着DH阿 01/09 22:46
41F:→ opopoppj:不过要对方心甘情愿交出Howard 这点让步 我可以接受 01/09 22:49
42F:→ opopoppj:但是如果我们可以不用送Deng 我当然也不要送XD 01/09 22:49
43F:→ opopoppj:再说到有了Howard的助拳後 之後要找人抱大腿也比较容易 01/09 22:50
44F:推 rosebulls:如果可以不出卤蛋当然最好,但公牛很少做成功抢劫交易 01/09 22:51
45F:推 rosebulls:只要Asik/Taj至少留一个 Boo/deng至少留一个,公牛战力 01/09 22:55
46F:推 bluesky3330:老实说我对今年季後赛还满担心的,溜马、76人、尼克, 01/09 22:55
47F:→ rosebulls:在DH加盟後,不太可能比现在差,很可能战力比现在好 01/09 22:56
48F:→ bluesky3330:都是整合起来不输公牛的球队,尤其是溜马跟76人...看 01/09 22:56
49F:→ bluesky3330:起来都没有大球星,却都有对上会打得很辛苦的感觉,至 01/09 22:57
50F:→ bluesky3330:於热火就更不用说了...牛群们再不加油就要苦战罗~~ 01/09 22:57
51F:推 rosebulls:我是比较担心遇到老鹰啦,少了科科 公牛都打那麽辛苦了 01/09 22:57
52F:→ bluesky3330:差点忘了老鹰这个最近的当头棒喝.... 01/09 22:58
53F:→ rosebulls:科科回来 老鹰可能更难缠,至少防守会给Rose不小压力 01/09 22:59
54F:推 GroveStreet:看热身赛~感觉只要Rip健康出赛,溜马这类的球队都不是 01/09 22:59
55F:→ GroveStreet:对手,至於尼克......噗~除了甜瓜自干很强,看不出有什 01/09 23:00
56F:→ rosebulls:上季季後赛对老鹰,科科没上就血战6场了 01/09 23:00
57F:→ GroveStreet:威胁耶~ 01/09 23:00
58F:→ opopoppj:我觉得公牛最大的弱点就是「真正」具备攻击力的人没几位 01/09 23:02
59F:→ opopoppj:Boozer需要战术 Deng属於中距离射手欠缺进攻创造性 01/09 23:03
60F:→ opopoppj:Korver是单纯三分射手 被守死就没戏唱 01/09 23:04
61F:→ opopoppj:Rip得分能力无庸置疑 但他年纪有点大 健康不能保证 01/09 23:04
62F:→ opopoppj:如果有Howard 能信赖的得分武器就有两个 压力平分 01/09 23:06
63F:→ opopoppj:再说Howard的到来 Boozer的能力能完全解放 01/09 23:06
64F:→ opopoppj:Howard强大的低位攻击力 让Boozer在高位可以轻松得分 01/09 23:07
65F:→ opopoppj:Howard也可以有Boozer帮忙进攻变得轻松 01/09 23:07
66F:推 GroveStreet:好吧~乐观其成,就算交易不成也没损失! 01/09 23:09
67F:→ GroveStreet:不过希望公牛的球员不要被交易流言影响士气呀...... 01/09 23:09
68F:→ opopoppj:所以制服组现在不动声色是最棒的手段阿XD 01/09 23:10
69F:→ opopoppj:Rose也乖乖的不要吵 球员努力打球就对了 01/09 23:10
70F:→ opopoppj:反正我不觉得魔术会在明星赛前交易Howard 01/09 23:11
71F:推 Amilous:不会影响士气啊 Rose都出面先消毒说不需要交易 01/09 23:34
72F:→ Amilous:交易台面下偷偷谈 未达成交易前都不搬上台面 01/09 23:35
73F:推 rosebulls:公牛台面曝光的交易好像满少成功? 01/10 09:46
74F:推 jkduke:NOAH+卤蛋<=>DH+火枪兵 这样外有RIP+火枪兵 内有BO+DH 01/10 10:57
75F:→ a90b201:DENG的近功创造性真的不太好 可是每场都好稳 01/10 13:15
76F:→ sneak: 要找到有防守跟一定外线 https://daxiv.com 12/10 13:33
77F:→ muxiv: 不过要对方心甘情愿交出 http://yofuk.com 04/19 03:32







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