作者TMWSTW (毫无反应,就是个ID)
看板GUNDAM
标题Re: [讨论] Zeta的格利布斯决战应该发生在农历7月半~
时间Sat Sep 13 22:12:08 2008
其实ZG已经被酸很多次啦,这也的确是个争议段落。
不过与其看英文字幕,不如听听英文配音吧,意思比较顺一点。
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=tufyNcFd_XE&feature=related
(刚刚找到的英文配音版,才放上来12天,大概没多久就会被砍了XD)
英文配音不一定会习惯啦,不过也不差就是,又,以下附来对照的对话是我不太准确的
听写。
※ 引述《uyn (女生最不讲理~)》之铭言:
: http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRUTQt_vfM&feature=related
: kamille:You're always looking from afar and playing with others!
: 你总是在别人後面看,玩弄别人~(羞)
: Scirocco:You can't win,kid!
: 你赢不了的~(答非所问)
Kamile: That's your way, always out of side, pulling people strings like a
puppet master!
Scirocco: You'll never be able to beat me, boy!
(我就不中译了,通常英译再中译只会让东西变得可笑。不过看得出来配音的用词比
字幕好上多少了吧)
这里要提的是,「答非所问」的前提是两个人在对话。但ZG并不是一个人说话一定另一
个人就听到,在没啥通讯,NT能力又不稳定的状况下无法确定每一句话对方都有了解。
所以很可能是西罗克感觉到卡密儿的战意而回吼的。
: ~ The.o和z光剑对砍 ~
: kamille:I don't care if I die, if only I can kill you!
: 如果我可以干掉你,我不介意我会死!(拼身家了~)
: Scirocco:What's with him?
: 有什麽东东?(感到有些异样~)
: kamille:Everyone knows that people like you should die!
: 每个都知道你要死啦!(为杀人找个理由...)
: Everyone knows !
: 每个人啦!(Titans的各位可不如此想啊~)
: Scirocco:...(cow ~ 先砍再说)
Kamile: I can't forgive him, even at the cost with my body and soul. He has
to be punished...he has to!
Scirocco: What's going on? Who is he talking to?
(怎麽回事?他在和谁说话?)
Kamile: Don't you understand? Mosters like him can't be allowed to live!
I'm sure you do! All of you do! You must understand!
这一段可以说英文比较是意译,但这正是原本要表达的。卡密儿当时是在和「某些人」
说话,而这些人就是之後出现的艾玛、卡兹、莱拉、凤等人。他不是在说什麽世上每个
人都知道。
卡密儿这时或许是NT威能感受到了死去的人们,或许是自己的幻觉,总之他感受到自己
必须寻求「他们」的支持。
: ~ The.o隐腕用光剑偷砍掉z的光束来福枪 ~
: 谜之女声:You're impatient,that's bad.
: 你没耐性,那不好! (背後灵开始教学~)
: ~ 双方拉开距离对峙 ~
: (背後灵1)Laila:If you're no match for him,what should you do ?
: 打不过,怎麽办?
: kamille:I'm going to user my body for world's sake!
: 为了世界好,要用我的身体!(羞)
: (背後灵2)Emma:Great,Kammille!
: (背後灵3)Katz:Life and death is what holds universe together.
: 生命和死亡可让宇宙合而为一.(在说什麽啊?)
Emma: You're too impatient, that's always your problem.
Leila: The opponent is so much stronger. Now what should you do in the case
like this?
Kamile: I'll let you all use my body!
Emma: Good idea, Kamile.
Katz: Everyone is too concerned about the life and death in physical world,
so they're focusing on the wrong thing!
(每个人都太执着於在物质世界中的生死,因此他们关注在错误的事情上)
这里字幕版的翻译好像整个错成一团。配音的比较准确,而且还通顺多了。
这里就是常常被酸七月半的地方啦。卡密儿在这里的感受到的事物很难说就是「鬼」
或是「灵魂」,在一个有NT的世界中也很难区分自己的体验中那些是他者那些是自己
的幻觉。而卡密儿的决定是将自己完全投身入这种体验中。
: (背後灵4)Sarah:You can't!
: 不可以!(跑出来阻止)
: kamille:Are you still saying that?
: 你还这麽说?(竟开始和背後灵4对话起来了)
: (背後灵5)Reccoa:Get out of the way,Sarah! 闪开!
: (背後灵6)罗莎米亚:Children wouldn't understand this.小孩不懂啦!(假妹妺也来参一脚)
: (背後灵7)Four: Allow Kammille take care of it.让专业的来啦!(7嘴8舌貌)
: (背後灵4)Sarah: No, sir Paptimus is... 不, 他是...(对方人多,这下惨了~)
: kamille:We can't let him live in this world! 我们就是要干掉他啦!(废话少说!)
: Please understand ,Sarah! 请了解! (温情攻势)
: (背後灵4)Sarah: No, sir Paptimus is... 不, 他是...(唉...快顶不住了~)
: (背後灵3)Katz: Is what ? 是什麽?
: Think ,please.想想吧~
: You're only making us tired,Sarah.你已经让我们很累了~(我耐性不是很好的喔~)
: (背後灵4)Sarah:If I don't ,it will... 如果我不做,他会....(被你们宰掉啊~)
: (背後灵3)Katz: Look where Kammille is looking now.看着吧~
: That person will join us soon.他快来陪我们了 (最後一击!)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: (背後灵4)Sarah:Really? 真的吗? (心动貌)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: (背後灵3)Katz:Yes! (保证的啦!)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: <<< 於是(背後灵4)Sarah旁观 >>>
Sarah: No don't!
Kamile: Are you still protecting him?
Reccoa: Sarah, out of the way!
Rosamia: You're too young to understand, Sarah.
Four: We have to leave things to Kamile now.
Sarah: No! Master Paptimas is...
Kamile: I can't let him remain in this world any longer! Please understand,
Sarah.
Sarah: I won't! Master Paptimas will save the world!
Katz: Why don't you listen what your heart says? At this rate, you'll just
wear yourself out, Sarah.
(为什麽不听听你的内心怎麽说?再这样下去,你只会让自己精疲力尽啊)
Sarah: But...I have to do this...
Katz: Why don't you turn and see what Kamile is looking at?
All of us can be as one, even Scirocco could join with us.
(你为什麽不转身看卡密儿看到了什麽?我们都能成为一体,甚至连西罗克都
能加入我们。)
Sarah: Really, Katz?
Katz: Yes.
这一段配音版本有考量到对话的情境,做了一些修饰,让对话看起来清楚不少。又,
字幕的You're only making us tired,Sarah.根本是乱翻。
Katz前面的那一句「每个人都太执着在物质世界」就对应在这里,似乎有一个心灵的
世界是每个人都成为一体的。这可能其实是卡密儿的想法透过卡兹说出来的,在《达
卡的一日》中有一段对话提到「有一天人与人的心会相通,而那时死去的人就会再会
,我是这麽相信的」,卡密儿的经验(或说幻觉)可能就是这一天的预示。
: Scirocco:Zeta is... What's going on ?
Scirocco: The Zeta! What's happening? Is this some kind of weapon I have never
seen before?
Kamile: You'll never understand, because you think that war is some kind of game.
You can't comprehend the power that flowing through my body.
Scirocco: What kind of power are you talking about, boy? How can something so
intangible can possibly beat a mobile suit?
Kamile: Because...
Four: It's because Kamile is in the machine that can channel that power.
Rosamia: Yes, the zeta gundam.
Scirocco: Who's that women's voices?
Kamile: Well, you still want to fight?
Scirocco: The-O. The controls are dead! What's wrong? Why isn't it moving?
Kamile: Begone from this world!
Scirocco: I...I won't die alone, I'm going to take your soul with me when I
go, Kamile Bidan.
顺便补一下最後一段吧。
: Scirocco被插死...
: 结论: Z最後决战应该是发生在农历7月.
我的结论是,这是一段有点突兀,但很能参照整个故事解读,也很有意思的故事,而
在诸多的诠释可能性中,卡到阴或是农历七月虽然好像是在搞笑,但却是最无趣的一
类解读。
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其实英文配音重制也有长处,他们常常不太照字翻,而非常会修饰突兀的语句。基本
上英文配音的版本的意思甚至比中译字幕还要清楚。
不过这类东西在youtube上是活不久的,因为人家版权也抓的严。
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※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.217.5 (09/13 22:15)
※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.217.5 (09/13 22:20)
※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.217.5 (09/13 22:25)
1F:推 owenkuo:推~ 09/13 22:28
2F:→ GroundWalker:让我想到之前在youtube上有08MS全集..虽然是英文版 09/13 22:34
3F:推 exodusx:其实 NT 只是有阴阳眼(大误) 09/14 00:06
※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.217.5 (09/14 00:52)
4F:推 uyn:其实英配版比较接近原作的意思啊~ ^^ 09/14 00:52
5F:→ uyn:上篇文纯搞笑来着~ 重点是在最後katz那句"他快来陪我们了" 09/14 00:53
6F:→ TMWSTW:也不是,只是字幕版本实在是有点……… 09/14 00:53
7F:→ uyn:然後sarah就接受katz的保证了,一付就水鬼7月抓交替的对话:p 09/14 00:54
8F:→ TMWSTW:english sub仍然通常不可靠,能听dub就听dub... 09/14 00:57
9F:→ TMWSTW:不然就学日文吧…orz 09/14 00:58
10F:推 linzeratul:精神体不死 09/14 02:22
11F:推 lcer:上篇原po怎麽看都是在轻松搞笑 干嘛再这边装认真挑毛病 09/14 06:17
12F:推 lcer:就搞笑翻译+KUSO注解娱乐一下 被你讲的这麽严重到底谁无聊 09/14 06:37
13F:推 lcer:英文版谁都知道是乱翻想装模作样纠正也是找美方代理商才对吧 09/14 06:43
14F:推 exodusx:我倒觉得上面的KUSO 我感受不到笑点... 09/14 06:52
15F:推 izna:听到Kats的台词只觉得...果然还是小鬼说话 小鬼比较能理解.. 09/14 12:33
16F:→ izna:我第一次看到那段剧情心里就毛了一下 (他马上就要来陪我们了~ 09/14 12:34
17F:→ TMWSTW:啊,很不好意思要说是搞笑也有点op了,这不是第一次了 09/14 17:24
18F:→ TMWSTW:不过我的确是火气大了点(好啦,您生气的话就当顺便看看 09/14 17:25
19F:→ TMWSTW:美版配音是怎麽样的就好了。 09/14 17:26
20F:→ TMWSTW:至於装…那倒不是装的,我一直是个死脑筋…这应当看得出来 09/14 17:28