https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6824483/2025/11/20/lakers-jesse-buss-fired-jeanie-mark-walter/?source=user_shared_article Jesse Buss opens up on Lakers’ firing and feeling like he was treated as ‘an enemy’ 洛杉矶湖人队在周四早上解除部分持股人 Joey 和 Jesse Buss 在球队篮球营运部门中的职务，联盟消息人士告诉《The Athletic》。 Joey Buss 一直担任湖人队的替补代表（alternate governor 主席珍妮没空的时候，代表湖人参与联盟的老板会议）、研发部副总裁，以及球队 G League 附属球队南湾湖人的总管。 Jesse Buss 则是球队的助理总经理兼球探部门总监。 在球队透过 CFO Joe McCormack 立即解雇这对兄弟之後不久，《The Athletic》便与 Jesse Buss 对谈这项决定、他在前台角色的弱化、一种未被公开的疾病带来的影响——这种病让他有时无法进体育馆——以及他本人与球团未来的走向。 （编按：本访谈经过整理与编辑，以求内容清晰。） You said the writing was on the wall when the team was sold this past summer. Why did you feel that way, like there would no longer be a place for you in the front office? 你说，当球队在今年夏天被卖掉的时候，你就觉得木已成舟。为什麽你会觉得，以後在前台已经不会再有你的位置？ I think typically that’s how things go, and you know, whenever a franchise is sold, there’s a restructuring of the basketball operations department. Obviously, over the last two years, I’ve been dealing with quite a bit of health issues. I’m currently undergoing treatment for that. And I kind of noticed around the same time that things were different within our organization, within the front office and just the basketball operations department. I kind of felt siloed quite a bit, dating back to before, I guess, the 2023 draft. And I kind of didn’t think much of it. 我觉得一般来说事情就是这样发展的。你也知道，只要一支球队被卖掉，篮球营运部门一定会进行重组。 很明显，在过去两年里，我一直在处理不少健康问题。现在我也仍在接受治疗。 然後我大概也是在那段时间开始注意到，我们球团内部、前台，甚至整个篮球营运部门的氛围都不太一样了。 从大概 2023 年选秀会之前开始，我就觉得自己被蛮明显地孤立起来了。 但一开始我没有太往心里去。 But as time went on and there was a lack of communication between not only my sister and I, but the organization as a whole while I was combating various health issues, I kind of felt like the writing was on the wall. The sale of the team happening kind of more or less just solidified it in my mind. And I just more or less expected it. Obviously this is a job I’ve loved for a very long time. And I love this organization. I love the fans. I love the city of Los Angeles. It’s pretty much all I’ve known my entire life. 但随着时间过去，在我对抗各种健康问题的同时，不光是我和我姊姊之间，整个球团内部的沟通都越来越少，我就越来越觉得「墙上已经写明白了」（木已成舟）。 球队被出售这件事，多少只是把我心里原本的想法给「盖棺定论」而已。 所以我其实多半早就有心理准备了。 很显然，这份工作是我非常非常长时间以来热爱的。 我爱这支球队、爱这个组织，也爱这些球迷，爱洛杉矶这座城市。 这几乎就是我一生所熟悉的一切。 What’s been your favorite part of the job? 在这份工作里，你最喜欢的部分是什麽？ I think it’s just a camaraderie you build between people that are in similar positions across the league, not only within our own organization, but scouts across the league that you see oftentimes when scouting games. I love to be able to see a player from, when they’re first drafted into the NBA, grow and become even better players. That part of the job was always very exciting, just seeing the natural development of these amazing talents. It was just a wonderful thing to watch. 我觉得，是你在整个联盟里跟各种担任类似职位的人之间建立起来的那种「同袍感」。 不只是在我们自己的球团内部，还包括全联盟其他球队的球探们——在去看比赛、考察球员时常会碰到那些人。 我很喜欢看到一位球员从刚被 NBA 选进来开始，一路成长、变成更好的球员。这份工作里的这个部分一直都让我很兴奋——看着这些惊人的天赋自然发展、逐步成形，这是件非常美好的事情。 How have you tried to stay involved despite not being able to travel and do what you’ve wanted to do? 在没办法出差、也不能像以前那样做你想做的事时，你是怎麽努力维持自己的参与度的？ Yeah, I mean, luckily during COVID-(19) when we were pretty much unable to travel, we had to think of creative ways in order to stay engaged (for) the college season. The 2020-21 season progressed, and a lot of that was just done on film. So one of the silver linings of not traveling is I got to do additional film work, and just was able to stay up to date with my scouts in the day-to-day. 嗯，是这样的。还好在 COVID-19 那段时间，我们基本上也都不能出差，我们那时候就必须想一些有创意的方式，来在大学赛季期间保持参与度。 随着 2020-21 赛季进行，很多工作都是透过影片来完成的。 所以，不用旅行这件事的「一点点好处」是，我可以做更多的影片研究，也可以每天都跟我底下的球探保持最新进度。 And my staff, obviously, made it easy to do the job because of how passionate they were. I know at times over the last decade, I haven’t necessarily always seen eye-to-eye with management and leadership when it comes to certain decisions that were made. But being able to communicate with my staff for the last two years and just talk about the game that we all love has been a great distraction for me. 我的团队也让这份工作变得比较容易，因为他们都非常有热情。我知道，在过去十年间，有时候我在一些决策上并不一定总是和管理层、领导层看法一致。但在过去这两年里，能够持续跟我的团队沟通、聊我们都热爱的这项运动，对我来说是很大的精神支撑，也是一种很好的转移注意力的方式。 Can you be more specific about ways you felt like your voice was heard before and was being heard less (now)? 你可以更具体地说说，你以前觉得自己声音被听见、而现在被听见得比较少，是在哪些方面吗？ More or less, you start to hear about what the team is doing through the media as opposed to being told by any member of the front office or organization. Not having any discussions in regards to player personnel, not communicating outside of my staff about the draft and ultimately watching decisions made that I wasn’t really informed of at the time. Obviously, I want what’s best for the Lakers, first and foremost, because this is a team I’ve watched my entire life and I’ve always loved. And I’m very happy to see them doing really well right now this season. 大致来说，就是你开始是从媒体那里知道球队在做什麽，而不是由前台或球团里任何人来告诉你。 在球员人事方面没有任何讨论，在选秀上除了我自己的团队之外也没有任何其他层面的沟通，最後只能看着一些决策被做出，而在当下我其实并没有被真正告知。 当然，最重要的是，我始终希望对湖人队来说是最好的结果，因为这是我一辈子看着长大的球队，也是我一直热爱的球队。 而看到他们这个赛季打得这麽好，我也真的很替他们开心。 Is that bittersweet right now? 那这对你来说，现在是不是有点「五味杂陈」？ No, not at all. I don’t think it’s bittersweet because first and foremost, I’m a Lakers fan. When it comes down to it, even if I’m not part of the organization in any capacity, I’m always gonna root for this team. And obviously I root for players that Joey and I had a part of bringing in on the team, such as Austin (Reaves) and Rui (Hachimura). 不，一点也不。我不觉得是苦乐参半，因为最根本来说，我就是一个湖人球迷。 说到底，就算我不再以任何身分待在这个组织里，我还是会永远为这支球队加油。 而且很显然，我也会特别替那些 Joey 和我曾经参与带进来的球员加油，比方说 Austin（Reaves）跟 Rui（八村）。 What’s next for you in basketball? 在篮球方面，你接下来的打算是什麽？ As long as we still have our ownership shares within the trust for the Buss family, we’re unable to work for another (team) or, I guess, be a part of another NBA team in terms of basketball. But there’s basketball at every single level, and the youth basketball is something that I’ve really taken to, watching both my sons grow and develop, and love the game. And also, giving an opportunity for many kids who deserve the best coaching and development in the world because they have a bright future in the game. 只要我们在 Buss 家族的信托里还持有球队股份，我们就不能替其他球队工作，或者说，不能在篮球方面成为另一支 NBA 球队的一份子。 但篮球其实存在於每一个层级。青少年篮球是我现在非常投入的一块，一边看着我两个儿子在场上成长、发展、爱上这项运动，同时也希望能给很多有潜力的孩子机会——他们值得世界上最好的教练与培养，因为他们在篮球上有很光明的未来。 As far as Buss Sports Capital goes, that’s something that Joey and I created, and we were fortunate enough to do so in order to look into other sports interests not just exclusive to basketball. We’ve already had many conversations with multiple teams from multiple leagues about potentially looking into things we could get into. 至於 Buss Sports Capital，那是 Joey 和我一起创立的。我们很幸运能够这麽做，好让我们可以去探索一些不只限於篮球、也包含其他运动的投资与兴趣。我们已经和不同联盟里的多支球队有过不少对话，在讨论未来我们可能可以投入的各种可能性。 Today, you didn’t speak to your sister Jeanie or GM Rob Pelinka? Did they give you an explanation today? 今天你没有跟你姊姊 Jeanie 或是总管 Rob Pelinka 说话吗？他们今天有给你什麽解释吗？ No, I haven’t spoken to either of them in … five months. 没有，我已经……有五个月没有跟他们两位说过话了。 Do you remember why? 你记得为什麽会变成这样吗？ Yeah. Jeanie informed me that there would be a vote on the sale of the team. And with Rob, he just informed me of who we would be drafting, which is pretty consistent with how it’s gone in the last couple years. 记得。Jeanie 那时候只是告诉我，会针对出售球队这件事进行表决。至於 Rob，他只是通知我我们会选哪位球员而已——这其实也和过去几年的情况蛮一致的。 Do you think the sports capital group you started with Joey furthered any rifts with Jeanie? 你觉得你和 Joey 一起创立的这个 sports capital（运动投资）公司，有没有让你和 Jeanie 之间的嫌隙变得更大？ I couldn’t answer that question. I think that’s something you’d have to ask Jeanie. 这个问题我没办法回答。我觉得这应该要去问 Jeanie。 But it was meant, in no shape or form, to be a threat to her or any of my siblings. It’s just something that Joey and I wanted a partner on. And obviously, Joey and I, we’re best friends. Whatever he’s involved in, I want to be involved in, and whatever I’m involved in, he wants to be involved in. So it’s only natural that we continue working together in multiple different capacities, just like my dad would’ve wanted us to do. 但那家公司在任何形式上，都不是想要对她或任何一位手足造成威胁。那只是 Joey 和我想一起合作的一件事而已。 很明显，Joey 和我是最好的朋友。他参与的任何东西，我都想一起参与；我参与的任何东西，他也会想一起参与。 所以，我们在不同的角色上继续一起工作，是很自然的事——就像我爸爸当年也会希望我们这麽做一样。 You wondered what your dad would make of all of this. When you talked to him about his sort of vision for you and Joey with the organization, what was it? 你说过你也会想，如果你爸爸看到现在这一切会怎麽想。 当年你和他聊到他对你和 Joey 在这个球团里的期待与规划时，他是怎麽说的？ It was to run the basketball operations department one day, and that was something that was discussed over 15 years ago. And what he had told me at the time was that he wanted Jimmy to retire at some point within the next five to seven years, so this was about 2010, and he started to slowly incorporate Joey and I into the day-to-day operations. And eventually, I think the plan was (that) Jeanie was gonna run the business side and Joey and I were gonna help run the basketball operations department. 他的想法是，希望有一天由我们来管理整个篮球营运部门。 这类的对话大概是在十五年前就出现了。 当时他跟我说，他希望 Jimmy 能在接下来五到七年某个时间点退休——那大概是 2010 年左右——所以他就开始慢慢把 Joey 和我拉进球队的日常营运里。 最後，我想原本的计画是，由 Jeanie 负责经营面的事务，而 Joey 和我则一起协助运作篮球营运部门。 Did you ever feel like it was close to seeing that vision fulfilled? 你有没有觉得过，那个愿景好像快要实现了？ No, but at times, I think my involvement with the organization came in waves. Obviously, I think we were able to specialize in the later parts of the draft, and that was kind of like my niche within the organization, being able to give a large amount of input on who we selected with those picks. And I think at times, I was consulted on various free agent moves or potential trades that we were considering. 没有。但有时候，我觉得我在球团里的参与程度是「一阵一阵的」。 很明显的是，我们後段顺位选秀这块做得不错，而那其实算是我在这个组织中的「专长」，我能在这些选秀权上给出相当多的意见。 也有一些时候，球队在考虑某些自由球员操作或潜在交易时，会来徵询我的看法。 But oftentimes within the organization, it kind of felt like I was being treated like I was working against them. And, I guess you could say, like an enemy. But the only thing I ever wanted was the most success for this team. The credit, or whoever was involved with those decisions, it didn’t really matter as long as it was the best possible thing for the Lakers. 但很多时候，在这个组织里，我会觉得自己好像被当成是在「和他们对着干」的人。你也可以说，好像被当成一个敌人。 可我唯一想要的，一直都只是让这支球队取得最大的成功。 那些功劳最後算在谁头上、谁被认为参与了那些决策，对我来说其实没有那麽重要，只要那真的是对湖人来说最好的选择就行。 Since your dad purchased the team, it’s always been a family business. That’s had both positive and negative connotations. What do you think the Lakers organization will look like as it moves forward as not a family business? 自从你爸爸买下这支球队以来，湖人一直都是个家族企业。这种模式当然有好有坏。那你觉得，现在湖人不再是家族企业之後，这个组织未来会变成什麽样子？ I think Mark Walter has had a ton of success, obviously, in the sports landscape, and being able to see what he’s done with the Dodgers has been simply amazing. I think the Lakers are in great hands, honestly. Now, I think the team, as currently constructed, obviously it looks like that they could definitely make some noise this season. And it’s been an absolute thrill to watch them. I think JJ (Redick) is an absolutely fantastic coach and I think he’s proven that over the last year and some change. 我觉得 Mark Walter 在体育产业里已经取得非常多成功，很明显，看看他在道奇队身上做的那些事，就已经相当惊人了。老实说，我认为湖人现在是交在一双非常可靠的手里。 就目前这支球队的阵容来看，很明显他们这个球季是有机会打出很大声量的。看他们比赛真的很过瘾。我觉得 JJ（Redick）是一位非常优秀的教练，过去一年多来他已经证明了这一点。 And I hope going forward that Mark can kind of bring a lot of what he brought to the Dodgers. Because I think if the vision, more or less, is the same from what I’ve seen over the last 10 years, then it necessarily isn’t always going to lead to the success that Laker fans have become accustomed to when my dad ran the operations and owned the team. 我也希望接下来 Mark 能把他在道奇身上做的那些事情，有很多带到湖人这里来。 因为如果接下来的愿景，大致还是跟我这十年来看到的差不多，那麽它未必总是能带来那种，在我爸爸掌权并拥有球队时，湖人球迷习以为常的成功。 Do you think there’s a way in which the Buss family can still maintain an active role in the Lakers moving forward? Can any of these bridges be rebuilt? 你觉得 Buss 家族未来还有办法在湖人里维持某种程度的实际参与吗？这些断掉的连结有可能被修复吗？ I wish them the best and at the end of the day. I love them because they’re my siblings, and I’m not exactly sure what went wrong along the way. I think that’s a question you’d have to ask them all individually. But at any point, if they need me for anything, any one of my siblings, I’m going to be there to support them. 我真心希望他们一切顺利。说到底，我爱他们，因为他们是我的兄弟姊妹，而我其实也不太确定究竟是哪个环节出了问题。我觉得这些问题大概得去一个一个问他们才知道。 但不管怎样，只要哪一位手足在任何时候需要我、需要我帮忙，我都会在那里支持他们。 ----- Sent from JPTT on my iPhone --

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