作者: israelii (chris) 看板: Gossiping 标题: [新闻] 录音档流出！川普特使竟要俄并吞乌领土 时间: Sat Nov 29 16:18:37 2025 录音档流出！川普特使竟要俄并吞乌领土　还大言不惭声称为了「和平」 三立新闻网 编译林浩博／综合报导 为了所谓的「和平」，有必要逼盟友丧权辱国？最近美俄磋商的28点和平计画，因为内容 太过偏袒侵略方俄罗斯，震惊了各界，而背後的罪魁祸首，恐怕就是美国总统川普的特使 魏科夫（Steve Witkoff）。彭博社26日公布了通话录音内容，显示魏科夫（Steve Witko ff）当初竟建议俄罗斯总统普丁的外交顾问鄂夏柯夫（Yuri Ushakov），应该并吞乌克兰 的顿内茨克，以便透过领土交换达成和平协议。 https://i.mopix.cc/ZiQJ63.jpg 美国总统川普的特使魏科夫（Steve Witkoff）。据彭博社取得的对话录音档，震撼各界 的亲俄和平计画之源头，恐怕就是他。（图／翻摄自X平台 @SteveWitkoff） 以下即为彭博所整理的10月14日通话逐字稿： 【电话响起】 魏科夫：嗨，尤里。 鄂夏柯夫：嗨，史帝夫，你如何？ 魏科夫：还不错，尤里。你怎样？ 鄂夏柯夫：我还可以。恭喜你，我的朋友。 魏科夫：谢谢你。 鄂夏柯夫：你工作做得很好。真的是很好。很感谢。谢谢你，谢谢你。 魏科夫：谢谢你，尤里，谢谢你的帮忙。我知道你的国家对此很支持，我很谢谢你们。 鄂夏柯夫：是的，是的，是的。是的。你也知道，这就是为什麽我们停止举办俄罗斯与阿 拉伯国的首次家峰会。 魏科夫：是的。 鄂夏柯夫：是啊，因为我们认为你在这（中东）地区做了很好的工作。 魏科夫：嗯，那麽现在请仔细听。我要来告诉你某些事情。我认为，我认为，如果你能搞 定俄罗斯与乌克兰之间的事情，大家都会高兴极了。 鄂夏柯夫：是的，是的，是的。是的，你只有一个问题须解决。（大笑） 魏科夫：什麽？ 鄂夏柯夫：俄乌战争。 魏科夫：我也知道啊！我们要如何解决？ 鄂夏柯夫：我的朋友啊，我只想听你的建议。你觉得我们两方的老板通话，会有用吗？ 魏科夫：是的，我觉得有用。 鄂夏柯夫：你也这样想啊。那你觉得何时有机会？ 魏科夫：我觉得只要你提议就行，我的老板早就在准备。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的。 魏科夫：尤里，尤里，（我告诉你）我会这样做。我的建议是这样。 鄂夏柯夫：好喔，我洗耳恭听。 魏科夫：我会打电话，然後再次恭喜总统的成就，表示你很支持，你很支持，说你敬重他 是和平使者，并说你真的，真的很荣幸看到此事达成。所以，我会这样说。我想从这点出 发，这会是很好的一次电话交谈。 因为，我来告诉你，我跟总统说了什麽。我告诉总统，你们，也就是俄罗斯联邦想达成和 平协议。这是我所相信的。我告诉总统，我对此深信不疑。然後我相信问题是在，两个国 家难以相互妥协，但若能做到，我们就会有和平协议。我还想说，我们可以拟出类似像是 20点的和平提案，我们在加萨就是如此做。我们推出川普20点计画，20点和平计画，我觉 得也能与你们做同样的事情。我的重点是...... 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的，我的朋友。我觉得这一点我们两方的领袖能够讨论。嗨，史帝夫 ，我同意你的想法，他大概会恭贺，他会说川普是真正的和平使者，如此之类的。他会这 样说。 魏科夫：不过我认为这会很棒。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的。 魏科夫：如果，如果，听我说...... 鄂夏柯夫：我会与老板谈一谈，然後再回复你，可以吗？ 魏科夫：好的，因为听我说。我只是想说，也许想跟普丁总统说，因为你知道嘛，我对普 丁总统有很深的敬意。 鄂夏柯夫：是，是。 魏科夫：或许他会跟川普总统说：「你知道嘛，史蒂夫和尤里曾经讨论过一份非常相似的 20 点和平方案，这可能有助於推动情势一些。我们也愿意开放态度，去探索要达成和平 协议需要什麽条件。」现在，我私下跟你说，我其实知道要达成和平协议需要什麽：顿内 茨克，可能再加上一些土地交换。但我的意思是，与其用那种方式谈，不如以更有希望的 语气来谈，因为我觉得我们这次真的有机会达成协议。而且我想，尤里，总统会给我很大 的空间和自主权去推动这件事。 鄂夏柯夫：我懂了...... 魏科夫：……所以，如果我们能创造那个机会，比如说接下来我去和 Yuri 谈一谈，我觉 得那可能会带来大事的突破。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，这听起来不错，不错。 魏科夫：还有一件事：泽伦斯基周五要去白宫。 鄂夏柯夫：我知道。[笑] 魏科夫：我会去参加那场会议，因为他们希望我在场。但我认为，如果可能的话，我们最 好在星期五的会面之前，先跟你们老板通一次电话。 鄂夏柯夫：在那之前、之前——对吗？ 魏科夫：没错。 鄂夏柯夫：好，好。我收到你的建议了。我会和我老板讨论，之後再回覆你，好吗？ 魏科夫：好的，尤里，之後再聊。 鄂夏柯夫：太好了、太好了。非常感谢，谢谢你。 SW：再见。 YU：再见。 【通话结束】 [phone rings] Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri. Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you? SW: Good Yuri. How you doing? YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend. SW: Thank you. YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, than k you. SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you. YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of fi rst Russian-Arabic summit. SW: Yes. YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the regio n. SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy. YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs] SW: What? YU: Russian-Ukrainian war. SW: I know! How do we get that solved? YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone? SW: Yes, I do. YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible? SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it. YU: Ok, ok. SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation. YU: Yes, please. SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the preside nt on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you resp ect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have se en it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a reall y good call. Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president tha t you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming t o a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even th inking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace an d I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this... YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey S teve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump i s a real peace man and so and so. That he will say. SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing. YU: Ok, ok. SW: What if, what if... hear me out... YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok? SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe jus t to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin. YU: Yes, Yes. SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a ver y similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think mig ht move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to ex plore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I kno w what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yur i, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal . YU: I see... SW: ...so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri a nd we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff. YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good. SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Frid ay. YU: I know that. [chuckles] SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possi ble we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting. YU: Before, before — yeah? SW: Correct. YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok? SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon. YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you. SW: Bye, bye. YU: Bye. 报导网址：https://reurl.cc/LQ64W7 心得 亲美派这下有何话说 之前一言不合就扣他人疑美论 这里是学术版 难道不能合理质疑理性讨论? 美军毕竟是外国军队 又可能当家的是川普这种 相信美军真的不如相信国军 台湾人一定要支持自家国军 --

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