作者JerryChanel (-:- 过往今昔 -:-)
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标题Re: [专栏] 史腾和媒体对AI做出最後的攻击
时间Mon Apr 19 07:53:35 2010
有种突然想入一下火坑的感觉0.0
大略翻一下 由於文章真的颇长 照文意翻 不照文法翻...
翻得不好处请大家包涵
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先说一下自己看完的心得:
其实这篇文章完全的单方面挺AI 然後把问题推给万恶史腾
虽然我是个不专业的AI迷
但对於这部份我也不是很认同 希望大家看看就好
不过文中自然也有些可供参考的地方 算是一些反向思考
不然也不用劳心神来翻了...
希望AI在还能打的情况下 不要放弃他最爱的篮球
让我们还有机会看到他在场上的拼劲与身影
对我来说: 真正的AI = 两个字 --------- 斗魂
一个为了信念而奋战的斗士...
============正文开始===========
※ 引述《lightmyfire ( )》之铭言:
: http://tinyurl.com/y5n2n27
: The Latest Attempts by David Stern and Media to Destroy Allen Iverson
: written on April 16, 2010 by Tyson C ( Correspondent )
来自David Stern和媒体, 企图摧毁AI的最新消息.
写於 4/16, 2010 by Tyson C
: Since I wrote this article
: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/296409-david-stern-took-this-too-far-the-operation-to-destroy-allen-iverson
: (abbreviated account
: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/286323-the-tragic-story-of-allen-iversonhow-media-and-nba-sabotaged-his-career)
: 5 months ago, the day A.I. announced his brief "retirement", detailing the
: series of events the media and NBA teams, under the instruction of presumably
: Stern, undertook to undermine, sabotage, and ultimately destroy Allen
: Iverson's legacy and career and the publication of this article 3 years ago
: that eerily predicted A.I.'s demise
: http://www.nykfanpage.com/editorials/viewarticle.php?articleid=215, a series
: of other events have occurred that further proved that people high up are out
: there to get A.I. and drive him out of the league at all cost. These new
: developments deserve to be scrutinized and analyzed at length with a new
: article.
自从我在五个月前, AI宣布他短暂"退休"时, 所写(连结中)的文章
详述了在Stern指示下, 媒体和NBA球队所做一系列事件,
目的是为了诋毁AI传奇生涯. 和早在三年前的这篇文章(连结中),
一系列其他为了将AI敢出联盟, 不惜一切的事件.
这些新来的发展值得被详细检视和分析,
也是我写这篇文章的原因.
: After this ESPN article
: http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/4937084, no one can dismiss
: this as a "conspiracy theory". We all know what Stern is capable of and he's
: the reason the NBA is no longer worth watching.
: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/370281-david-stern-the-reason-the-nba-is-no-longer-worth-watching
: Soon after his forced "retirement", there was suddenly an outpour of supports
: from loyal fans especially from the City of Philadelphia, old teammates such
: as Eric Snow and Aaron McKie, his former coaches and father figures such as
: Larry Brown and John Thompson who both encouraged him to return to the game
: that defines A.I. The major backlash was obviously a surprise to Stern. A.I.
: fans petitioned and campaigned their teams to sign the blackballed superstar.
在这篇来自ESPN的报导後(连结中),
没人能不去联想"阴谋论"的可能. 我们都知道Stern有这能耐,
也是NBA不再值得观看的原因.
在AI迫不得已的退休後, 突然间有很多忠实的支持者或粉丝, 尤其是来自费城的,
和像Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, Larry Brown, John Thompson等昔日队友与教练,
都支持他重回联盟, 重回属於他的舞台.
这波声援AI的大浪潮着实让Stern惊讶到了.
支持者们不断的请诉要求他们的球队(76人), 重新签回这位被柄弃的超级球星.
: When stat stuffer Lou Williams was injured, the Sixers, cornered by the fans,
: were forced to sign A.I. after he sat at home for a month lamenting that his
: career was officially sabotaged. There is one major catch to his signing,
: however. The contract was "non-guaranteed", which is essentially David
: Stern's way of saying that if you try to be the focal point and the superstar
: you are still capable of being again, you will be released. It is laughable
: that a man of A.I.'s talent and resume not only have to take the minimum, but
: a non-guaranteed contract. The Sixers slapped A.I. in the face and dissed the
: man who contributed so much to this franchise and this city with this clause.
: Ultimately, they were unwilling to let A.I. be A.I. That's why some fans were
: suggesting that A.I. was playing scared.
当Lou Williams受伤後, 76人考量到球迷的意愿和舆论的诉求,
在AI呆在家感叹球员生涯正式被摧毁的一个月後, 重新签回AI.
然而这次的签约有个附加条款.
那就是这纸合约将是"未保证约"
而这是Stern用来打压AI的手段, 示意AI要是打得再如超级球星一样好,
成为镁光灯焦点, AI将被再次赶出联盟. (Stern深知AI还能打)
一位像AI一样有才华和丰功伟业的球员, 不只得接受最低薪合约,
还是个未保证约, 这是很可笑的一件事.
这纸约就像打了AI一巴掌, 对这位带给这城市如此多贡献的人不敬.
最终, 他们也不愿让AI打得像AI.
而这也是为何有些球迷会说: AI带着恐惧在打球.
: The coach phased him out offensively despite him obviously being the most
: talented player on the team (the team is almost .500 with him including
: blowing 2 games with Iguodala and Carney missing wide open buzzer beaters,
: rarely losing by double digits. They were 5-15 and on a 10 game losing streak
: before he showed up and 6-19 after he left. For that alone, he's the MVP for
: the Sixers this year.
: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/371301-why-allen-iverson-is-the-mvp-for-the-sixers-this-year)
: After coming back to Philly after sitting out a month without conditioning or
: playing basketball and having the learn the Princeton offense on the fly,
: A.I. was immediately thrown into action and obviously developed arthritis and
: had to have his knee drained. The arthritis forced him in and out of the
: lineup, but when he did suit up, he had very limited shot attempts despite
: getting to the free throw line at a decent clip with the limited amount of
: touches he was getting nightly. The Sixers also showed improvement as soon as
: he signed. Despite all this, the media right now continues to insult A.I.'s
: stint with the Sixers this year as a "bust". Given the trying circumstances
: (no training camp, fitting in on the fly, arthritis resulted from getting
: immediately thrown into action after not playing for a month, and playing a
: limited role), A.I. still managed to make a winning impact.
尽管AI很明显是队上最有才华的球员, 教练仍逐步排除他限制他.
(有AI在的时候, 球队胜率接近五成, 而这包括了两场由Iguodala 和 Carney
执行最後一击未果输球, 和其间输球差距几乎在两位数之内. )
在AI重回76人之前, 该队的当时的战绩很不理想, 5-15
并处在十连败的状况中.
而在他离开球队之後, 76人的战绩一样不理想, 6-19
单就此来看的话, AI可算是76人今年的MVP.
在离开球场的一个月後, AI重回费城并尽全力融入进攻当中,
但这样突然暴增的运动量使得AI产生了关节炎的情况,
并严重到必须从膝盖抽出积水.
伤痛使得他没办法持续稳定地出场, 但只要在场上,
他仍努力控制自己的攻击欲望, 和以尽量适当的方式让自己站上罚球线.
在他的加盟後, 76人的战绩也立即有起色.
尽管有这些努力和成绩, 媒体现在仍持续地在羞辱AI, 指称这桩交易是个大失败.
但在这些内外不利的处境下, AI仍对球队胜利有着正面的影响.
: However, Iverson was not allowed to take the buzzer beater in January 8th 2
: points loss against the Raptors and the 1-point loss against the Knicks 5
: days later. Both games ended with his teammates missing wide open buzzer
: beaters when A.I. clearly should had been the one to take the shot or at
: least act as a decoy.
然而, AI在1/8以两分差败给暴龙, 和五天後以一分败给尼克的比赛中,
仍然没有取得最後一击的执行权.
两场比赛都以队友空档出手但未果的情况作为结束,
而当下AI很明显是该执行最後一击的那个人, 至少作个幌子诱骗对手.
: After Lou Williams came back from his injury, there was a lot of noise by the
: media hyping up Williams and how good his stats were. They started crying for
: Williams about how he "unfairly" lost his starting job even though the team
: was clearly better with A.I. starting than stat stuffer Lou Williams, who was
: with the team when they lost 10 in a row before A.I. arrived. Where are the
: media now when Williams needs them the most? He has been buried on the bench
: even after A.I. left the team. Isn't Lou's stats vastly superior to Jrue
: Holiday's? Why no love for Lou anymore now that the person starting in front
: of him is not named Allen Iverson? It happened with Rip Hamilton, Rodney
: Stuckey, Will Bynum, and Mike Conley. The media always brainwashes fans into
: thinking A.I. is now a bench player and whoever scrub who plays his position
: on that team that the media never previously cared about is somehow suddenly
: an irreplaceable player. The fact is everybody in the NBA can put up
: "fantasy-worthy" numbers when he is getting starter's minutes, but whether he
: could be efficient with it and whether the team is winning or not is the main
: issue. It is all about maximizing the potential of everyone on your roster.
在Lou归队之後, 媒体放出了很多捧Lou的消息并渲染他的帐面表现有多好.
他们开始为Lou大声疾呼, 说他受到了不公平的待遇, 被占去了先发的位置.
即使很明显球队战绩在AI先发的情况下比Lou先发好很多.
而在现在的此刻, Lou最需要他们的时刻, 这些媒体又到哪去了?
他已被埋在板凳上, 即便是AI已不在的此刻.
他的成绩不是比Holiday好吗?
为什麽挡在他前面的人不是Allen Iverson後, 他就没爱了?
同样的事也发生在Rip Hamilton, Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum, and Mike Conley身上
媒体总是在对球迷洗脑, 说AI现在是个板凳球员,
然後再塑造每个被AI卡住位置的球员都是不可替代的.
事实上就是在NBA, 每个球员都有能耐打先发, 只是效益上的差别罢了.
如何将手头名单上每个人的潜能发挥到极限才是重点.
: As A.I.'s return began to gain traction despite the media, Stern, and the
: front office's best effort to marginalize him, fans began to vote for him to
: the all-star game. I, for one, wrote an article urging real basketball fans
: to vote for A.I.
: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/317586-vote-allen-iverson-to-the-all-star-game,
: not based on his entire body of work, but for the winning impact he brought
: to the Sixers this year alone. It would not be far fetched at all if A.I.
: went through training camp with the Sixers, which would allow him to avoid
: arthritis, the Sixers would be competing with the Bucks and Bobcats for the
: 5th seed given that even a hobbled and marginalized Iverson can lead the
: Sixers to a record close to .500. The overrated Derrick Rose and Chris Bosh
: can't even lead their teams to .500 with far superior rosters. It is clear
: who the more valuable player is.
当AI的回归开始发挥影响力时, 尽管媒体和Stern努力的边缘化他,
球迷开始投票给他, 希望能送AI进全明星赛.
当时我也写了篇驱策球迷出来投票支持AI的文章.
这并非因为他的个人表现, 而是他带给球队胜利的正面影响.
如果AI有参加季前的训练营, 或许他就不会得到关节炎,
76人也将能和公鹿, 山猫(当时)竞争第五种子.
即使AI步履蹒跚和被边缘化, 他仍能使球队回到近五成的胜率,
这是Rose, Bosh在拥有更佳阵容下还做不到的事. (当时)
很明显谁是更有价值的球员.
: Yet as the ballot was about to close, the media, with dumb so-called
: "experts" aka Stern's cronies, bombarding fans hourly with hate-filled
: articles lashing out at the all-star voting process. They went as far as
: calling fans, the ones who pay them, "stupid" and "uneducated", yet they are
: the ones who are responsible for choosing role players like "Al Horford",
: "Jameer Nelson", "Mo Williams", "Rashard Lewis", and "Jamaal Magloire" to the
: all-star game. It was apparent that Stern had officially lost it at that
: time. All his effort to brainwash the fans into hating A.I. backfired and he
: was livid how popular A.I. still was despite almost 2 years of constant
: brainwashing claiming that A.I. is "washed up", "bench player", "role
: player", "team killer", "cancer", "loser", and every single name you can
: think of.
在投票尚未接近尾声时, 媒体又放话了, 一个自称Stern近交的"专家",
以充满仇恨的文章轰击球迷.
说这些NBA的衣食父母是未受教育的笨蛋, 投票给一些角色球员是在贬低明星赛.
这很明显是Stern的一场挫败, 铁青的面对他极力想洗脑球迷讨厌AI,
在将近两年以, 衰老力竭, 板凳球员, 角色球员, 球队杀手, 毒瘤, 输家...等字眼,
却换来AI仍广受欢迎的结果.
: The media was coming up with nonsensical rants hyping up stat
: stuffers like Monta Ellis, Tyreke Evans, Devin Harris, Danny Granger, and
: Rudy Gay, Stern's pet projects Derrick Rose, Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, Rajon
: Rondo while forgetting that perennial stat stuffing losers like Michael Redd,
: Kevin Martin, Corey Maggette, Jason Richardson, Elton Brand, Antawn Jamison,
: and Zach Randolph rarely make the team.
: Steve Nash, who was trashed by the media last year in favor of Chris Paul,
: Deron Williams, and Tony Parker and was snubbed by the all-star game in his
: own home court last year, was suddenly a media darling again simply because
: he was the only one with a realistic shot to overtake Tracy McGrady. (Stern's
: preferred choice, Paul, was too far behind in the votes.)
: A.I., with his contract now guaranteed and his play picking up (including a
: memorable duel with Kobe Bryant and the Lakers in late January. That was the
: last time he got 30 plus minutes.), claimed that all-star game is for the
: fans and felt he deserved to make the team. He openly thanked his fans on
: twitter and was adamant that he will attend the weekend's festivity. Larry
: Brown opined that A.I. deserved the nod. Just as A.I. seemed to be finally on
: his way back to prominence, he was gone. The official reason was that his
: daughter was deathly ill, but no one with half a brain cell would buy that.
媒体开始莫名其妙的捧其他球星以转移焦点, 如Monta Ellis, Tyreke Evans, Devin Harris, Danny Granger, and
Rudy Gay. Stern 也计划以Derrick Rose, Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, Rajon Rondo
等人来取代那些没办法成大器的球星, 如Michael Redd, Kevin Martin, Corey Maggette, Jason Richardson, Elton Brand, Antawn Jamison,
and Zach Randolph.
拿Nash作例子, 去年在媒体上失宠於CP3, Deron Williams, and Tony Parker,
甚至没办法进在自家举行的明星赛, 在今年又突然成为宠儿进入明星赛.
只是因为他是能取代T-Mac出赛的唯一人选. (史腾所爱的 CP3今年票数差太远了)
AI在当时的合约已成为正式保证约, 表现也有目共睹( 包括了那场和Kobe对轰的比赛,
那也是他最後一次得到30分钟以上的出场时间. )
他声称明星赛是办给球迷看的, 也觉得他应该出场明星赛.
他在twitter上 公开感谢支持他的球迷, 并也坚称他一定会出席明星赛.
Larry Brown 也公开表示他值得这肯定.
而就在AI准备回到突出顶点的时刻, 他又消失了.
官方声称是因为他的女儿重病了, 但没有人会傻到相信这鬼话.
: Someone high up forced him to leave just so he wouldn't be at the all-star
: game. Can you picture A.I. at the all-star game and accepting the MVP of the
: game from Stern? Just as the picture of Mark Cuban accepting the championship
: trophy from David Stern, Stern would never allow this to happen. Upset that
: his plan to make the fans hate A.I. did not work, he forced A.I. out of the
: all-star game and ultimately the NBA altogether.
: Interestingly enough, the day after the all-star game, A.I. was back in
: uniform. He played 3 more games, getting limited minutes and offensive
: touches. Then, presumably frustrated and disillusioned with the politics of
: the NBA, he left the team again.
某个高层人士迫使他放弃出席明星赛.
你能想像AI在明星赛中爆发并从史腾手中接过MVP 的景象吗?
就像让Cuban 从他手中接过冠军盃一样, 史腾是不会让它发生的.
够有趣的是, 在明星赛後的第一场比赛, AI就归队了.
此後他在上场时间受限的情况下又打了三场比赛.
然後, 无预警的, 他带着挫折与顿悟再次了离开人们视线.
: From then on, the media seems to realize that the time is ripe again to keep
: beating a dead horse. First, report sufficed that A.I.'s wife had filed for
: divorce. A development that has nothing to do with basketball. Yet, for the
: first time ever, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, NBA.com all became TMZ and tabloids
: sites. Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kenyon Martin are
: just a few well-known NBA players who went through divorce or marital
: problems in recent years. It had nothing to do with basketball. It did not
: affect their performances on the court. It was also largely ignored by the
: sports media. How is A.I.'s situation any different?
从那之後, 媒体似乎理解到鞭屍这匹死马的机会又来了.
首先强力报导了AI老婆要和他签离婚协议的新闻.
一件和篮球没有直接关系的新闻.
首无前例的, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, NBA.com通通都变成了名人八挂网站.
Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kenyon Martin
在这几年都有相同的婚姻问题, 甚至离婚了, 而这还只是少数知名的球星.
这和篮球一点关系也没有.
这也并没有影响到他们在场上的表现.
这更没有被媒体大肆报导.
何以AI遭受的情况就这麽不一样?
: A few days later, journalist Stephen A. Smith, a basketball insider who has
: connection to all the power brokers in the NBA, used the most boring and
: overplayed argument by detractors of A.I. that Iverson was "gambling and
: drinking his life away". First of all, plenty of NBA players have similar
: problems including Michael Jordan, whose gambling problems was a subject of a
: probe in the early '90s
: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/18/sports/pro-football-jordan-gambling-saga-has-new-twist-taylor.html?pagewanted=1.
: Furthermore, A.I., like many other superstars in the NBA, has been drinking
: and gambling his entire career. How is this news worthy? It has nothing to do
: with basketball. It doesn't have any relevance to his play on the court or
: the fact that he is getting blackballed, unfairly targeted by the media, and
: marginalized by his team. Aside from the fact that this story will act as
: justification to the fans when no team will sign A.I. this offseason and a
: mean to further derail his career and legacy, I fail to see any other purpose.
几天之後, 专栏作家Stephen A. Smith, 一位和NBA知名经纪人们很有交集的人,
用了最无聊也过火的批判去诋毁AI, 指称AI沉沦在赌博和酗酒中无法自拔.
对此首先,
很多的NBA球员都有相同的问题, 包括了MJ在90年代早期也一样.
他们也是整个球员生涯都会赌博会喝酒.
这算哪门子有价值的新闻?
再次的和篮球一点关系也没有.
事实是, 当AI消失在这舞台时, 这会是人们对他很好的批判藉口和理由.
对他的整个职业生涯和传奇, 更是最大的毁损,
我看不出这样的报导有任何其他的目的或用意.
: The newest story related to A.I. reveals that it was Michael Jordan, the
: golden child of Stern in the '90s and a guy who obviously has direct access
: to Stern, who prevented Larry Brown from reuniting with Allen Iverson. It is
: really no surprise at all given that Jordan is obviously part of Stern's
: inner circle. All these subsequent developments since my last article only
: make me more convinced that Stern is personally responsible for derailing
: A.I.'s career.
最新有关AI的消息就是MJ阻止Brown重新签下AI的可能性.
这位史腾在90年代的金童, 很明显的和史腾有密切的关连.
他很明显和史腾是同挂的, 这一点也不令人意外.
在我最近文章後的这些发展, 让我更加相信史腾对AI生涯的诋毁与结束,
要付最大的责任.
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呼..........好累= =
文意大致上是如此 细部单字或文法可能配合文意没细翻就请看倌包涵..
个人觉得这是一篇很偏激的文章.... 大家瞄瞄就好
AI老化也是事实 (当然还能打也是事实)
立场一面倒的文章 我相信大家自有判断能力...
能把史腾写成阴狠到无可附加..我也满佩服就是了 噗
但一个人的生命 生活都是自己的 第一个该面对该负责的 我相信是自己
而不是别人
此文虽摆明挺AI 但若AI是我们一直以来所认知所支持的那个AI
我反而觉得文中某些部份 反倒看扁了AI 也对AI的形象给予了反效果
以上 大家早安... <摊倒>
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1F:推 kkman1:推 04/19 08:36
2F:推 PETERIVERSON:推 04/19 09:08
3F:推 nbahoop:推 04/19 10:04
4F:推 shinyu03:推测的还蛮有理的 每次都在关键时刻给AI致命一击 04/19 10:07
5F:推 windtalker22: 04/19 10:39
6F:推 haluspud:辛苦了! 04/19 11:39
7F:推 squallyo:敬礼!!! 辛苦了!!! 04/19 12:14
8F:推 Paraguay:大推翻译 推推! 04/19 12:43
9F:推 lightmyfire:怎麽办?我认为蛮有道理 04/19 12:47
10F:推 E5:马的不要欺负我们家小艾艾 04/19 13:20
11F:→ E5:可恶的坏蛋 04/19 13:20
12F:推 aimjvc:推!! 04/19 13:37
13F:推 momofishj:推.. 04/19 13:38
14F:推 qq955166:推!! 我也是怎麽看怎麽有道理 04/19 13:47
15F:推 lemonstar:翻得很不错..推一下 04/19 13:50
16F:推 lightmyfire:举例 看AI在七六的比赛就知道,达叔的调度蠢的一个很 04/19 14:12
17F:→ lightmyfire:不自然。往往是AI连续投进好几球,就喊暂停换他下来 04/19 14:12
18F:→ lightmyfire:那时候版上也一直在骂,蠢到不可思议。 04/19 14:13
19F:推 adonM:不管史腾是不是 至少他说媒体的部分非常好 离婚? 酗酒?XD 04/19 14:42
20F:→ adonM:还有捧所有档在AI前面的球员 这些球员当然是很好的球员 04/19 14:43
21F:→ adonM:但是AI离开了 他们还有爱吗XD 媒体...阴的太明显 04/19 14:44
22F:推 WBYY:反正MJ被吃那球我一直记得 04/19 14:44
23F:推 Isoroku5566:同意,媒体阴的太明显。 AI一离开那些说被打压的选手 04/19 15:07
24F:→ Isoroku5566:出手数被影响的选手,表现也没差别到哪边去。 04/19 15:07
25F:推 wsx456:推翻译@@ 04/19 16:16
26F:推 answerai3:看完只觉中肯推~~ 04/19 16:29
27F:→ shinyu03:史腾一句话可以杀死一个人 大欧离婚两天就没消息了 04/19 17:17
28F:→ shinyu03:AI就不知道传多久 04/19 17:17
29F:推 xshowfan:大欧牌子比AI小啊 04/19 18:09
30F:推 freijaking:猜测都是有可能猜对的,但是我不懂阿为何Stern要搞他 04/20 00:16
31F:→ freijaking:不过没出席明星赛真的是...若真的史腾想搞他,看到他到 04/20 00:17
32F:→ freijaking:今年冲上ASG先发不应该有那种念头阿..好好捧拿$$不好嘛 04/20 00:18
33F:→ JerryChanel:同f大所想 :) 04/20 00:54
34F:→ E5:没办法 小艾太不乖了 史藤喜欢乖乖牌 04/20 00:57
35F:推 rukawa514:谢谢你努力翻完 我等下寄税前500P给你 聊表心意 04/20 02:14
36F:推 chunyu0720:我要我的AI 04/20 03:13
37F:推 cvincent:感谢翻译 04/21 03:05
38F:推 Louto:MVP是最有"价值"球员,这种状况被球迷选进明星赛有很偏机吗? 04/21 13:11
感谢一下Louto大 让我回去再看一次原文
原文写的是more 并非你我认为的MVP...
这是我的疏忽跟大家道歉
降子文意就很通畅了~ 该处也没有偏激与否的问题...
至於我原本讲得偏激 指得并非AI进明星赛这回事
而是拿Rose Bosh的情况来比较就说AI因此是MVP 这也挺太over
但当然这些现在都没意义 因为原文根本并非写 MVP...
不过还是解释一下我说偏激的点在哪
我也是AI迷 单纯只是希望大家迷归迷 也要保持一颗澄明的心去看待事理
不然不就跟总板那些酸民一样了吗 以上:)
※ 编辑: JerryChanel 来自: 68.41.137.167 (04/21 14:01)
39F:推 Paraguay:更正後第一推XDD 04/21 15:02
40F:→ momofishj:第二...阿 我没推了 XD 04/21 21:06
41F:→ JerryChanel:谢谢你们!!! 04/22 01:52
42F:推 Lenny115:我有推我有推!帮楼楼上补一个XD 04/28 01:13