Devani S. (2007). Chthonic. Explicity Intense, 26, 16-18. Written by Devani Sarjoo Chthonic Music that which is expressed in more than one creative way goes onto make a lasting impression. Such can be said for Taiwan's Chthonic, a black metal band not afraid of experimenting yet keeping to true to their heavy metal roots. Frontman Freddy rang me up from his home in Taiwan to discuss their best sounding album to date, "Seediq Bale", and what makes his band so daringly evil and fascinated with the paranormal. 以超过一种以上的创意方式所呈现出来的音乐可以使人印象深刻，台湾的闪灵乐团正是 这样的一个创意乐团，闪灵是一个不断尝试新意而又保有重金属感的黑死金属乐团。闪 灵的领魂人物Freddy有一天从台湾打电话给我，和我讨论他们至今做得最好的唱片“赛 德克‧巴莱”，同时也聊到是什麽原因促使他们乐团如此坚持要维持邪灵作风和那令人 着迷的超自然感觉。 EI: Being a black metal band from Taiwan, do you find it easy or hard to compete with black metal bands of the same style from Europe? Chthonic: "It's not easy for us to compete with them (Euro black metal bands) in the European market. It's not easy for us to compete in the US market either, but in the Eastern Asia territory it's much easier for us since we have the same culture here and we can easily communicate with the metal fans. So all of the metal fans in Japan, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore can understand our music, lyrics, and the meanings are easier." EI: 身为来自台湾的黑金属乐团，如果要和性质相同的欧洲黑金属乐团比较，你认为这 样的竞争是简单的，还是不容易的？ 闪灵：「对我们来说，要和欧洲团竞争是很不容易的，甚至说要和美国团竞争也很不简单 ，但如果是在东亚地区，由於我们的文化背景类似，也比较能够和这些金属乐迷沟 通，因此这种竞争对我们来说就容易多了。因此所有在日本、中国、香港、台湾和 新加坡的乐迷都比较能够了解我们的音乐、歌词、和歌词所要表达的意义。」 EI: What are some of the elements which make Chthonic's stlye of black metal very atmospheric and evil sounding? Chthonic: "I think, we just like evil songs. Mainly the songs are written by myself and Jassie, the guitarist. Both of us like ghost stories since our childhood. We like movies and all kinds of evil stuff. We like lots of literature about ghosts. We just like this kind of stuff; I think it's quite natural," Freddy commented. EI: 是什麽元素造成闪灵乐团成为兼具艺术性和邪灵感音色的黑金属风格？ 闪灵：「我想，我们就是喜欢这种听起来邪邪的音乐，这些歌大多是由我和吉他手 Jassie写成的，我们从童年时期开始就很喜欢这些邪邪的东西，我们喜欢许多神 鬼文学，就是喜欢；我想这是很自然的事」Freddy说道。 EI: How do your lyrics about Taiwanese pro-independence stance tie in with the brutality of your group's music as it's not a dark subject matter? Chthonic: "Actually we did not think about as to how to connect our music to the pro-Taiwan issue. I think it's very natural that we live here and writing something about it as it is easy to be a pro-Taiwan or pro-independence band. All of the songs are about here, so it's quite independent, it's quite Taiwan. We found out that when we write stories about here, we write lyrics about Taiwan, its legend, and write ghost stories of Taiwan. It's easy for us and the people to support Taiwan more or to spread the values of Taiwan more." EI: 我想这也不是什麽密秘了，请问你个人支持台湾独立的言论，如何与你们乐团音 乐的残暴性取得平衡？ 闪灵：「事实上我们没想过要如何将我们的音乐和台独结合在一起，我们住在台湾，於 是就写下有关台湾的一些事，我想这是再自然也不过的事了，所以我们也就很容 易变成支持台湾或支持台独的乐团。我们的歌都是有关台湾的事，这样很独立， 也很台湾。我们也发现，当我们写下与台湾有关的故事，这同时就是在写台湾、 写台湾的传奇、和写台湾的神鬼故事，在这种情况下，我们这一群人当然就会倾 向多支持台湾一些，或者多宣扬一些台湾的价值。」 EI: You also mix an ancient Taiwanese instrument (er-hu, a two-string violin that dates to Tang dynasty (618-907)) within your music, so do you believe there is enough room to mix traditional Taiwanese music with that of modern extreme metal Chthonic plays? Chthonic: "Ya, it's very easy to do that since I listen to this kind of er-hu music in my home. I've been listening to this instrument my whole life. It's connected to my life. When I try to write a tune I find out that I need something very sad since all of the concepts of our albums are sad stories. So I need an instrument to express this kind of emotion. Then I found that all the rock instruments like guitar, bass or even keyboards cannot have that type of tone. When we started to use er-hu as an instrument, we just let more people know that this kind of traditional instrument can be played with modern music, with our own er-hu plyaer," the vocalist stated. EI: 你在你的音乐中也加入了一种台湾的乐器〈二胡，一种可追溯到西元618-907年 的唐朝的二弦琴〉，请问你认为在现代极端的金属闪灵作品中，还有足够的空间 可以混杂这些传统的台湾音乐吗？ 闪灵：「可以啊，因为我在家里就是都在听这种二胡音乐，所以将二胡放进我们的音乐 里是很简单的一件事。我这一辈子都在听这种乐器，它跟我的生活连结在一起， 我在写曲时，由於我写的都是悲伤的故事，所以我发现我需要一种可以表现这种 悲伤情感的乐器，我认为所有摇滚乐的乐器都做不到这一点，不论是吉他、贝斯 、甚至是键盘都做不到。当我们开始将二胡加入我们的音乐，我们便让越来越多 的人知道，这种传统乐器是可以和现代音乐一起演奏的，而且我们有属於我们自 己的二胡演奏人」主唱人说道。 EI: I also noticed in your lyrics that you've mixed lyrics from the Taiwanese language alongside English. Do you ever find it difficult to express your emotions when working with two complicated languages? Chthonic: "I think it's okay; it's easy. You know the Taiwanese parts, I learned those because they are too hard to translate. I think all of those parts can be expressed good only in the Taiwanese language. The English parts, we don't translate them but we try to write them, so we have a Taiwanese version here, in all Taiwanese language, but the English verion which we do not translate, we try to write them like a poem. I like English and I like English literature, so I think English lyrics have different kinds of feelings. It's very easy for me to het into the spirit." EI: 我也注意到在你的歌词中，中英文是夹杂着用的，请问你是否觉得在使用这二种 复杂的语言时，会不容易将你所要表达的感情表现出来？ 闪灵：「我想我没有这方面的问题。你知道台湾话的那些部分，我觉得我很难将它们翻 译成英文，而且也只有用台湾话才能将那些部分完善地呈现出来。那些英文的部 分，我们不翻译，但我们忠实地把它们写下来，所以我们保有台湾话版本，也保 有英文部分，并把它们都写得像诗一样。我喜欢英文也喜欢英文文学，所以我认 为英文歌词可呈现不同的感受。我很容易就可以尽入这种精神状态」。 ***这一段不太了解Freddy要表达什麽*** EI: How did you feel receiving your "Best Rock Group" award from Taiwan's President at the 14th Golden Melody Awards? Chthonic: "I think it's very good because it looks like the president endorses black metal. Then the people will feel like 'okay we should listen to more different kinds of music', not just mainstream or pop rock. If I look at it in this way, it's good." EI: 当你从台湾总统陈水扁手中接获第14届金曲奖的最佳摇滚乐团奖时，有何感想？ 闪灵：「我想这是很好的一件事，因为这就好像总统亲自为黑金属音乐背书一样，这样 之後人们就会觉得“好啊，我们应该去听更多不同类型的音乐，而不是只有听听 所谓的主流音乐或流行摇滚乐”。假如我这样看待这件事的话，这是好事。」 EI: What makes your new album "Seediq Bale" different than your last three releases and do you feel this is Chthonic at their best? Chthonic: "When we started Chthonic in 1995, I found that it was impossible to find musicians to play [with me]. There were no musicians who wanted to play black metal [with], so I had to find some friends to [play with]. They were not into black metal... Some of them were in pop rock bands and jazz bands. In the beginning it was very hard to write songs myself. Then after a couple of years, the members changed, they were not suitable for this band and left. In 1999, Jessie, the guitarist and Doloris, the bassist joined Chthonic. If we go from 1999 'til now, three of us, and more new members joined the band, the drummer, the keyboard player and the er-hu player. We can write better songs than the original lineup," Freddy admitted. According to Freddy, 'Seediq Bale' is their best record. EI: 请问你的新专辑“赛德克‧巴莱”与你的前三张专辑有何不同？你觉得这次这张 是闪灵有史以来最好的专辑吗？ 闪灵：「1995年闪灵刚开始时，我发现我根本找不到可以一起玩团的音乐人，那时候没 有人想要玩黑金属乐，所以我必须找一些朋友来一起玩团。他们都不是玩黑金属 乐的，有些人算是流行摇滚乐的，有些人算是玩爵士乐的。刚开始时，光靠我自 己一个人写歌是很辛苦的，之後过了几年，我们的成员改变了，他们因为不适合 这个乐团而离开。到了1999年，吉他手Jessie和贝斯手Doloris 加入了闪灵。如 果从1999年算起到现在，我们有三个基本成员，接着有其他成员加入，包括鼓手 、键盘手、和二胡手，所以我们现在可以写出比原来团员在的时候更棒的歌。」 Freddy承认。因此根据Freddy的说法，“赛德克‧巴莱”是他们目前为止最好的 一张唱片。 EI: Where did the nice bound format packaging idea for your latest DVD, two live CD set come from? Chthonic: "It's our 10th anniversary, so we just decided to make it as good as we could." EI: 你们将在美国发行最新的DVD和二张现场CD组，这样精彩的音乐合辑来源为何？ 闪灵：「这是我们的出道十周年的作品，我们会尽全力将这张音乐做好来。」 ┌----------------------------------------------┐ │"We like lots of literature about ghosts. │ │ We just like this kind of stuff; I think it's│ │ quite natural." Freddy │ └----------------------------------------------┘ 翻得好累 希望这样没有触犯着作权法，有的话再自D好了 跟大家分享这份全国人民的喜悦 请问有人有闪灵的“深耕”或“祖灵之流”可以卖我吗？ 或是能否伸手要求一张闪灵的大海报吗？ 谢谢 --

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