原文:https://goo.gl/Kxpgmh 文章有点长 大概先讲主要的原因 就是这名用户在场外交易 收了一笔低於市价的BTC 但这笔BTC是被骇客盗走卖出的(BTC没有匿名 区块链都查的到) 後来他把这笔BTC存进bitfinex里面 导致整个帐户都被冻结 Bitfinex froze my account with over $1 million Bitfinex交易所冻结了这位用户超过一百万美元的资产 Hi, I'm an European guy under 30 and today I'm very worried. I post from a new account for obvious reasons. I entered into the crypto-world as a miner in 2013, I bought 3 very noisy big GPU to mine Scrypt coins (Litecoin, Dogecoin, Vertcoin, [insert the name a Litecoin-clone]). I used to sell them on an exchange called Cryptex (today closed). Over the following years, I stopped mining and started to buy and hodl, for example: I bought BTC around $300-400 I bought ETH around $10 I bought XMR around $1 I bought IOTA around $0.4 各位乡民好，我是一位还没满30岁的欧洲人，我现在很担心，所以我在reddit注册了一个 帐号来这边向大家询问 我在2013年的时候开始挖矿，我买了三台大型的显卡况机来挖取像是BTC、LTC、狗币之 类的，我曾经在一个叫做Cryptex的交易所(现在已经关闭)卖掉他们 後来我停止自己挖矿，改采购买数位货币，例如: 我在300-400美元左右买了BTC 我在10美元左右买了ETH 我在1美元左右买了XMR 我在0.4美元左右买了IOTA I put ALL my saving money into cryptocurrencies as investment. I read a lot of topics on bitcointalk, whitepapers. I have an account on many exchanges and did some OTC trades. I enrolled many people and friends into crypto-currencies, they thanked me many times. I help a lot of new-coiners online almost everyday. 我把大部分的存款都投入到了加密货币当中，阅读了很多数位货币相关的论坛，与新发行 货币的白皮书等等相关的话题 我在很多交易所都有帐户，并且也做了一些场外交易。 我把许多人和朋友加入了币圈中，他们也多次感谢我，几乎每天都在网上帮助了很多刚进 入数位货币这个世界的新手。 On Summer 2017, I created an account on Bitfinex and started trading there. In 2017, the ROI I made was unbelievable. In December 2017, my Bitfinex account displayed over 1 million USD of values, ALL my investments. At the end of December, the market started to go down, I decided to switch all my hodlings into USDT. My dream has always been to create my own company. I was feeling very comfortable with that amount of money. At the beginning of January, I announced to my boss my wish to leave his company, that will happen in few weeks. Then, the nightmare started. 在2017年夏季，我在Bitfinex上创建了一个帐户并开始在那里交易。 在2017年，我所做的投资回报十分的高。 2017年12月，我的Bitfinex帐户拥有超过等值100万美元的资产。 在十二月底，数位货币的开始下滑(应该是买到BTC吧...)，我决定把所有的货币转换成 USDT。 我的梦想一直是建立自己的公司。我对这笔钱感到很开心。 在1月初，我向老板提出了辞职的要求。 但在这时候 恶梦开始了 15/01/2018: I received an email from Bitfinex support, "Your account activity has triggered a number of automated risk flags in our platform. This in itself is not a big problem, however when this happens we wish the user to provide some information in order to understand the user's account history and objectives.". They asked me some questions about my objectives, my passport, a photo of me hodling my passport and an hand written note ("Bitfinex" + date + signature) and "where, how and when" I acquired two crypto deposits. From that moment, my account become frozen, I cannot trade anymore on the platform. 我收到了Bitfinex支持的电子邮件，"您的账户活动在我们的平台上自动触发了一些风 险警告，这并不是一个大问题，但是如果发生这种情况，我们希望用户提供一些资料 ，以了解用户的帐户历史和操作目的。" 他们要我提供一些我的个资，像是护照，实际拍摄的照片和手写的纸条 包含(Bitfinex字样+日期+签名）以及我住在哪里，如何和何时取得了这些数位货币。 从那一刻起，我的账户被冻结了。 16/01/2018: I uploaded the documents on their website and answered to the questions by email. I received an answer after 6 minutes, yes, minutes! They asked me more details about those two deposits, I answered immediately. Story about those deposits: Those two deposits come from the same online OTC trade I did few months ago. Someone wanted to sell some coins under the market price, I wanted to buy more of the same coin. Why under the market price? This is what I asked to the seller, "I'm an US citizen and cannot trade on Bitfinex anymore.". He wanted to pay first, I accepted, the trade was been completed without issue, I was happy and continued to hodl. Crypto panic (still 16/01/2018): The crypto-market went down by something like 30% (reminder: I only had USDT), I tried to remove my buy orders, I couldn't, my account was still frozen. All orders have been executed in the next few hours, 99% of my USDT have been exchanged. 16/01/2018：我在他们的网站上传文件，并通过电子邮件回答问题。 6分钟後我就收到了 答覆，他们问我有关这两个数位货币存款的更多细节，我立即回答。 关於这些存款的故事：这两个存款来自我几个月前的一个在线的场外交易。有人想以比市 价更低的价格卖出这些货币。 我问他为什麽要用比市场更低的价格下卖出呢？ 卖家回答："我是美国公民，因此不能在Bitfinex甚至其他不少的交易所上交易。 我接受了，交易完成，我继续hodl这些数位货币。 16/01/2018 数位货币的市场下跌了30％（我只有USDT），我试图取消我的买单， 但我没办法，我的帐户被冻结。 所有的订单都在接下来的几个小时内完成，我的 USDT的99％已经被交易成数位货币了。 17/01/2018: Without answer from Bitfinex (reminder: they answered in minutes the first time) and because I was very worried, I sent another email asking for more details and an update. As of today (18/01/2018), I'm very worried/stressed/anxious, whatever you want. All my saving money and smart investments are frozen on Bitfinex. I will leave my company in the next few weeks, without a lot of backup money (I was all-in crypto on Bitfinex). I don't have the money to build my dream (my own company) as excepted. I'm highly involved in different crypto-communities (without nickname), trusted by many people and don't know if my name will be publicly associated to shady stuff. Is this a standard procedure from Bitfinex? Can I trust them? I know most of the blockchains are public. If some of my coins come from the darknet or something shady, how does Bitfinex know? How could I know? Will Bitfinex unfroze my account? How long time can it take? Can I have problems with the justice of my country? How can I show to Bitfinex that I'm legit? Please don't tell me "don't hodl on exchanges", "don't do OTC trades" etc. Please help me, I'm destroyed. 我所有的储蓄和投资都在Bitfinex上，但他们遭到冻结了。 我将在接下来的几个星期内离开我的公司，没有很多备用的资金。我没有钱去建立我的梦 想（我自己的公司）。 而且我高度参与不同的数位货币社群讨论，受到很多人的信任。 这是Bitfinex的标准程序吗？ 我可以相信他们吗？ 我知道大部分的区块链都是公开的。 如果我的一些数位货币来自暗网或黑暗的地方，Bitfinex如何知道？ 我怎麽知道？ Bitfinex会解冻我的账户吗？ 需要多久的时间？ 我如何向Bitfinex展示我是合法的？ 请不要告诉我“不要把资产存放在交易所”，“不要做场外交易”等。 Update 1 (18/01/2018): I got an answer. They asked me to complete the verification process on bitfinex.com/verification . I had already started this process (before I understood they only asked to upload passport + selfie passport). I will complete it today, I need to upload an utility bill etc and re-upload my ID selfie (hodling a different ID). They also asked for the other side transactions ID, which is very bad as I sent XMR (which had my best ROI so far, see above). In addition, the trade happened on Slack (I have already told them those details). And as you may know, Slack allows to see the history of only 10k messages of the entire Slack team. Even if their email looks very friendly and I am "very cooperative", I'm worried they won't believe me as I'm not able to give proof. They finally said the reason of that matter "The indicated funds deposited to your account are reported to have been stolen from another user". How is it possible to report stolen coins? I got scam 2 years ago and thought there was not way to get my BTC back. Edit I answered. Update 2 (19/01/2018): I got an answer. They said they unfroze my account and told me to keep the involved assets on my account until further police investigation. I answered to ask some questions like "Police from which country?". Few minutes later, they told me my account has been froze again, they are not allowed to share any further information with me and I have to wait until Monday to get further steps from the involved authorities. 更新1 （18/01/2018）： 我得到了答案。 他们要求我在bitfinex.com/verification上完成验证过程。 我已经开始这个过程（在我明白他们只要求上传护照+自拍护照之前）。 我会在今天完成 它，我需要上传一个水电费账单等，并重新上传我的身份证自拍。 他们还要求对方交易ID，这是非常困难的，因为我发送了XMR（迄今为止我的投资回报率 最高，见上文）。 另外，我用Slack(一款通讯软体)来进行场外交易，但Slack仅能查看 有限的历史纪录。 最後它们告诉我，我存入资金被回报为是其他人遭到骇客所骇走的资金 我得到了答案。 他们说，他们解冻了我的帐户，但所有涉及非法交易的资产还是会被锁 定，直到进一步的警方调查。 但是几分钟後，他们又告诉我，我的帐户又一次被冻结了， 他们不能和我分享任何进一步的消息，我必须等到下礼拜一之後才能进一步采取措施。 心得: 看起来收一些来路不明且低於市价的BTC还是有风险的... 如果他是全部收XMR、或是加密传送的ZEC PIVX之类的可能就没这个问题XD -- 1.你不管後半辈子再怎麽努力，都比不上你投胎那一次的努力 @qxxrbull 2.努力用功一辈子，不如你爸妈给你一栋北市的房子 3.你工作一年连100万都赚不到，人家买个1200张中华票券摆一年就有100万 4.要从没钱变有钱很困难，要从有钱变更有钱很简单 5.法律规定不能教唆他人自杀，因为当所有穷人都自杀了，有钱人也没办法一直有钱了 6.自杀前记得用尽你的能力贷款，在选择权结算日前全梭一边，这是你死前翻身的机会 --

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