作者fw190a (las)
看板Military
标题Re: [问题] 为啥麽弩射不远??
时间Fri Jun 11 13:03:02 2010
前面有人提动能不受距离影响,
又有人提出十字弓与长弓夸张的磅数比。
我发现有人好像混用了弓拉到满的最大磅数,以及十字弓储存能量的"磅数"
基本上前者乘以"拉的长度"之後大致除以2才会变後者。
http://science.howstuffworks.com/crossbow.htm/printable
Two factors determine the amount of energy a bow can hold. Its draw weight is
the amount of force required to draw the bow. A bow's draw weight increases
the farther back you pull the string. Its draw length is the distance between
the bowstring's position at rest and its position when drawn. The total
amount of energy that a bow can hold is approximately equal to its draw
weight times its draw length, divided by two. In other words, a bow's overall
strength depends on how hard it is for you to pull the string and how far
back you are able to pull it. Bow manufacturers express this strength in
terms of:
The bow's energy, measured in foot-pounds or joules
The arrow's velocity, measured in feet or meters per second
另外补充一个连结
http://www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/cross_l_v_c.html
W.F. Paterson (1990) published data from Stephen V. Grancsay about an
experiment comparing a longbow and a crossbow that was spanned with a
cranequin.
Type of Weapon @ Draw weight @ Bolt weight @ Speed of bolt @ Difference
Longbow 68 lbs. 2.5 oz 133.7 fps Not much!!
Crossbow 740 lbs 1.25 oz. 138.7 fps Not much!!
ps.下面都是简短意译
里面也有做些比较,并说明除了拉的距离不够长以外,弓臂弹回的速度无法达到该动能
所能允许的最大速度,因此造就了较低之速度,以及相对无效的系统。
Although it is impossible for any bow to be perfectly efficient, crossbows
are particularly inefficient when compared to longbows. The reason for this
is that the draw length and the lath (also called a prod) of crossbows are
much shorter than those of longbows. So even though a crossbow may have more
stored energy when spanned, the tips of the lathe do not have enough time to
reach the maximum velocity that the amount of stored energy would otherwise
allow. It is the lathe tip velocity that determines the speed of the bolt
that is loosed. (Crossbows are not "fired", which is a term related to
gunpowder.)
而现代十字弓则有办法在较低之拉力下达到更高速度。
NOTE: through the use of modern engineering and advanced materials, modern
crossbows are now much more efficient. The Excalibur Exomag has a draw weight
of 185 pounds, and is able to send a bolt at 290 fps. The 165 pound draw
weight Excalibur Exocet looses bolts at 270 fps, and the 150 pound draw
weight Excalibur Vixen looses bolts at 250 fps. Special thanks to Excalibur
Crossbows for the use of crossbow specs.
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1F:推 s955120 :推详细 114.45.160.197 06/11 13:15
2F:推 mackulkov :这网页我也有看 那句"距离短使加速时 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:25
3F:推 mackulkov :间不足" 令我颇难理解... 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:28
4F:推 mackulkov :还有"磅数"是力量 "尺磅"才是能量 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:31
5F:→ djmez :距离短使加速时间不足 道理就和为啥 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:34
6F:推 mackulkov :应是古代的弩材料共振频率低无法产生 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:35
7F:→ mackulkov :足够大的加速度 才会有此影响 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:35
8F:→ djmez :高初速的炮通常是长倍径道理是相通的 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:36
9F:→ mackulkov :炮弹是一直受爆炸压力前推在加速 弓 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:37
10F:→ mackulkov :弦在释放过程中的力量则是越来弱喔 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:38
11F:推 djmez :但是力作用在箭上的时间不够长 也就 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:40
12F:→ djmez :能量也就无法有效的转移到剑的身上 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:42
13F:→ djmez :和假如你把高初速的炮切短 他初速也 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:43
14F:→ djmez :会变低是一样的道理 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:45
15F:→ mackulkov :弓弦运动到未拉开前位置时应该已经低 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:49
16F:→ mackulkov :没有加速度了 所有能量应该在之前已 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:50
17F:→ mackulkov :经传递完毕 跟炮弹在炮管中不同 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:51
18F:→ mackulkov :如果用简谐运动的类比没有错误的话.. 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:52
19F:→ djmez :弦还没到初始位置前箭就和弦分离了吧 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:53
20F:→ mackulkov :弦到达初始位置时速度是最大的 220.133.3.186 06/11 13:54
21F:→ djmez :那就是我有地方搞错了 122.116.4.199 06/11 13:56
22F:推 mackulkov :看来需要流言终结者们的器材了XD 140.114.120.68 06/11 15:12
23F:推 F23ko : C4! 163.27.109.77 06/11 16:27
24F:推 xgcj :推 C4! 140.113.89.27 06/11 17:05
25F:→ s955120 :以这复杂程度大概真的要... C4 114.45.160.197 06/11 18:07
26F:推 josiah : C4! 114.32.136.28 06/11 19:42
27F:推 vixen :现代复合弓刚射初速可破350fps,可怕! 67.176.93.120 06/12 10:54