作者brianhou (布莱猴)
看板Foreign_Inv
标题Re: [讨论] 股利为美国来源与否-IRS回覆与整理
时间Sun Apr 28 15:53:55 2013
我觉得这篇IRS回文蛮重要的
其中提到
There is no 30% tax on U.S. source
dividends you receive from a foreign corporation
然後又建议说
You must report all mutual fund dividends and
distributions, including dividends reinvested in the mutual fund,
on your tax return.
我的解读是
若要取回这种 U.S.(or non-US) source dividend from the foreign corporation
就得要你提供所有关於这个 ETF/fund 的 dividend/distribution
并非是 underlying securities 的 dividend/distribution
这在劵商帐号网页查询 transaction history 下载即可并不难
而且在ETF网页查到 ETF 的 foreign income percentage,
都是列在所谓 tax related documents, 不就是要给人查询用来报(退)税吗
其实我前两次报税也是这样做并取得refund
就小弟分享经验(也许不一定合法正确, 请大大们指教)
前两次报税我都是
1. 按时间和 transaction id 列出所有dividend,并且分类为taxable US source,
capital gain, retrun of capital, interest, and foreign source, 并把和
1042-S不一致的地方作备注说明. 一笔distribution内若包含不同类就再细分
2. 除了distribution另外也列出所有 NRA withhold transaction
※ 引述《smartboy (小光光)》之铭言:
: 前几个礼拜我也写信问 IRS 投资美国以外的 ETF 是否算是美国来源收入,
: 由於怕 IRS 的人误会, 我有特别强调问题是什麽, 还故意选个名字叫
: ex-US 的 VEU 来举例.
: I am a nonresident alien investor from Taiwan. My question is whether
: ETFs 100% investing outside US considered as US-sourced income or not.
: For example, VEU (FTSE All-World ex-US ETF) is an exchange traded fund
: managed by Vanguard Group, Inc.. As its name stated, VEU invests in
: stocks of companies around the world except US. According to Vanguard's
: website (
: https://advisors.vanguard.com/VGApp/iip/site/advisor/investments/taxcenter/prioryeartaxdata/article?file=IWE_TaxFTSEAllWorld2012
: ) and its tax documents, Vanguard clearly stated "The foreign
: income percentage for this fund was 100%."
: In short, the ETF is managed by US company but the income is 100%
: not from US.
: As I know, a NRA from Taiwan is subjected to 30% tax for dividends
: paid by US corp in general. According to Pub 519, Chapter 3, the
: dividends paid by foreign corporations can be exempt from the 30%
: tax. My question is whether VEU meets this condition? i.e. Dividends
: from VEU can be exempt from the 30% tax?
: ===
: IRS 的回答其实我不是很确定他的意思.
: In most cases, dividend income received from domestic corporations is
: U.S. source income. Dividend income from foreign corporations is
: usually foreign source income. There is no 30% tax on U.S. source
: dividends you receive from a foreign corporation. Please note that
: because a mutual fund actually holds the underlying securities in
: its name, the mutual fund pays several types of dividends and
: distributions that the mutual fund has received on the underlying
: securities. You must report all mutual fund dividends and
: distributions, including dividends reinvested in the mutual fund,
: on your tax return. For more information, please refer to
: Publication 519, U. S Tax Guide for Aliens.
: ===
: "There is no 30% tax on U.S. source dividends you receive from a
: foreign corporation" 这句看起来有点奇怪. 若不是笔误, 可以解释成
: 虽然 VEU 是 U.S/ source dividends, 但是是 foreign corp 发的, 没有 30% tax.
: (这句 U.S. source 是字面意思而不是照税务的定义.... 这是我感到不确定的地方)
: 但要注意报税时要把 mutual fund 各种不同的 income 详列清楚.
: 还是怎麽理解 IRS 的回覆? 请指教
: 我後来没空再问 IRS, 若需要的话还请其他人继续问清楚.
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1F:推 goliathplus:请问有之前的报税文件可以参考吗 感谢 04/28 19:05
2F:推 goliathplus:另外请问有付基金公司的 tax document 吗? 04/28 19:16
3F:推 iceman0603:光是etf股息算是美国公司还是外国公司发的 04/28 19:49
4F:→ iceman0603:你就很难去证明了~ 04/28 19:49
5F:→ iceman0603:依照券商跟irs的回覆~ 只要是美国发行的ETF就算是 04/28 19:50
6F:→ iceman0603:美国公司发的美国来源~ 目前还没有看到有任合券商或是 04/28 19:51
7F:→ iceman0603:IRS的人有说ETF股息算是外国公司发的~ 04/28 19:51
8F:→ iceman0603:还有~ 你完全误解第一段的那句话 04/28 19:52
9F:→ iceman0603:外国公司发的股息属於美国来源~ 这是特例 04/28 19:52
10F:→ iceman0603:这家公司的total gross income 要有25%以上与美国有关 04/28 19:53
11F:推 iceman0603:建议你先把公司跟来源的分类弄清楚 #1HMwjZYR 04/28 19:55
12F:→ brianhou:X谢谢指正,原本理解有误,IRS应是照本宣科,未针对veu说明 04/29 12:22
13F:→ brianhou:的确能退税不一定报税正确,还得多研究,谢谢大大详细说明 04/29 12:34