作者pedroremorse (I love Tchaikovsky...)
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标题Re: [外絮] David Stern's Latest Target: Kobe Br …
时间Sun May 2 04:03:54 2010
: David Stern's Latest Target: Kobe Bryant
: 史腾下一个目标:KOBE BRYANT
我先声明，如果你看到任何侮辱性或是争议性用词，那都是作者写的，我只是翻译...
: Yesterday's game between the Lakers and OKC Thunder was an insult to fans
: worldwide. I don't care what team you were rooting for, but anybody with half
: a brain cell knows by now that the NBA is rigged and that David Stern has an
: agenda. The free throw differentials, phantom calls favoring Kevin Durant,
: and the fact that Kobe Bryant did not attempt a single free throw sealed the
昨天的湖人雷霆之战对全世界的球迷来说根本是种侮辱，我才不管你支持哪队，
任何一个脑袋没完全烧坏的人都知道现今的NBA根本被操纵了，而且史腾的剧本
早已写好了。罚球数的差异，KD的金身与无尽的爱，以及Kobe根本没有半次罚球的事实，
这些现象使我下了个结论。
: deal for me. The fact that the refs were paid and employed by the league and
: that the most trusted "company men", namely Dick Bavetta, Joey
: "I-challenged-Tim-Duncan-to-a-fight" Crawford, and Steve
: "I-hate-Allen-Iverson" Javie all have personal vendetta against certain
: teams, players, and coaches and have the power to dictate free throw attempts
: and the flow of the game. Granted, Bryant and the Lakers, once the golden
: child of the NBA, were once at the opposite end of the equation when they
: beat the Kings in the 2002 Western Conference Final aka one of the biggest
: disgrace in sports history, but it does not justify what the league is doing
: to Bryant at this stage of his career. Such manipulation is disgusting and
联盟聘的这群裁判，也就是Dick Bavetta、Joey「微笑TD」Crawford、
Steve「我恨AI」Javie，都把私底下对特定球员、球队、教练的愤恨带到球场上，
任意操纵罚球吹判与比赛的节奏。就算Kobe与湖人2002年在西区决赛对国王队
做了什麽好事(那是运动史上最丑陋的一面)，但是这不代表联盟现在就可以这样
对待Kobe。
: despicable. It is also one of the primary reasons that many longtime fans
: have become disillusioned in recent years. Stern let Tim Donaghy take the
: fall while continue to push forward his vision to transform the NBA into a
: league full of boring, emotionless Uncle Toms with no swagger, authenticity,
: individuality, Tim Duncan clones, and LeBron James.
这种操作手法太恶心而且卑鄙。这也是为什麽许多NBA的老球迷对这个联盟感到心寒
的主要原因之一。史藤让Tim Donaghy负责背黑锅，然後继续执行他的计画，
也就是要将NBA改造成充满无趣、缺乏激情、乖乖牌、忠厚老实的可怜黑奴TD复制人大军，
以及LBJ。
: I already predicted several months ago when I wrote about David Stern and the
: media's effort to sabotage, marginalize, phase out, and destroy the careers
: of superstars Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce,
: Gilbert Arenas, etc through officiating, trades, blackballing, and negative
: media coverage. The ultimate plan is to make the league revolve around LeBron
: James and give him the godlike status a la Michael Jordan. All the obstacles
我好几个月前的文章就预测到了，史腾以及媒体利用裁判哨音、交易、排挤、负面新闻
来刻意破坏、边缘化、毁灭像是AI、T-Mac、VC、PP、Arenas这些超级巨星的篮球生涯。
这个造神计画的最终目的是让这整个联盟都围绕着LBJ转，就像MJ当年一样。
: along the way must be cleared out. The most popular players are seeing their
: careers sabotaged one by one while Stern's media cronies continue to spread
: lies to further the claim that these guys are washed up when they are clearly
: better than most of the young stat stuffers (Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, Danny
: Granger, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant) in this league. As far as sabotaging,
所以妨碍LBJ登基的路障全部都要扫除。这些最受欢迎的球员眼睁睁看着自己的篮球生涯
就这样被史腾在媒体界的心腹这样鲸吞蚕食，看着这些媒体宣称自己已经过气了，
而那些年轻只会灌数据的球员((Kevin Martin, Ellis, Granger, Rose, Durant)
竟然会比自己还要优秀。
: the Allen Iverson example was the most obvious since he was not injured like
: T-Mac and is a lot more popular than Paul Pierce ever has been, but what we
: are about to witness is significantly more crooked and obvious than the A.I.
: case. Minor tweaking and sabotaging of marginal players have been going on
: for decades (Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Isaiah Rider, Dennis Rodman,
: Ruben Patterson, Bonzi Wells, etc are blackballed out of the NBA while Great
: White Hope like Brian Cardinal, Mark Madsen, Mark Pope, Sean Marks, and Ryan
: Bowen continue to find work.), but the underhanded, intentional effort to
: undermine superstars' careers in order to legitimize his golden child was
: largely unprecedented. Stern's brave new world is now onto its last phase:
: the destruction of Kobe Bryant.
AI就是最好的例子，他不像T-Mac那样伤病缠身，而且人气比PP还要高N倍，但是我们即将
要看到比AI更夸张的例子。摧残边缘化球员不是没有先例，像是Marbury、Francis、
Isaiah Rider、Rodman、Ruben Patterson、Bonzi Wells都被排挤出联盟，但是所谓的
NBA白人希望Brian Cardinal、Mark Madsen、Mark Pope、Sean Marks、Ryan Bowen
竟然都还能留下。尽管如此，这个企图帮助史腾心中的金童登基的秘密邪恶计画实在是
史无前例的恐怖。史腾企图打造美丽新世界的剧本已经来到最後一步：摧毁Kobe。
: The operation to sabotage Kobe Bryant is the most difficult one out of all.
: He plays in one of the biggest markets in LA. He is a beloved figure in
: Southern California, having played there his entire career. He is very
: marketable, charismatic and, no homo, good-looking. Before his sexual assault
: trial, he had a squeaky clean image with no off-the-court issues or tattoos.
: If Allen Iverson symbolizes the anti-establishment during the post-Jordan
: era, then Kobe Bryant was once the golden child of the NBA and David Stern.
摧毁Kobe比摧毁其他球星都来得难：他在世上最大的市场之一的LA打球，他是南加州人
的最爱，他始终没有离开过这里。他非常有市场价值、独具魅力、而且长得好看。
在他的性侵丑闻之前，他拥有乾净的形象，也没有浑身刺青。如果说AI代表的是
後乔丹时代的反抗形象，那麽Kobe就曾经是NBA与史腾的心目中的金童。
: Full disclosure: I love watching Kobe Bryant plays the game of basketball,
: but I never like him the way I like A.I. However, for the integrity of the
: game and my firm belief that the best players should play, I will not stand
: by idly while watching the media and Stern sabotage his career the way they
: did to A.I. I don't believe Stern has what it takes to destroy Kobe Bryant
: the way he did to Allen Iverson. Bryant will never be asked to leave LA the
揭露事情真相：
我喜欢看Kobe打球，但我从未像我喜欢LA般那麽喜欢Kobe个人。但是，为了球赛的
公正以及我个人的坚定信念，也就是NBA里的球员应该是球打得最好的球员。我不会
默默站在一旁看着史腾用摧毁AI生涯的方式来摧毁Kobe。我不相信史腾有办法以
摧毁AI的手段来摧毁Kobe。
: way A.I. was thrown around (forced to play half-court set and teamball in
: Detroit. got benched in favor of scrub Rodney Stuckey. playing 8th man
: minutes a year after having his most efficient season with 27 points and 7
: assists in 2008 and led Denver to franchise record in wins. Billups only led
: them to 3 more wins the year after despite all the accolades.) No matter how
: the media spin it, Bryant has a home to go to. But it is not far fetched to
: say that Bryant probably will never win another title in his career as the
: franchise player.
Kobe永远不会被要求离开LA，不会像AI那样被丢来丢去，被迫要在底特律打半场与
团队篮球、当Stuckey那样的二流球员上场时只能坐板凳，在他最有效率的一季
(AI那季27分 7助攻，并且带领丹佛创下胜场纪录，Billups只让金块多了3胜)
之後只能当球队第八人。不论媒体怎麽搞，Kobe至少还有家可归。但是如果说
Kobe再也不能以球队第一人的身分带领球队得到冠军，这也不是什麽不可能的事。
: One has to ask the rhetorical question: What is the point in all this? Why
: does Stern bother to lash out against Phil Jackson? Aren't marketable players
: like Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson good for the league? Before we could
: psychoanalyze Stern, we must recap a bit of his history.
你可能会问：这到底是为什麽? 为什麽史腾要特意对付Phil Jackson?
难道让Kobe与AI这样高市场价值的球员在联盟里打球不好吗?
在我们对史腾做精神分析之前，要先来看一下历史。
: Stern became the NBA commissioner in 1984 succeeding Larry O'Brien.
: Coincidentally, it was the same year when the famed "Class of '84",
: consisting of Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, and John
: Stockton, entered the league. At that point, the league was on the verge of
: bankruptcy. Stern was able to revive the league through the popularity of
: Michael Jordan, who dispelled the long-held notion that you can't win a
: championship without a dominant big man. Jordan, who became a global icon,
史腾在1984年接替Larry O'Brien成为NBA的总裁。巧合的是，那一年正好是
超级黄金1984梯(MJ、Olajuwon、Barkley、Stockton)进入联盟的时候。
在那个时候，联盟几乎要破产。史藤靠着MJ的超高人气让联盟起死回生，
MJ打破了「没有强力长人就没有冠军」这项相传已久的魔咒。
: was arguably the most marketable athlete in the history of sports and the
: NBA's profit increased exponentially. Since Michael Jordan's second
: retirement with the Bulls in 1998, Stern has been desperately looking for the
: next MJ as a mean to recreate his battle-tested marketing formula. He was not
: the marketing genius some credit him to be, but one of the many businessmen
: (like Nike founder Phil Knight), who profited from the presence of a
: once-in-a-lifetime talent like Michael Jordan.
MJ成为了全球偶像，他很可能是史上最具市场价值的运动员，NBA营收也因而大幅增加。
自从MJ在1998於公牛二度退休後，史藤积极寻找MJ接班人来实现他的大计。史藤并不像
许多人说的那麽有商业头脑，他就像NIKE的创办人Phil Knight，都是受益於像MJ
那样毕生难逢的篮球天才。
: In the past decade, numerous efforts have shown that the NBA is no longer
: what it once was. Aside from the 2002 WCF, the 2006 NBA finals (when Stern
: let his personal beef with Mark Cuban get in the way), and last year's
: blatant example during the Cavs-Magic series (it backfired, which resulted in
: the Cavs acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal and Antawn Jamison. With 3 of the
: starters from last year's team now coming off the bench, Stern is ensuring
: last year won't happen again.) The rigging also extends to regular season
: game, with the most prominent example occurring on March 31, 2010 when the
: Cavs, Stern's favorite team, defeated the Bucks 101-98 due to a free throw
: differential of 45-9. It just shows that Stern is willing to do anything to
在过去十年中，NBA已经不同於以往。除了2002年的国王湖人，2006年的热火小牛
(史藤与档路的库班口水满天飞)，以及去年手法非常露骨的魔术骑士(不过也因为这系列，
骑士得到O'Neal与Jamison，板凳球员里有三个去年的先发球员，史腾要确保去年
那样的事情不会再度发生)。史藤的魔掌也伸到了季赛，最有名的例子是2010年3月31日，
骑士(史藤的最爱)靠着45-9的罚球差距以101-98击败了公鹿。这代表史藤愿意尽一切
努力来确保LBJ可以像MJ那样登基。
: legitimize LeBron James as the next MJ. Other beloved superstars from the
: post-Jordan era must be trashed by the media and eased out of the spotlight
: and be replaced by boring guys you can't pick out of a crowd aka Tim Duncan
: clones (Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh,
: Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Greg Oden, Aaron Brooks, Danny
: Granger, Tyreke Evans, Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Rudy Gay, Brook Lopez,
: Devin Harris, Russell Westbrook, etc) who are better suited to play second
: fiddle to LeBron James. Except for their hometown fans, fans worldwide will
: never love these guys the way they love A.I., Kobe, T-Mac, Vinsanity, KG, or
: even Starbury and Stevie Franchise, which makes their ascents a blessing to
: the crowning of LeBron James.
其他後乔丹时代受喜爱的超级巨星都必须被媒体当垃圾批评与被夺走镁光灯。他们必须被
像TD那样穷极无聊、辨识性低的球员取代(如Rose, Durant, Roy, JJ, Bosh, DH, DW,
Griffin, Oden, 小AB, Granger, Evans, Ariza, Stuckey, Gay, Lopez, Harris,
Westbrook等等)，这些人最适合用以衬托LBJ。除了那些当地的球迷，其他全球的球迷
永远不会像喜爱AI、Kobe、T-Mac、VC、KG，甚至是Marbury或Francis那般喜欢这批
TD复制人。这些无趣球员的崛起，对LBJ的登基来说实在是大大有利。
: Why were the media trashing A.I. so hard when
: he was voted in as a starter even though the Sixers are .500 with him this
: season and 10-40 without him? Why did Devin Harris make the all-star game
: last season instead of Vince Carter? It's clear that Vinsanity was the one
: holding the Nets from falling apart the past few years. Why didn't Vince
: Carter make the all-star team this year despite being on one of the top
: teams? Why is the media insinuating that Rajon Rondo is better than Paul
: Pierce when it is obvious that Pierce is just sacrificing his stats and
: playing teamball? Why did role player Al Horford make the all-star team
: instead of Shaquille O'Neal when they are putting up similar stats and Shaq
: was on a better team and is one of the biggest names? Why does Chris Bosh get
为什麽当AI被票选为明星赛先发，他在时七六人有五成胜率，而当他不在时只有
10-40这样的成绩时，媒体都还这麽唾弃他?
为什麽Harris上一季入选明星赛，而非VC? 很明显是VC在其几季让篮网免於沉沦。
为什麽VC这季没有被选入明星赛，而他的球队是联盟最强队之一?
为什麽媒体暗示Rondo比PP更出色，但是其实PP是为了打团队篮球而牺牲他的数据?
为什麽 Al Horford可以入选明星赛，而不是数据类似，而且球队战绩更好的
Shaquille O'Neal?
: a pass for being a perennial loser in his 7 seasons in the league despite a
: decent supporting cast while T-Mac and Vince get trashed when their
: supporting casts were far worse? Why did Brandon Roy make the all-star team
: in his sophomore year ahead of Baron Davis? Why did cheap owner Gordon Gund
: sell the team a year after drafting LeBron James? Why is LeBron James getting
: top 4 payrolls in the league and going over the luxury tax every season for
: the past 5 years despite being in a small market? Why are they calling T-Mac
: washed up while letting Amare Stoudemire and Jason Kidd to take their time
: coming back from microfracture surgery? Some of these questions may seem
: inconsequential, but these are all efforts by Stern and the media to usher
: out some of the biggest names from the spotlight and introduce/market
: inferior players as stars and brainwash the fans into believing that.
为什麽Bosh这个有好队友的万年失败者都没事，但是队友远远较差的T-Mac与VC
却要遭到批评?
为什麽Roy在还是二年级生时就可以进明星赛而不是Baron Davis?
为什麽没财力的前骑士老板Gordon Gund在选到LBJ後反而要卖掉球队?
为什麽LBJ在小市场的城市依然还可以有联盟团队薪资第四高并且付豪华税的球队?
为什麽他们说Amare与Kidd在手术後依然掌握球赛，而T-Mac就是过气球员?
这些问题看似不合理，但是这些都是史藤与媒体为了从超级巨星身上夺走镁光灯，
以及引入没有市场价值的球员所做的努力，而且他们对球迷进行洗脑，让球迷相信一切。
: There has been a lot of talks about Kobe Bryant being washed up and about
: Kevin Durant overtaking him as the de facto "second best" player in the
: league in the past couple of months. I don't buy it. In fact, I don't
: consider LeBron James the best player in the league. Dwyane Wade could
: probably win a title with his supporting cast. Allen Iverson probably could
: as well if Stern did not f*ck with his head that much the past couple of
: years. Hell, Paul Pierce probably could. I'm not a Lakers fan, but it is
: clear that Kobe Bryant is doing more with less than LeBron James, who kills
: ball movement with his overdribbling. Say what you want about James not
这几个月来，人们都说Kobe已经走下坡，而Durant实质上已经取代他成为联盟第二
优秀的球员。我才不买帐呢。事实上，我不认为LBJ是这联盟最好的球员。
如果有好的队友，Wade极有可能赢得总冠军。如果条件相同，AI也很有可能拿冠军，
如果史腾在过去这几年不搞这些他妈的伎俩。该死，PP也有很能可能拿冠军。
我不是湖人迷，但是很显然地，Kobe比LBJ做得更好，LBJ只会过度运球，破坏球的流动。
: having a "supporting cast", but the Cavs team is a lot more stacked than the
: Lakers for at least the past 3 years. Why is Kevin Durant getting all these
: undeserved accolades when he doesn't play any defense and is turning the ball
: over even though he's not even the team's primary ballhandler? Why does the
: media have such a huge boner for ballhog Derrick Rose when his team always
: underachieve and he takes 18 shots to score 20 points? I don't care about his
: field goal percentage. Guys like Rose and Joe Johnson are the epitome of
: inefficiency because they're too chicken to draw fouls even though the refs
: are already favoring them.
你可以说LBJ没有好队友，随便你，但是骑士在过去三年来阵容比湖人都更好。
为什麽Durant防守烂，不是球队的主要控球者还爱黏球，依然还能得到这麽多
不该属於他的掌声? 为什麽媒体看到Rose超级无敌黏球，公牛总是打得不如预期，
而且他要靠出手18次才能拿到20分时，依然兴奋得像勃起一样?
我才不在乎他的命中率，像Rose与JJ这种人，是低效率的最好典范，因为即使
受到裁判哨音偏爱，他们依然太过懦弱，甚至不敢切入吸引犯规。
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典型的阴谋论文章，翻到一半才发觉作者文笔超犀利，超不留情，
其实我已经把原文稍微温和化一点了 = =||
作者一口气战几十个球员，也实在厉害...
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1F：推 shinyu03 :是说AIKOBE价值要到尾端了所以该换掉以免影响LBJ等 05/02 04:09
2F：推 LBJALA :史藤：不爽不要看 05/02 04:12
3F：推 wilson78225 :先推辛苦翻译m(_ _)m 不过阴谋论的太过了一些，中肯 05/02 04:13
4F：推 charlie01 :非常非常偏激 不过满满的战点 05/02 04:13
5F：→ wilson78225 :肯的部分有，可是大多数情形没有那麽严重 05/02 04:14
6F：推 LBJshit :难怪lpj平常那副嘴脸嚣张的让人这麽讨厌 05/02 04:15
7F：→ charlie01 :这发在白天比赛时间的话...哈 05/02 04:16
8F：推 wilson78225 :先补血，明天要战翻天了吧，嘘到深处无怨尤 05/02 04:17
9F：推 BrianGrant :原作者：一个一个战太麻烦了。通通绑在一起战吧! 05/02 04:18
10F：→ kin30503 :喔 都给他说就好了 05/02 04:19
11F：推 theRice :满中肯的 史腾跟LBJ吃相难看早就不是新闻? 05/02 04:19
12F：→ theRice :全面销毁LBJ头顶被灌篮的影带事件 就很明显了 05/02 04:20
13F：→ pedroremorse:我只是看到这篇文章很长 所以拿来当翻译练习... 05/02 04:22
14F：推 noneme1 :靠 还蛮有意思的 也推pedroremorse辛苦的翻译 05/02 04:26
15F：推 sky419012 :LBJ备屎疼捧LP又不是一天两天的事了~ 05/02 04:26
16F：推 BColangelo :认同Stern有阴谋 但这篇写得太过夸张 好像无恶不做.. 05/02 04:31
17F：推 JoshSmith :不过这一两年，过去的球星真的凋零的很快啊！ 05/02 04:36
18F：推 gaiaesque :辛苦推 05/02 04:37
19F：→ JoshSmith :真的是有一种世代交替的感觉，也难怪会有阴谋论了。 05/02 04:38
20F：→ JoshSmith :有些球员明明就能在1/3球队先发，却沦落替补或没人要 05/02 04:39
21F：→ JoshSmith :球队宁可摆烂养新人抽选秀权，例子也越来越多～ 05/02 04:40
22F：推 altoaizen :这篇文章是zsh写的吧 05/02 04:46
23F：推 LBJshit :不否认lpj是下个世代的接班者，如果说每个世代的代 05/02 04:53
24F：→ LBJshit :表球星都有种特质，那乔神就是神的化身 05/02 04:54
25F：推 maxisam :非常偏机 很多都立论不足 实在是浪费时间 05/02 04:55
26F：→ LBJshit :kobe是唯我独尊，LB嘛...大概是那种自以为的嚣张吧 05/02 04:56
27F：→ maxisam :整篇充满矛盾 真的是一篇讨战文 05/02 04:57
28F：推 PlayBoyZ :泪推T-Mac 05/02 04:57
29F：推 molukino :这个想太多了吧... 骑士过去三年队友比湖人好 05/02 04:58
30F：→ molukino :看到这句我就关文章了 05/02 04:58
31F：推 Ayreon :写这种鸟文章,连到台科门口要饭的资格都没有 05/02 04:59
32F：推 molukino :看到Roy第二年选进明星赛.. 人家前一年拿ROY 05/02 05:02
33F：→ molukino :他的成熟早有目共睹了..何况这是球迷投票 跟造神何关 05/02 05:02
34F：→ molukino :就算是替补也是教练选的不是吗... 05/02 05:03
35F：推 yusuke362 :屎疼下台!! 泪推麦帝 05/02 05:05
36F：→ heyjude0929 :太偏激了 不过这给了湖迷输球的好藉口 05/02 05:06
37F：→ heyjude0929 :湖迷赶快把这篇文章拿回去供奉 05/02 05:06
38F：推 a24777777 :推 很多问题的确以前没想过 有些说得蛮有道理的 05/02 05:10
39F：→ a24777777 :但是骑士阵容比湖人好 这个地方怪怪的 05/02 05:11
40F：推 nik351235 :骑士阵容有没有比湖人好我不知道 但是屎腾一直利用 05/02 06:17
41F：→ nik351235 :媒体灌输给球迷一种LBJ之所以没夺冠是队友的问题 05/02 06:18
42F：→ nik351235 :其实这三年来 骑士阵容真的算是不错的了 05/02 06:19
43F：推 zzzaaaqqq111:湖人的阵容确实不好 看GASOL就知道 软到爆 05/02 06:22
44F：推 syterol :之前英文大家看不懂 翻成中文终於可以大战特战了 05/02 06:23
45F：→ zzzaaaqqq111:整队除了KOBE以外 都没什麽得分能力 KOBE超辛苦的 05/02 06:23
46F：推 nik351235 :而且看这几年的裁判吹球 没操纵比赛也说不过去 05/02 06:24
47F：→ zzzaaaqqq111:作者说骑士阵容很好是真的... 05/02 06:24
48F：推 watwmark :作者:我要战十个!! 05/02 06:24
49F：→ zzzaaaqqq111:米粉头比GASOL强太多了 一整个就是明星球员 05/02 06:24
50F：推 MandarinKing:我们科迷看了也很愤怒 居然对老大这麽恶劣 05/02 06:25
51F：→ zzzaaaqqq111:欧肥也跟在魔术时期一样强 一点都没老 05/02 06:25
52F：→ zzzaaaqqq111:骑士队靠一堆明星球员还拿不到总冠军真的很废啊 05/02 06:27
53F：推 syterol :说错了一点 最适合用以衬托LBJ强的还是KOBE!! 05/02 06:29
54F：推 Picoro :所以KOBE还不能死 ... 要倒在冠军赛...LBJ面前 05/02 06:30
55F：推 oneal6110891:中肯 05/02 06:31
56F：推 LASIDEKING :所以说Gasol其实根本是Stern派进去的卧底？ 05/02 06:33
57F：推 mingbayf :推一个翻的真好 05/02 06:36
58F：推 imgkiller :米粉头从来不是全明星 GASOL曾是看板球星许多年 05/02 06:37
59F：推 forwardgo :原PO辛苦了 不过应该没那麽严重吧 05/02 06:37
60F：推 tzengagan :TD何其无辜~一直被拿来当无趣球员的典范 05/02 06:46
61F：推 jeffl0402 :废文 05/02 06:49
62F：推 hok :好文 05/02 06:59
63F：→ tetsuwin :这文章只能感受到作者情绪非常不满-.- 05/02 07:02
64F：推 DOGGYBEAR :也太愤世嫉俗了吧 满满的恨意~~ 05/02 07:03
65F：→ jiuan1027 :结论:AI是被做掉的 05/02 07:03
66F：推 WYYronnie :此一时彼一时，想当年的国王。 05/02 07:04
67F：推 purification:先补血 原作引战引很大 05/02 07:04
68F：推 sotight :乾 我没END耶 我的老天 只好给推 05/02 07:06
69F：推 kober :没这麽严重吧，老球员没位子只是因为没潜力又比较贵 05/02 07:09
70F：→ kober :GM总是喜欢有潜力又年轻便宜的球员... 05/02 07:10
71F：推 kai08130623 :翻成中文就可以大作文章罗!!!! 妈我在这! 05/02 07:12
72F：推 AquariusTACO:原文真的讲的很锐利= =... 翻译翻的好又缓和许多 05/02 07:13
73F：推 jonesking :这适合放哪呢 ＸＤ 05/02 07:30
74F：→ wrqet :AI低命中率又不传球最好是有拿冠军的命啦!LBJ相反 05/02 07:32
75F：→ jiuan1027 :这也能放喔zzzzzzzzzzz 05/02 07:33
76F：→ wrqet :提一堆低命中率的人来怪裁判!实力强的球星FG都够高阿 05/02 07:33
77F：→ wrqet :骑士如果阵容比湖人好那就把KB和LBJ互换比较看看 05/02 07:38
78F：→ jiuan1027 :有人可以解释，骑士在过去三年来阵容比湖人都更好?! 05/02 07:40
79F：推 nbcb :感谢翻译 不过这是一篇烂文= = 太多根本不合理的猜测 05/02 07:41
80F：推 opwin :仙迷伪装成AI迷 这样写文章可以增加说服力吗(笑 05/02 07:41
81F：→ nbcb :过多过於主观的个人观点加诸 尝试让这阴谋论合理化 05/02 07:43
82F：→ nbcb :还有 TD打球无聊没人看的话他年年进全明星是? 05/02 07:44
83F：推 kauw :这这说法 伍兹也该黑透了 05/02 07:44
84F：→ nbcb :大家喜欢看的东西不同 用自己的观点来猜测阴谋论真瞎 05/02 07:45
85F：推 handsomecat :超级战文 05/02 07:46
86F：推 jonesking :翻译这麽辛苦 没奖励怎有动力 科科 05/02 07:47
87F：推 danieljaw :跟这篇比起来 ptt的乡民真的战力不及格啊~ 05/02 07:47
88F：推 tliu223 :干脆说stern是操纵美国经济的幕后大黑手好了 05/02 07:47
89F：推 archzxc :翻译就是给推啦! 不过如果真的是这样的话... 05/02 07:48
90F：→ archzxc :NBA也让人不想看了...反正都照剧情走啊... 05/02 07:49
91F：推 andri :被操控也是很正常的 一切都照市场来操控 05/02 07:56
92F：推 ansmms :文章中说02年在西区决赛对国王队 05/02 07:56
93F：→ ansmms :做了什麽好事 是指什麽事情阿... 05/02 07:57
94F：→ andri :看戏看的爽就好 不爽就不要看 05/02 07:57
95F：→ andri :就kobe那肘没被吹 湖人罚球比国王多 .... 05/02 07:58
96F：推 IceMakers :战 很 大 05/02 07:59
97F：推 zzzaaaqqq111:比赛难免会有碰撞 谁知道KOBE的拐子是不是故意的 05/02 07:59
98F：推 STUCSGOD :WWE? 05/02 08:00
99F：推 hchs31705 :还 我 AI 05/02 08:01
100F：推 blablack :看来看去，我还是喜欢飘发哥...这算甚麽= =! 05/02 08:04
101F：→ Jotard :一篇穿凿附会的战文 然後是用英文写的罢了 05/02 08:06
102F：→ Jotard :湖人跟雷霆会苦战是湖人自己问题比较大 关裁判鸟事 05/02 08:07
103F：推 SIMPLEPLAN :虽然我讨厌KOBE 但湖人G6真的没有爱阿... 05/02 08:10
104F：→ qwerd :02 国王vs.湖人 17386篇 05/02 08:13
105F：推 smileofblue :某些地方真的看得出来NBA太商业化显露出丑陋难看面 05/02 08:18
106F：推 teamac :推 05/02 08:36
107F：推 nightcatman :Tim Duncan clones 让我笑了 XDDD 好有画面啊 05/02 08:43
108F：推 jiyu520 :推! 不知道有些人在引战杀虫 05/02 08:46
109F：推 ASDF0714 :骑士在过去三年来阵容比湖人都更好 他在说笑吗 05/02 08:58
110F：→ disurza :只是大杂烩 有些为什麽是理所当然的 骑士之前阵容好? 05/02 09:00
111F：推 stan90203 :其实真的有TD复制人的话那真的很恐怖的强... 05/02 09:02
112F：嘘 newyee :KOBE累积的身价比LBJ强10倍 当然捧KOBE 05/02 09:02
113F：→ stan90203 :队伍里摆两支，一支C一支PF，一支主进攻，一支主防守 05/02 09:02
114F：→ stan90203 :其他球队禁区玩屁呀... 05/02 09:03
115F：→ stan90203 :更正，摆三只好了，一支当最佳第六人XDD 05/02 09:04
116F：嘘 TiangLei :这根本就颗迷写的吧 05/02 09:09
117F：推 wanger :有些地方写得不错 05/02 09:09
118F：嘘 ThreeNG :关於媒体的论点根本前後矛盾了 05/02 09:14
119F：推 april3sogood:还vc明星赛阿... 05/02 09:15
120F：→ ThreeNG :一个没有任何表现的球员媒体要怎麽捧？一个表现突出 05/02 09:16
121F：→ ThreeNG :的球员媒体真能完全掩盖掉他的光芒？ 05/02 09:16
122F：→ ThreeNG :各家媒体的论点也不会一致,又不是专制国家怎麽控制. 05/02 09:17
123F：→ ThreeNG :AI、T-Mac、VC、PP、Arenas真是被媒体搞掉的？ 05/02 09:18
124F：→ ThreeNG :他们的表现一直在巅峰吗？ 05/02 09:18
125F：嘘 greatodin :... 05/02 09:18
126F：推 chihow :推翻译!! 05/02 09:19
127F：→ ThreeNG :不是因伤病、老化、场外之事而使得他们渐渐不受关注? 05/02 09:19
128F：推 youzilin :操纵比赛应该早就是公开的秘密了吧.. 05/02 09:19
129F：→ momowawa1981:我相信有阴谋论 但VC AI PP这些人老化是不争的事实 05/02 09:19
130F：→ youzilin :现在稍微一批评裁判就罚..以後不知道会有多少黑哨 05/02 09:20
131F：推 CerMerlan :真要把联盟改成TD复制人，那为什麽TD这麽没有裁判爱. 05/02 09:21
132F：推 kobekobe8 :辛苦了 05/02 09:21
133F：推 Yoshitatsu :立场偏颇... 05/02 09:21
134F：→ youzilin :史藤下一步或许是对批评NBA黑哨的作家提出告诉吧..XD 05/02 09:21
135F：推 Kirihara :鬼扯的一篇 05/02 09:21
136F：推 ThreeNG :一代新人换旧人是很正常的啊 媒体也永远需要新明星 05/02 09:22
137F：→ ThreeNG :不如简单直言NBA的裁判素质必须提昇,去分析误判的比 05/02 09:23
138F：嘘 greatodin :这种文还M版主是有长眼睛吗 05/02 09:23
139F：→ ThreeNG :率是否年年增加？ 05/02 09:23
140F：→ greatodin :一点公信力都没有 05/02 09:23
141F：→ ThreeNG :板主是m辛苦翻译 XD 05/02 09:23
142F：嘘 hump :纯嘘写这篇的人,根本是米国酸民 05/02 09:24
143F：→ ThreeNG :要鼓励大家翻译嘛 05/02 09:24
144F：推 alegoo :˙当八卦看看还满有意思的阿 XDD 05/02 09:24
145F：推 s4340392 :推这篇 05/02 09:24
146F：→ ThreeNG :这种阴谋论文章就不会提到NBA让活塞这种星光黯淡的球 05/02 09:25
147F：推 CCFACE :这就是商业～越来越恶心...这一直都是NBA.. 05/02 09:25
148F：→ ThreeNG :队夺冠 XD 或是让马刺活塞创下冠军赛收视新低 05/02 09:25
149F：→ CCFACE :虽然战点颇多，但也有许多我认同的地方，尤其是哨音. 05/02 09:26
150F：→ ThreeNG :简单说就是选择性挑选对自己文章有利的点发挥罢了 05/02 09:26
151F：推 OrzJ :好强... 05/02 09:29
152F：推 ahsoo :CC脸说得没错,就是商业,NBA不是学术团体 05/02 09:30
153F：→ ahsoo :NBA也是要发薪水要赚钱的 05/02 09:30
154F：推 SHITinHeaven:这篇提到史腾的操弄可以看成两个部分 媒体上跟判决上 05/02 09:31
155F：→ SHITinHeaven:媒体上其实是蛮明显的 另一部分吹判上就自由心证吧 05/02 09:32
156F：推 CerMerlan :那到底为什麽要大家打的像TD，又抹杀TD生存空间？ 05/02 09:33
157F：推 ahsoo :大家试站在史藤的立场去想,NBA要怎样赚钱? 05/02 09:33
158F：推 a34567 :战好大xd 05/02 09:34
159F：→ greatodin :谁知道 乱写一气 看了就不爽 05/02 09:34
160F：推 loloa :我不是科迷 科科 作者干麻强调这点 05/02 09:34
161F：→ ahsoo :不管球迷爽或不爽,都算赚到... 他们只怕球迷不看 ^^ 05/02 09:37
162F：推 loloa :Kobe比LBJ做得更好，LBJ只会过度运球，破坏球的流动 05/02 09:40
163F：→ loloa :好瞎喔= = 05/02 09:41
164F：→ loloa :反串吗 05/02 09:41
165F：推 incubus :看不下去......... 05/02 09:51
166F：→ incubus :如果TD那麽无趣没有商业价值 史腾应该尽力摧毁他 05/02 09:52
167F：→ incubus :怎麽还给他那麽多冠军 迷Kobe迷成一堆偏见 05/02 09:53
168F：推 DOGGYBEAR :推楼上 这篇刚刚比较细心一点看完有不少矛盾 05/02 09:54
169F：推 HeavenIs :满犀利的 不过如果相信这阴谋论的话NBA就不用看了吧 05/02 09:55
170F：推 PaulErdos :我的妈呀 科迷会不会太可悲了 05/02 10:07
171F：推 mr81lakers :酸迷酸KB也是一堆偏见 半斤八两拉 05/02 10:08
172F：推 chense :造神计画 月之眼启动 05/02 10:10
173F：推 jjhchris :我觉得很合理 光看LBJ每场平均犯规次数吧 真的少得 05/02 10:19
174F：→ jjhchris :得很夸张阿 所以很多争议的判决其实都是偏向他的= = 05/02 10:19
175F：→ jjhchris :但我真的不信MJ的防守能力比他差 犯规次数怎麽会比他 05/02 10:20
176F：→ jjhchris :多? 不否认LBJ的切入造成犯规能力很强! 但像防守火 05/02 10:21
177F：→ jjhchris :锅这些的 基本上LBJ很少被吹犯规的 05/02 10:21
178F：推 incubus :LBJ犯规多和摧毁Kobe有何关联 一堆不相干的是扯一起 05/02 10:23
179F：推 EwaitS :有点道理.. 05/02 10:23
180F：推 mnmnqq :XD 05/02 10:23
181F：推 MonkeDLuffy :战文就该要有这种等级XDDD 05/02 10:26
182F：推 liouandy :谢谢翻译 ^^ 05/02 10:26
183F：推 mog044 :史腾的嘴脸又不是第一天认识 不意外 05/02 10:30
184F：推 phil807124 :可是还是一堆人不愿相信NBA被操纵这个残酷事实 05/02 10:30
185F：→ reiko90 :若TD没有爱 马刺四次冠军哪来的? ZZZZZZ..... 05/02 10:31
186F：→ stloje :原来想要摧毁Kobe还可以让湖人拿到一哥跟阿泰啊 05/02 10:32
187F：推 volcom :这作者有在看NBA吗？？ 05/02 10:32
188F：→ nagass :能够把AI在活塞打不好 在金块无法第二轮的责任 05/02 10:36
189F：→ nagass :全部推给史腾和裁判 真是佩服作者瞎扯能力 05/02 10:36
190F：嘘 Ricky1123 :很烂，大家都有眼睛好吗 05/02 10:37
191F：→ Ricky1123 :推翻译 05/02 10:37
192F：嘘 CarlosJR :"骑士在过去三年来阵容比湖人都更好" 05/02 10:38
193F：推 a0522 :中肯到不行～屎疼一直在找下一个人造神！ 05/02 10:40
194F：推 davy50707 :相信这个 那NBA不用看了... 05/02 10:42
195F：推 ignisfatuus :看看就好 05/02 10:43
196F：推 a10141013 :越看越让我相信 写的像真的一样 05/02 10:44
197F：推 airanfernee :这个作者在当年湖人三连霸时也应该跳出来骂.. 05/02 10:44
198F：推 M2208305 :战文就该要有这种等级 05/02 10:44
199F：推 ymca900 :纯推原po用心翻译 05/02 10:45
200F：→ airanfernee :纯论造神跟黑哨当初湖人三连霸时也频频出现 05/02 10:46
201F：推 mog044 :这个版需要更高级的钓客 05/02 10:46
202F：→ airanfernee :但不论有无阴谋 欧肥跟LBJ的强真的是无庸置疑 05/02 10:46
203F：嘘 liteyu :AI论点太虾 KOBE最好没有爱 05/02 10:51
204F：嘘 qq955166 :前面中肯阿~後面两段是屁话 05/02 10:51
205F：推 mickey2567 :推翻译!嘘屁阿 05/02 10:51
206F：推 squallyo :为啥我觉得讲得很有道理 05/02 10:51
207F：嘘 davis0509 :结论是要大家都去看MLB就好?还是去看F1? 05/02 10:52
208F：推 mickey2567 :好心翻译还要被嘘 没天理了 05/02 10:53
209F：推 MADDUX31 :推翻译 而且原PO的论点蛮有一番道理的 05/02 10:54
210F：推 jacky1990b :战意爆表 05/02 10:54
211F：推 abbcccdddeee:STERN确实有偏爱LBJ 也想塑造他的光环 但没这麽夸张 05/02 10:56
212F：推 abianbitch : 05/02 10:56
213F：推 super1937 :这篇只是翻译阿 被嘘还真衰 第一段就讲了 orz 05/02 10:57
214F：推 iloveaudi :Mlb打假球的也不少尤其实星期天赌盘旺的比赛 05/02 10:57
215F：→ iloveaudi :让分的常会莫名掉洞 05/02 10:57
216F：推 Fanicom :推推翻译~ 05/02 10:58
217F：推 Sephiroth :简单说作者认为这些个性鲜明的超级巨星会挡住LBJ的 05/02 10:59
218F：→ Sephiroth :路 所以要一一铲除,而一些数据漂亮的年轻乖乖牌 05/02 10:59
219F：→ Sephiroth :得到多数人认可 但是没办法拥有大批疯狂粉丝 因为打 05/02 11:00
220F：→ Sephiroth :球太无趣...说的有些道理,也不无可能 商人不可能是 05/02 11:01
221F：→ Sephiroth :像我们所想的 为了维持公正公平的竞争 而牺牲商业利 05/02 11:01
222F：推 kkjjkkjj :推这篇 05/02 11:02
223F：嘘 aa0926 :原来KB和TD都没有爱 冠军戒是天上掉下来的 05/02 11:04
224F：→ aa0926 :乾脆把hill penny 德佬没拿到冠军戒的责任都推给史腾 05/02 11:04
225F：推 mickey2567 :这作者把事实说出来了 05/02 11:06
226F：嘘 panda1031 :很多写的超烂的.... 05/02 11:08
227F：推 hope452162 :前面写的很好，後面烂尾 05/02 11:12
228F：嘘 yihungsky :前面还OK 後面讨论KOBE LBJ就是屁话 笑死人 05/02 11:14
229F：→ yihungsky :"LBJ只会过度运球，破坏球的流动" 眼睛瞎了吧 05/02 11:15
230F：→ MK12 :为什麽他们说Amare与Kidd在手术後依然掌握球赛，而 05/02 11:16
231F：→ MK12 :T-MAC是过气球员? 说得蛮贴切 媒体灌输我们的 05/02 11:16
232F：推 briankof :翻译辛苦了 05/02 11:17
233F：推 newsboy3423 :前三年的骑士阵容 这点不认同 05/02 11:17
234F：嘘 ericrobin :只觉得裁判部分合理 其他狗屁 05/02 11:20
235F：推 kb81 :只好给推了 05/02 11:24
236F：嘘 Seadogking :Amare 跟 Kidd 在手术後的季後赛真的有掌握球赛吗... 05/02 11:26
237F：推 andy556638 :推翻意. 作者是反串科迷吧~ 他其实是想酸KB~ 05/02 11:27
238F：推 kevinaa :太偏激了打压其他球员 不如说那些人老化快 05/02 11:30
239F：推 Seadogking :辛苦翻译推回来好了~~ 05/02 11:30
240F：→ kevinaa :实力就是不如LBJ 而且只剩LBJ NBA会很难看.... 05/02 11:31
241F：推 skitshady :翻的很棒帮推 05/02 11:31
242F：→ kevinaa :跟乔丹打球的帅气度差太多了 05/02 11:32
243F：嘘 molukino :看了半天 这篇还是要嘘一下好了 一半以上的废文 05/02 11:39
244F：推 frank1033 :楼上...人家辛苦翻译 要不然你来翻译啊.!!! 05/02 11:41
245F：→ foxwfl :翻译辛苦了，但文章内容太烂给箭头 05/02 11:42
246F：推 Eijidate :1.PP拿过冠军了, 2.LBJ过度运球??? 05/02 11:52
247F：嘘 OnQ :纯嘘原作者 典型的妄想症人格 05/02 11:53
248F：推 a12569 :翻得很棒呀 05/02 11:54
249F：推 blossomleave:推~~ 05/02 11:56
250F：推 fiaoms :辛苦原po了 05/02 11:56
251F：推 Kleiza :泪推 某些小部份好像有点道理? 05/02 12:01
252F：→ Kleiza :借转感谢您 感谢 05/02 12:01
253F：嘘 lucid1994 :完全狗屁不通 没有证据 矛盾论理 阴谋论 自以为 05/02 12:01
※ Kleiza:转录至看板 IVERSON 05/02 12:02
254F：推 jijuan :嘘的无聊 有翻译还不推? 05/02 12:02
255F：→ Kleiza :我也觉得打球好看的明星好像变少了= =" 05/02 12:03
256F：→ Kleiza :嘘的很无聊耶 他是翻译 翻译给你看还要被嘘? 05/02 12:04
257F：→ Kleiza :不翻译乡民是看的懂喔? 05/02 12:05
258F：推 ThreeNG :嘘内文跟推翻译是两回事 05/02 12:08
259F：推 grayeric :原po也只是翻译而已 大家太激动了 05/02 12:09
260F：推 lukung :似乎太过偏激 而且一直说TD无趣实在很烦 05/02 12:10
261F：推 DASHOCK :原PO翻的真不错 05/02 12:12
262F：推 rich780501 :标准仙迷 不意外! 05/02 12:16
263F：推 molukino :我前面有推过 後面不能嘘吗 05/02 12:21
264F：→ molukino :我还多给他三个推 才嘘一个 因为文章内容真的鸟 05/02 12:22
265F：推 simon0131 :push 05/02 12:30
266F：嘘 daydream772 :狗屁不通的内文 05/02 12:32
267F：推 randy5205 : 05/02 12:45
268F：嘘 airphone :原作者怎麽不说说KOBE几年前的金身呢？ 废文 05/02 12:51
269F：→ airphone :现在没爱就开始酸有爱的？怎麽以前有爱没在批？ 05/02 12:52
270F：推 oldman000 :0.0 05/02 12:53
271F：→ airphone :原来没半次罚球就等於＝没爱 真是了不起的逻辑 05/02 12:54
272F：→ airphone :讲了整篇假中立文章,还不是说kobe也要金身才公平 05/02 12:55
273F：推 hn192 :看看骑士今天的比赛就知道了 05/02 12:55
274F：推 lonelycoffee:惨了很多人的洨皇帝被靠北到 不爽了 05/02 13:02
275F：推 kevev :难到可以5步上篮 还需要和你解释为什麽吗 05/02 13:11
276F：推 airphone :难道可以偷肘击别人装傻 还需要和你解释为什麽吗 05/02 13:15
277F：→ baimoo520 :仙迷不意外 写这啥烂文 柯比吹判正常点就在那嚎叫了 05/02 13:15
278F：推 canonring151:TD被表好大XD 05/02 13:17
279F：推 s9521262 :GOOD! 05/02 13:18
280F：嘘 lewisgb :完全看不懂 但是写的满偏激的 05/02 13:32
281F：推 wayland :原文的意思是联盟对类似TD的球员很有爱 才能衬托LBJ 05/02 13:43
282F：→ wayland :很多人搞错意思了 没爱的是AI TMAC等等 而非TD 05/02 13:44
283F：推 asdfe88466 :翻译给推 05/02 13:47
284F：推 nagisanoff :干 有的乡民已经被史腾洗脑成功了 真辟 05/02 13:53
285F：推 allen7976 :前面好像有点中肯 不过看到後面有点火大 他妈的LBJ最 05/02 14:02
286F：→ allen7976 :好这麽一文不值啦 还是作者觉得只要会绝杀 就可以当 05/02 14:03
287F：→ allen7976 :联盟第一人 那我能不能说Horry是联盟第一人 还有 05/02 14:03
288F：→ allen7976 :x哩良勒 甚麽叫TD复制人 想要故意表Stern也不是这样 05/02 14:04
289F：→ kaiDX :有些中肯 但有些真的很偏激 拉一堆不相干的人来战 05/02 14:11
290F：推 oldman000 :说联盟没黑睄我不信 史腾是XXX 05/02 14:30
291F：推 ImMACACO :Stern xxxx ^.< 05/02 14:38
292F：推 joker6 :Kobe比LBJ做得更好，LBJ只会过度运球，破坏球的流动 05/02 14:48
293F：→ joker6 :这作者是在反串吧XDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05/02 14:48
294F：推 xufunny :这篇太偏激了 05/02 15:01
295F：推 oldeight2009:====================开战====================== 05/02 15:57
296F：嘘 jaysuzuki :嘘作者 05/02 16:09
297F：推 kizuki0315 :中肯.. 05/02 16:13
298F：推 Alfred :翻这篇文章除了练习英文之外没有任何帮助，可以考虑 05/02 17:04
299F：→ Alfred :换篇文章来翻，诚心的建议…… 05/02 17:05
300F：推 kurt28 :翻译辛苦罗 05/02 17:13
301F：推 iiiiiiiiiii :保皇迷都出来了唷 ^.* 05/02 17:20
302F：推 vovzz :阴谋! 阴谋! 05/02 17:45
303F：推 Gipuli :不论战的话,TD Clones 还蛮好笑的 05/02 18:05
304F：→ snow5566 :给箭头 要是詹姆士受到极严重的伤 那史腾不就好笑了 05/02 18:41
305F：推 geniusw : 台肯 05/02 18:52
306F：推 kimisky :TD真是有够衰= =...哭哭 05/02 19:00
307F：推 mea7211 :TD的实力和他打球无趣是不相干的两回事 可以同时成立 05/02 19:14
308F：→ mea7211 :不过这也算是躺着中枪吧XD 05/02 19:14
309F：嘘 righthand :阿科长的好看？ 05/02 19:20
310F：推 bogubogu :楼上比KB帅?? 05/02 19:27
311F：嘘 susy88kent :纯嘘作者 05/03 11:42
312F：推 jerryyuan : 05/03 11:49
313F：嘘 Isoroku5566 :骑士的阵容比LA更好？原作在幻想？ 05/03 12:53
314F：→ Isoroku5566 :不是嘘翻译喔 xd 05/03 12:53
315F：推 Isoroku5566 :补推爆～ 05/03 12:55
316F：嘘 roger744 :仙迷仙到太过头 只战LBJ一人已经不满足了 05/03 13:54
317F：推 roger744 :补推爆 05/03 13:56
318F：推 mrchica :推AI... 05/03 18:49
319F：推 adonM :史腾讨厌AI已经不是新闻了 05/04 01:16
320F：→ zi98btcc :哀，阴谋论层出不穷 05/07 16:07