http://eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Barca-European-decisions.aspx Out of 15 'borderline' decisions in knock-out games under Pep Guardiola, seven went for Barcelona and eight went against. After Robin van Persie’s ridiculous red card last night, there has been an element of debate over whether referees “favour” Barcelona in Europe. In the Daily Mail today Martin Samuel wrote “it would make a refreshing change if just once Barcelona could win this tournament without being set on their way by the obliging incompetence of a match official. For the clueless Tom Henning Ovrebo against Chelsea in 2009, read the merciless Massimo Busacca in 2011.” To some, particularly Arsene Wenger, the outcome would have been markedly different had Van Persie stayed on the pitch. However, the outcome could also have been markedly different had Leo Messi’s marginal offside call in the first leg been allowed or the same player been awarded a penalty before half-time. Mindful of this counter-balance as well as the copious conspiracy theories around referees and Uefa, we decided to look at all of the marginal calls involved in Barcelona’s Champions League knock-out games under Pep Guardiola. The point was not to express judgment on any of them, merely to lay them out and say whether they went for or against Barcelona. As ever, it appears accusations of bias on either side are illusory. The marginal calls generally even out. Barcelona 0-0 Chelsea, 2009 SF Against Barcelona 0-1 Jose Bosingwa grabs Thierry Henry in the box. Penalty appeal turned down. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF For Barcelona 1-1 Dani Alves tugs Florent Malouda who falls around edge of box. Ref rules outside. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF For Barcelona 2-1 Eric Abidal tugs Didier Drogba’s shirt as the striker goes through on goal. No penalty or red card. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF Against Barcelona 2-2 Aric Abidal sent off for colliding with Nicolas Anelka. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF For Barcelona 3-2 Ball hits Gerard Pique’s hand in the box. No penalty given. Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF For Barcelona 4-2 Ball hits Seydou Keita’s arm in the box. No penalty given. Arsenal 2-2 Barcelona, 2010 QF Against Barcelona 4-3 Carlos Puyol and Cesc Fabregas collide. Penalty given, Puyol sent off Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF For Barcelona 5-3 Samuel Eto’o in through on goal only to be called for offside in borderline decision. Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF Against Barcelona 5-4 Milito in offside position when Sneijder takes preceding touch. Scores and goal given. Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF Against Barcelona 5-5 Wesley Sneijder brings down Dani Alves in the box. Alves booked for diving. Barcelona 1-0 Inter, 2010 SF For Barcelona 6-5 Sergio Busquets goes down after Thiago Motta palms face. Notoriously peeks at referee. Motta is sent off. Barcelona 1-0 Inter, 2010 SF Against Barcelona 6-6 Bojan Krkic scores but goal disallowed because ball struck Yaya Toure’s arm. Debate over “ball to hand” ensues. Arsenal 2-1 Barcelona, 2011 last-16 Against Barcelona 6-7 Leo Messi scores but goal disallowed for offside. Replays suggest it was onside. Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal, 2011 last-16 Against Barcelona 6-8 Leo Messi brought down on edge of box. Penalty not given. Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal, 2011 last-16 For Barcelona 7-8 Robin Van Persie given second booking for shooting after whistle had blown. -- from a fan: how many times have we seen forwards shown yellow cards for kicking the ball after the whistle is blown? standard stuff. so what’s the difference here? the game does not (and should not) make exceptions for english teams, managers, or fans. All teams in all competitions suffer or benefit from referring decisions from time to time. how come it’s only made a huge issue when english clubs suffer from such decisions? -- Massimo Busacca 真是个烂裁判没错，尤其是这两个判决: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphanLlEsrs http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhgg1n_barcapensht57_travel --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 219.87.89.129 As ever, it appears accusations of bias on either side are illusory. The marginal calls generally even out. Read the paragraph above again. ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 22:25) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It appears that you need to read the whole article again. And again. What a pity! ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 23:26) ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 23:27) Where were you when Bojan's goal was unjustly disallowed last season? ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 23:33) 1. "deliberate" 不是 "恶意" 而是 "故意" ，看来你除了阅读能力障碍之外， 中文和英文都不太好。 2. 你怎麽能从 Puyol 的动作判断出他的恶意? 练过读心术吗？ 事实上 Puyol 根本没出手或脚，他连赶到传球点都来不及了， 是 Cesc 的脚刚好插进从後跑来的他双脚之间。 虽然你曾说过自己不看欧冠只看高光了，但从你的推文， 看来你连高光都不会看。看一下以下的三张照片吧！ http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/petriebarca/CescPuyol1.png http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/petriebarca/CescPuyol2.png http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/petriebarca/CescPuyol3.png 3. 这是最重要的一点。 去年球季当巴萨在客场被 Arsenal 追成 2-2 之後，你有看过这个板的球迷 敲锣打鼓，哭天抢地，对这一球大作文章吗？（相关文章都还留在板上， 有兴趣可以自行翻阅） 更进一步来说，本篇文章里列出的这几年欧冠比赛当中的各种关键判决里， 当结果对巴萨不利时，大多数巴萨球迷又何时因此开始指控「裁判不公」、 「欧足联作弊」、「乾爹」这种非理性无根据，跟着中国球迷鹦鹉学舌 的可笑阴谋论？ 裁判的判决是比赛的一部份。足球比赛里，误判就像喝水吃饭一样每天都在发生。 不能接受这个基本事实的球迷，终究只能沈溺在自行想像的阴谋论世界而已。 为什麽英超足球迷会觉得自己的球队被误判，就是别人作弊的结果？ ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 111.240.224.142 (03/12 01:58) 所以这一长串废话才是你真正的心声吗？ 文章都告诉你「裁判的判决，在经过时间累积後，并不会有特别偏袒任何一队的情况」， 你看完文章的心得还在那里十次有八次啊？这已经不是阅读障碍可以形容的悲惨。 我帮你把足球规则里关於红牌的规定贴在下面，找得到「恶意犯规」算你厉害: A red card is shown by a referee to signify that a player has been sent off. A player who has been sent off is required to leave the field of play immediately and must take no further part in the game. The player who has been sent off cannot be replaced during the game; his team must continue the game with one fewer player. Only players, substitutes and substituted players may receive a red card. Law 12 of the Laws of the Game lists the categories of misconduct for which a player may be sent off. These are: Serious foul play (a violent foul) Violent conduct (any other act of violence) Spitting at anyone A deliberate handling offense to deny an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by any player other than a goalkeeper in his own penalty area Committing an offence that denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (informally known as a professional foul) Using offensive, insulting or abusive language or gestures Receiving a second caution (yellow card) in one game 我不是主裁判 Busacca，你也不是，麻烦不要继续自己幻想裁判心里状态 发表一些令人啼笑皆非的言论好吗？ 多数人的意见就一定是真理吗？而且大部份 Ptt 足球迷的知识水平本来就很低， 最拿手的的就是脑补、人云亦云跟引战推文。 从你都能被称为大师，就知道水平有多低了。 请问一下，裁判吹哨後继续动作（甚至射门）可不可以给黄牌？ 如果可以的话，van Persie 这个 case 是有什麽好吵的？ 吹哨後继续射门，裁判不给牌只口头警告，或是连警告都没有， 那是你运气好，别以为下一次也不会有事。 而且，van Persie 在吹哨後继续射门的习性也不是第一次了， 夜路走多了，遇到鬼一次，就在那怨天怪地啊？ 还是因为 van Persie 是英超球员，在欧洲赛场比赛时，即使作了 裁判可以给牌的行为，但因为身上有一张黄牌，就可以有豁免权？ ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 111.240.235.123 (03/12 12:52) 请问一下, 这次你会不会过了几小时又跑回来大放厥词? 如果你觉得被电的还不够的话, 我个人很欢迎你继续回来发表高见. ※ 编辑: Petrie 来自: 219.87.89.129 (03/12 18:14)