作者senaswong (senaswong)
看板Jeremy_Lin
标题[外絮] 把JLin放在替补使湖人更好吗?
时间Fri Dec 19 05:08:31 2014
Has benching Jeremy Lin improved the Lakers?
By Harrison Faigen
http://ppt.cc/yb8O 出自SB Nation silverscreenandroll.com
节省时间以下重点式翻译:
When Los Angeles Lakers coach Byron Scott made his decision to change the
starting lineup -- sitting Carlos Boozer and Jeremy Lin down to be replaced
by Ed Davis and Ronnie Price -- he was widely mocked (by yours truly
included). Since losing in their debut, the new lineup has gone 3-2 since the
change, including a three-game winning streak sandwiched in between two
losses.
The Lakers did post a seemingly quality win over the San Antonio Spurs
(albeit while Tony Parker was not at his best or healthiest), but otherwise
have beaten up on one of the dregs of the league in Minnesota, as well as a
mediocre Sacramento outfit literally plagued with viral meningitis to it's
best player. That these wins came between blowout losses to a mediocre New
Orleans Pelicans team and a just-plain-bad Indiana one, coupled with the wins
all being fairly close in margin against weak teams, it leaves one thinking
that any assertions this is a sustainable performance improvement is
extremely premature. This seems especially true when considering the smaller
sample size of performance in which to assess the new starters (106 minutes)
versus the old ones (337). With all of these contextual factors out in the
open, let's compare, and more specifically look at the performance of Jeremy
Lin and Ronnie Price.
当史考特决定用Price和Davis换Lin跟Boozer时遭到很多嘲笑,替换之後战绩3-2。湖人
赢了Parker非完全健康的马刺,烂队灰狼,和有个好球员生病的国王。但被中等球队
鹈鹕和中下的溜马爆掉。这代表湖人表现进步了吗? 这是一个小样本,现在来比较一
下新旧阵容,特别是Lin和Pirce。
Jeremy Lin may "regret" his play thus far, but when looking at his individual
numbers and the Lakers primary alternative at the point, it's hard to. Lin
has certainly been better than Price. Lin's field goal percentage (42.5),
effective field goal percentage (48.1) and three point percentage (33.8) are
significantly higher than Price's (29.1%, 34.5% and 22.9%, respectively).
While Lin does have a significantly worse AST/TO ratio (1.98 assists for
every turnover compared to Price's 3.36), part of this is a sort of
"creativity tax," i.e. that Lin is more often asked to create opportunities
for teammates, whereas Price is more often just making a simple entry pass or
moving the ball along in the offense.
Lin很後悔他的表现,其实不用,Lin绝对优於Price(进攻数据),Lin的助攻失误比远
低於Price,但这是因为他在进攻的创造力使然,Lin经常制造机会给队友,而Pirce
只是为传球而传球单纯只是让球流动。
However, when looking at statistics that factor in team performance, one can
certainly make a case for Price starting over Lin. The two players' offensive
ratings are separated by a mere .6, a small enough number to be statistically
insignificant, but Price's defensive rating (106.9) is much better than Lin's
(113). This information strongly fits the established narrative of Price's
defensive superiority. Price shifted into the starting lineup at the same
time as Davis (who is the Lakers one player who could be graded as a
defensive plus), whereas Lin has played more alongside Boozer, whose defense
consists of attempting to kick the ball out of bounds on pick-and-rolls,
trying to distract players with the gleam from his head, and a LOT of
screaming. Given these have been their standard big man pairings whether they
are starting or on the bench, it's hard to definitively separate who is
responsible for these numbers just by looking at the statistics.
只有一个数据能使Price看起来比Lin好那就是Defensive Rating,Price 106.9好於Lin
的113,这个数据应证了Pirce比较会防守这句话。然而跟Price移到先发的还有Ed Davis
,他在防守端是一个正影响,跟Lin搭配的是一个防守时会把球踢到界外,试图用光头
让对手分心,和乱吼去扰乱的Boozer,基於这点,很难从数据上去分别到底防守是Lin
比较好还是Pirce。
When judging by the eye test, it's easy to see Jeremy Lin is a far more
skilled offensive player than Ronnie Price. He has great speed both in
transition and on drives to the rim, although the effectiveness of both has
been hampered by how the paint is clogged with bodies due to the Lakers lack
of spacing. This is in stark contrast to how Price doesn't seem to do
anything particularly well on offense other than give the ball to Kobe and
get out of the way. On defense, Price does appear to be a marginally better
defender than Lin, definitely more of a pest in how he is constantly trying
to steal the ball at every opportunity, although neither of them can even
charitably be described as good on that end. When judging by watching them in
conjunction with the stats, it seems clear that most of Price's massive
advantage on Lin in defensive rating is likely due to playing alongside
superior defensive personnel (Davis).
没有近视的话应该很容易看出Lin的进攻技巧要比Price高上非常多,Lin在transition
和切入速度很快,虽然它的效用在禁区因为湖人没有spacing挤满防守大个而被影响
,这跟Price只会球给Kobe有着相当大的差距,在防守端Price比较恼人和爱抄截看似比
Lin好,但其实攻防两端都无法被称为好。就数据而言Price会比Lin好也不过就是因为
Price跟Ed Davis搭配罢了。
Another factor to consider in all of this is whether using a 36-year old Kobe
Bryant as the lone creator in the starting five is a wise move. Bryant was
already beginning to speak about, and show, signs of fatigue. Having him work
as the center of gravity in an offensive lineup that doesn't have a single
other player that can be counted on to generate their own shot is not going
to help him get his legs back under him. Kobe seems to be making questionable
passes and coming up short on a lot of his jump shots late in games. This is
where Lin could probably help the most, as his offensive talents should take
some of the burden off Kobe in more creatively designed offensive sets,
possibly in conjunction with Nick Young providing spacing with his
three-point shooting.
另一个考量是老普的先发是为了要给Kobe投球,但看得出Kobe身体的倦怠,进攻上全
部仰赖Kobe没有其他人可以帮他会让他更累,Kobe在比赛末端传球造成一堆失误,
投篮偏短,Lin在进攻端的天赋可以帮助Kobe不要这麽累,也许搭上一个Young拉开
空间。
All of this begs the question: How have the new starters as a whole fared
compared to the old ones? The Lin-Boozer-Bryant-Johnson-Hill lineup posted an
offensive rating of 102.7 and defensive rating of 117.7 for a net rating of
-15. That is .... not good. However, the new lineup, swapping Price and Davis
for Lin and Boozer has only been marginally more effective, with offensive,
defensive, and net ratings of 98.6, 111.1, and -12.5. That 98.6 offensive
rating would put the Lakers in possession of the sixth-worst offense in the
league. The 111.1 defensive rating posted by this new group would still be
the worst in the league, which the Lakers are seemingly going to finish with
no matter what this year. If that is the case, I personally would rather
watch a slightly more effective offense than the Kobe-killing brick-fest we
are currently witnessing.
That is why I would argue for experimenting with starting Lin over Price,
while keeping the Davis over Boozer swap, and seeing if that could help Los
Angeles maintain the defensive "improvement" (if one can even call it that)
while also getting a slight up-tick in offense as well. Regardless of any
changes though, it is clear there aren't many options for lineups on this
wretched team, and it will likely continue to be one of the league's worst
outfits for the entire season. Byron has the right idea in defense being the
main problem, but there's not much that can be done with this roster.
问题来了,到底变阵有变好吗? 旧的阵容offensive rating 102.7, defensive rating
117.7,新的阵容off rat 98.6, def rat 111.1,所以新的阵容把进攻搞成倒数第六烂
,而防守还是一样最烂。我个人还宁愿看进攻效率较好的比赛而不是Kobe打铁秀。
这是我为何不支持Lin被Pirce取代但支持Ed Davis换Boozer,这会让湖人队防守进步
进攻也稍微进步。 虽然怎麽变这阵容还是一样没救。
感想: 这篇文章只是更加证明把Lin变替补会变好是一个假议题拉...当球迷白X喔..
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1F:推 gghh : BS 从开季Nash受伤就说要让老普先发了 12/19 05:33
2F:→ gghh : 後来老普也受伤才不得不让林先发不是吗? 12/19 05:33
3F:推 jslinbb : 我觉得是在挺林耶,只有我这样觉得吗>< 12/19 05:56
4F:推 gidapops : 老圃跟hill都会自动找kb 绝不传给lin 12/19 07:01
5F:→ gidapops : lin却常找非kb的人(因为kb会常被盯)传 应该有关系 12/19 07:02
6F:→ gidapops : 所以大家会看到球出去就回不来,其实都到kb或被投掉 12/19 07:02
7F:→ gidapops : 接到lin的球的人除ED外 看到kb要球立马传过去 否则 12/19 07:03
8F:→ gidapops : 就是帮自己刷成绩的大好机会 快投喔 媒人抢篮板 12/19 07:04
9F:→ boyd1014 : 1.球给老大 2.不给老大,进 3.不给老大,不进. 12/19 07:53
10F:→ boyd1014 : 1加分2不扣分3出现太多就会有问题,老普乖乖选1~ 12/19 07:54
11F:推 paris0826 : 用光头吓人防守是哪招??? 12/19 08:51
12F:→ ddfg : 球队一直输球成绩大好大坏 所以让BS找到藉口 12/19 09:27
13F:推 ts0821 : 豪哥 >>>> 老圃 没什麽好讲的...重点在老大... 12/19 09:46
14F:→ ddfg : 不过高层应该希望由老大打英雄球 冲高人气 12/19 09:55
15F:→ ddfg : 第四节关键持球率比重增加很多 不过命中率就是如此 12/19 09:56
16F:推 jasd : 这两场林的史诗外线命中率带坏他的行情,也让他一起 12/19 09:58
17F:→ jasd : 扛了这败战黑锅,这是不可避免而他也一并扛起了 12/19 09:59
18F:→ jasd : 等林的外线回复到以往4成命中水准後,接下来又会是 12/19 10:00
19F:→ ddfg : 球队给他定位不明 命中率影响很正常 过几场才会正常 12/19 10:00
20F:→ jasd : 各种交易带风向的媒体消息了,湖人记者总是要吃饭的 12/19 10:00
21F:→ jasd : 个人认为跟定向不明关系不大,毕竟有好几球都是定点 12/19 10:03
22F:→ jasd : 空档的机会,但他没把握住 12/19 10:03
23F:→ ddfg : 定位跟定点不一样=.=" 还得要重新磨合替补阵容 12/19 10:04
24F:推 neos042 : 季初打得都是一级强队,最近这一波的对手确实较弱! 12/19 10:05
25F:→ ddfg : 这几场赢的几乎都是伤兵球队 12/19 10:06
26F:推 jasd : 额,定位不明是指先发替补、出场时间不固定对吧... 12/19 10:07
27F:→ jasd : 那根外线空档命中不佳的确没关系啊... 12/19 10:07
28F:→ ddfg : 不是 各种原因 12/19 10:08
29F:推 ake1234 : 林先把季初的准度找回来吧 最近命中真的很惨 12/19 10:12
30F:推 allofme : 命中率找会来+1,不管定位如何,至少命中率不要一 12/19 10:20
31F:→ allofme : 直下修 12/19 10:20
32F:推 donnylee : 大家都知道,不是吗?只是bs拉不下臭脸承认而已 12/19 10:56
33F:推 playing808 : 推翻译 12/19 10:58
34F:推 WYchuang : 都没在检讨先发的Price 简直莫名其妙 12/19 11:10
35F:→ WYchuang : 打完就一堆人在说Lin如何如何 先发都很好就是了 =.= 12/19 11:11
36F:→ ddfg : 因为老普懂得过半场给球给kobe 当然没这个问题 12/19 11:15
37F:推 gidapops : 老普干得好 让kobe舒爽 12/19 11:16
38F:推 donny1 : 老普领的钱太少没必要检讨XD 12/19 11:19
39F:推 JeremyKSKGA : 本篇写得很中肯 12/19 11:24
40F:推 turbomons : 感谢翻译 12/19 12:10
41F:→ akthebest : 感谢翻译 12/19 12:13
42F:推 peggie : 感谢翻译 12/19 12:21
43F:推 drgraffiti : 推翻译,然後这篇根本证明教练眼睛大概瞎了 12/19 13:28
44F:推 jt : 感谢翻译 12/19 14:24
45F:推 Evelyn9056 : 球给老大才是真的 其他有的没的都是藉口 12/19 15:46
46F:→ BadGame : 卖票 保护好 不能太拼命防守漏洞 有伤怎麽办 12/19 16:07
47F:推 b551122 : 感谢翻译 12/19 16:47
49F:→ senaswong : 结论现在第二阵容进攻防守都比第一阵容好 (从offens 12/19 17:48
50F:→ senaswong : e/defense eff+-来看第二阵容完胜), 第二阵容是换阵 12/19 17:49
51F:→ senaswong : 後湖人还能赢三场的原因..... 12/19 17:50
52F:→ senaswong : 当然Lin扮演很重要脚色 12/19 17:52
53F:推 hojoe : 想看LIN和ED搭配 啊哩呜还是比较爽 12/19 18:02
54F:推 miha80425 : 没啥好说的 给数据 下替补的这五场 先发Deff -19 12/19 18:02
55F:→ miha80425 : 替补 Deff +8 联盟还可以排到第8 12/19 18:03
56F:推 miha80425 : 整季数据 先发-16.2 替补-0.8 变化之快速... 12/19 18:09
57F:推 gm79227922 : 林替补对湖人比较好 在状元之路上 12/19 18:17
※ 编辑: senaswong (184.180.220.229), 12/19/2014 18:19:32
58F:→ FairyBomb : 其实也没啥好讨论的,Lin的影响力就放在那,虽然不 12/19 18:38
59F:→ FairyBomb : 是什麽明星巨星,但BS能用成这样也不简单了.. 12/19 18:38
60F:→ ddfg : BS就看牌子办事 而不会有效利用老大优势及更有效得 12/19 22:46
61F:→ ddfg : 分方式 任由老大打铁 也不敢吭一声 12/19 22:46
62F:→ boyd1014 : 替补可以阿~~但至少要有30分钟以上 12/22 21:56