作者Ye11owRiver (贺!金钟影帝GET!)
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标题Re: [情报] NBA单季各数据之王
时间Wed May 5 02:11:02 2010
1F:推 kobebryant08:乔丹才是自干王吧 05/04 17:27
2F:推 kobebryant08:没进哨音就来了 当然命中率高 05/04 17:30
Career FTA/FGA
Michael Jordan 0.3575
Kobe Bryant 0.3957
3F:推 kobebryant08:JORDAN那有如婴儿般的三分球命中率 05/04 17:52
Playoffs 3P%
Michael Jordan 0.332
Kobe Bryant 0.332
4F:推 bleedingsoul:可见古早的防守强度 没外线威胁还可以容易切入 05/04 18:40
5F:推 kizuki0315 :MJ时代不能联防 当然可以切爽爽 05/04 19:07
6F:→ kizuki0315 :MJ放到现在 得分先扣个五分吧 05/04 19:07
7F:→ kizuki0315 :这就是为什麽很多人觉得Kobe在MJ之上 外线够准05/04 19:07
8F:推 kobebryant08:Kobe到以前得分应该跟喝水一样吧 哪里都能05/04 19:09
看一下下面这部影片吧
喔,如果你们看得懂的话
Michael Jordan vs Zone Defenses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tXwAhMVb1Y
New York Times November 4, 1987
"Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harassment of zone traps and double
and triple-teaming to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game."
"You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach
Larry Brown.
"The
college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael
[Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."
During a 2007 L.A. Lakers pre-season broadcast,
Phil Jackson was asked how he
thought Michael Jordan would perform today, Phil said:
"Michael would average
45 with these rules."
Under an interpretation of the rules adopted by the NBA, if Dumars were
playing today he would not be allowed to guard Jordan so physically, or
perhaps even guard him at all. Asked if he could defend Jordan under todays
interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed,
"It would have been
virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the games
being called right now." Dumars said.
90's defenses were the best defenses at containing perimeter basketball
players. 90's defenses took the best aspects of 80's defenses and added to
them. 00's defenses were stripped of their rights to actually physically
contain the ball handler.
LeBron James, Tony Parker and Dwyane Wade can get to the rim at will, so you
know Michael Jordan would in today's NBA if he was in his prime, in fact,
Jordan would DESTROY this league. DESTROY!!!
The NBA itself (Rod Thorn) admits that the new rules (no handchecking,
defensive 3 seconds) were put in place to "open up the game"
Question for
Clyde Drexler:
In the current league where there is
no hand checking and no ruff play how
much better would your numbers be?
Clyde Drexler: "
Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points
per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more
points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then.
I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders,
because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It
is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys
defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on.
For guys who penetrate these days, it's hunting season.
Yes, now you can
(legally)play (floating)zone, but teams rarely do."
"It's pretty hard to play defense against these quicker guards without
touching them a little bit," Tex Winter said. I think the officials are going
to have to make an adjustment too. They cant call all those touch fouls. You
cant be as aggressive as youd like to be with your hands. You cant be into
the guy as much. Tex Winter "As a result, defense now becomes a matter of
waiting for the offensive player to make a mistake, rather than forcing a
turnover." Tex Winter said. "Players today can get to the basket individually
much easier."
"I think that Jordan Rules defense, as much as anything else, played a part in
the making of Michael Jordan," said Tex Winter, who was an assistant coach for
that Chicago team. "The 1990 loss forced Jordan and the Bulls to find an
answer to Detroits muscle. Those Jordan Rules were murder," Winter explained.
"The fact that we could win the next year even though they were playing that
defense says everything about Jordan as a competitor. Any lesser player would
have folded his tent. Jordan had to dig deeper to respond to the Pistons, and
his effort pushed his Bulls to six championships over the next eight seasons."
Tex Winter, now 84 and the veteran of more than a half century of coaching,
has serious misgivings about what the league has done.
Winter acknowledges
the outgrowth of the new rules interpretation is the rise of the super
dominant offensive player, led by Wades performance in the NBA Finals and
Bryants string of 40-, 50, even 60-point games during the regular season.
"It's brought all these 40-point scorers," Winter said. "They cant score 40
points unless they get 15-20 free throws. And thats exactly what they were
getting on their big nights."
Case in point: during Kobe Bryant's 62 point game in 3 quarters, most forget
that he was given 25 free throws in 3 quarters and multiple Dallas Mavs
players were given technicals for complaining due to their disbelief over the
fouls being called.
"The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy
in certain areas .... [have] all been taken away from the game. If Kobe could
get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game." - Scottie Pippen
January 2006
Craig Hodges is the Lakers shooting coach, get a look at what he said:
Q: If you could take one player in their prime, would you take Michael Jordan
or Kobe?
A: M.J., all day. There's no comparison. M.J. could score 100 points in this
era. You can't hand-check now. Imagine that trying to guard M.J. It would be
crazy.
Hall of Famer
Rick Barry, a keen observer of the game, said
he would love to
see players of the past getting to attack the basket under the new
officiating. Theyd score a lot more, he said.
Even youth basketball coaches can tell you that
"a good zone looks like a
man-to-man, and a good man-to-man looks like a zone."
防守三秒规则下的现今防守 vs 乔丹时代的防守
http://0rz.tw/ZebBM
1.在防守三秒的规则下,即便使用区域防守
那也是被阉割过的版本,更遑论防守不好或是不用区防的队伍
那就更好切了
2.在防守三秒的规则下,可以等禁区的球员退出来再切进去
3.乔丹时代的禁区,无论何时总是站满了一堆死钉在里面的大个子
另外附送
Michael Jordan vs. Piston's Defense (aka: "Jordan Rules")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE&feature=player_embedded
Michael Jordan vs. Knick's Defense - An Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ&feature=player_embedded
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9F:推 rabbit190 :XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05/05 02:16
10F:推 KobeIchiro :请考虑科迷的感受XDD 05/05 02:16
11F:推 libobobo :好HIGH的回文 更期待"印象派大师"要怎麽回了 05/05 02:16
12F:推 TaksNo7 :优质科迷一定直接end 继续跳针 05/05 02:18
13F:推 iamokk :我帮科迷想好说法了.."这些人都是说场面话" 05/05 02:19
14F:推 henrie :好文推 不知道球队得分因为这个规则上升了多少? 05/05 02:20
15F:→ iamokk :"反正if的事永远不能得证,科仙还是最棒的,啾咪" 05/05 02:20
16F:推 rich780501 :你这样他们看不懂 他们一看到KOBE就升天了XD 05/05 02:21
17F:推 cyber417 :回的太棒了...XD 05/05 02:21
18F:推 tturttle :真是一针见血XD 05/05 02:22
19F:推 iamokk :Jordan would DESTROY this league. DESTROY!!! 05/05 02:23
20F:→ iamokk :我喜欢这句,简单明了 05/05 02:23
21F:推 delete4067 :这篇不M说不过去,算是最近这阵子整理最完整的好文 05/05 02:23
22F:推 aa22456222 :这篇真是压倒性的重拳阿= = 05/05 02:25
23F:推 Rain0224 :XD 05/05 02:25
24F:推 DeonBon :好文! 05/05 02:28
25F:推 stootz :请考虑科迷心中的感受好吗XDD 05/05 02:29
26F:推 cyber417 :在推 真的太用心了~~ 05/05 02:29
27F:推 graymeyer :哇呜 赶尽杀绝哩~ 05/05 02:30
28F:推 tony77998 :婴儿般的三分球命中率 XDDDD 结果2个都婴儿? 05/05 02:30
29F:推 hihi29 :推 05/05 02:30
30F:→ p1ayouro1e :太多英文 看不懂 我只知道我们科比老大拿过81分 05/05 02:32
31F:推 sdx0805 :太晚发文了啦 这样高中生都在睡觉了 05/05 02:33
32F:推 minoru04 :当大多数人都认为MJ超越前人的时候 就不需要证实了 05/05 02:33
33F:推 RayGun34 :XD 05/05 02:33
34F:→ minoru04 :KOBE还要用各种方法试图证实超越MJ的可能 只是代表 05/05 02:33
35F:→ minoru04 :大多数人不认同他有超越 05/05 02:34
36F:推 agassi001 :有没有科迷不先研究好数据就想战老乔的八卦@@? 05/05 02:34
37F:推 stootz :科迷要崩溃了 05/05 02:36
38F:推 l119thunder :2.0终究比不上1.0 05/05 02:37
39F:推 benjason :来个反串的科迷干嘛那麽认真对付他们? 05/05 02:37
40F:推 minisex5566 :=================不要害科科迷等等又高潮 05/05 02:37
41F:推 vannistl :KOBE还要用各种方法试图证实超越MJ的可能? 嗯~ 05/05 02:37
42F:推 Rain0224 :原PO使出重击 请____选择:1.防御 2.闪躲 3.逃离战场 05/05 02:38
43F:→ jiuan1027 :0315是印象派大师 不意外 05/05 02:38
44F:→ vannistl :很好玩的一件事 球员自己没问题 球迷自己倒战得很爽 05/05 02:38
45F:→ vannistl :还开始把球迷间的观点套在球员身上了 05/05 02:39
46F:推 NorthernStar:又是hand-check又是区域,以前要得分还真辛苦。 05/05 02:39
47F:推 sdx0805 :Rain大 选项应该改为 1.跳针 2.继续跳针 3.还是跳针 05/05 02:39
48F:推 StupidLake :每次MJ的影片都会影响我看现在比赛的慾望,还是少看好 05/05 02:41
49F:推 iamokk :比较好奇Dumars,Pip来现在的比赛防守,多久会犯满 05/05 02:42
50F:→ ShineShineJu:长江,请问你重点是什麽阿? 05/05 02:43
51F:推 jackloutter :GJ 05/05 02:44
52F:推 PTTers :科迷世代就是一些没有看过前人经典的新世代~ 05/05 02:48
53F:→ PTTers :现今防守 vs 乔丹时代的防守, 是帮了kobe压制O'neal 05/05 02:49
54F:→ PTTers :NBA 每一世代的规则都是在帮助後卫,打压中峰 05/05 02:50
55F:推 alphabeat :感觉你是被反串钓到 05/05 02:50
56F:推 yisdl :kobebryant08 (科比仙人跳) 05/05 02:51
57F:→ yisdl :不过回得这麽多 还是辛苦了XD 05/05 02:52
58F:推 pf775101 :Kobe这种等级的到以前得分还是可以跟喝水一样 05/05 02:52
59F:推 PTTers :如果回到张伯伦的年代一个O'neal得分可以超过5个狗鼻 05/05 02:54
60F:推 tony77998 : 他那可能常常呛到ㄟ 05/05 02:54
61F:推 yisdl :George Mikan 6'10 白人,现在可以打那里?:p 05/05 02:57
62F:→ chun77129 :kobe的成就是不能量化的 你们懂吗 精神与质才重要 05/05 02:58
63F:→ chun77129 :kobe 05-06年多强 你们知道吗? 明年绝对是生涯年 05/05 02:59
64F:推 Expressotea :这篇瞬间酸民就哑口无言 05/05 03:00
65F:→ chun77129 :看球看久了就是会贵古贱今 kobe是新一代统治者 05/05 03:00
66F:推 kobebryant08:辛苦你了 05/05 03:00
67F:→ yisdl :Kobe是新一代的酸民统治者 看到Kobe就起乩:p 05/05 03:01
68F:推 PTTers :一拿数据出来就"kobe的成就是不能量化的" = = 05/05 03:02
69F:推 a34567 :Jordan Rule就表示是jordan才有的待遇 05/05 03:03
70F:推 HollyCross :来罗来罗!!!!!! 05/05 03:03
71F:→ PTTers :不如直接说 Kobe 的超高命中率是不能用数据看透的 05/05 03:03
72F:→ a34567 :当年的防守有其强硬之处 但是不能否认的区域联防开放 05/05 03:03
73F:→ a34567 :之後 整个联盟的三分球比例皆因此上升了 05/05 03:04
74F:推 F100 :哈,顾虑一下他们的感受好吗? 05/05 03:05
75F:推 kobebryant08:为什麽这些这麽晚睡吗 怎不早点睡 05/05 03:05
76F:推 yisdl :PTTers和chun77129在说相声吗?XD 05/05 03:06
77F:→ kobebryant08:要不然怎看湖人狂电爵士? 05/05 03:06
78F:→ kobebryant08:各位晚安啦 原PO早点睡喔 05/05 03:06
79F:推 SHITinHeaven:kobebryant08 顾左右而言他中 05/05 03:07
80F:推 cyber417 :开始喽~~数据出来就说数据不代表一切喽~~ 05/05 03:07
81F:推 F100 :XDDDDDD,顾左右而言他是个好招啊! 05/05 03:08
82F:推 kobebryant08:酸一下蛮开心的阿 谁管这麽多~掰 05/05 03:09
83F:→ F100 :阿是要掰几次? 05/05 03:09
84F:推 libobobo :逊掉了 kb08 哈哈 看来你才是婴儿罗 05/05 03:10
85F:→ chun77129 :kobe 的斗志是逆境激发的 前几场恶战已经让他觉醒 05/05 03:12
86F:→ chun77129 :kobe即将恐怖统治NBA 抓稳了 要起飞罗 05/05 03:13
87F:推 iamokk :77129应该是反串 05/05 03:14
88F:推 TaksNo7 :chun大模仿胡迷微妙微俏 XDDD 05/05 03:16
90F:推 yisdl :T大模仿太阳迷也维妙维肖啊XD 05/05 03:19
91F:→ kevinaa :看科比如何面对超弱的90年代爵士防守 05/05 03:20
92F:推 maxliao :原PO这样太不厚道了 想想以前跟现在的差异吧 想想 05/05 03:21
93F:→ Rain0224 :可以伸Kobe那场的数据吗 XD 05/05 03:21
94F:推 a2364983 :那连结好酷... 05/05 03:22
95F:推 yisdl :Russel 不意外XD 05/05 03:23
96F:→ yisdl :不过Eddie Jones等球等到快哭了:p 05/05 03:24
97F:推 kevinaa :一堆人都看科仙10几年了 科迷的想怎麽膨风 唉 05/05 03:26
98F:→ pf775101 :那场应该是97季後赛,Kobe 4-14。 05/05 03:39
99F:推 airphone :kobebryant08 没料就闭嘴 05/05 03:44
100F:推 airphone :08想帮自己偶像护航,结果婊到自己偶像 有好笑到 05/05 03:47
101F:推 airphone :拿来当签名档满适合的XDDD 05/05 03:49
102F:→ yisdl :kobebryant08的偶像是谁?XD 05/05 03:52
103F:推 recky04 :好文值得一推再推 05/05 03:57
104F:推 linschng :中肯好文! 05/05 03:59
105F:→ lis3065 :看到ID里面有kobe就知道不用跟他认真了 原PO被钓了 05/05 04:01
106F:推 conanhide :I will destroy everyone in 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05/05 04:07
107F:嘘 lonelycoffee:以古贱今 05/05 04:09
108F:→ conanhide :现在其实一堆人贵今贱古说 05/05 04:09
109F:推 gunking333 :以古钓今 XDDD 05/05 04:39
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110F:推 Mingke :这篇稳爆的 抢位置来坐 05/05 04:51
111F:推 Sadan :现在的"飞人"们感觉起来真不扎实,一到国际赛就只能 05/05 04:52
112F:→ Sadan :折返跑消磨别队的体力了 05/05 04:53
113F:推 rothschild99:推!!! 05/05 04:59
114F:推 banditer :科迷会高潮喔 05/05 05:15
115F:推 Jerry3732 :会吗? 反迷看到反串比较高潮 XD 05/05 05:22
116F:推 bobokoko :推 05/05 05:26
117F:推 Jerry3732 :好文还是要推一下 以前犯规真的较狠 05/05 05:28
118F:推 PaulErdos :呜 我是科迷 我要装死不回这篇 05/05 05:28
119F:推 ooplus :这篇一点都不意外 有些人没料就只会讲些543 无脑挺 05/05 05:49
120F:推 pgpayton :有资料帮推 05/05 06:04
121F:推 CarlosBoozer:以前的防守球员也不能周围没有进攻球员,所以死钉在 05/05 06:11
122F:→ CarlosBoozer:禁区应该是不成立的,这点和现今的规则类似。 05/05 06:13
123F:推 qwerd :这篇该m 05/05 06:15
124F:→ CarlosBoozer:周围有进攻球员,就能合法地待在禁区多久都没问题 05/05 06:15
125F:推 MVPartest :有深度的一篇 05/05 06:31
126F:→ DKGodman :拜托 LBJ比乔丹强 很奇怪吗? 05/05 06:32
127F:推 casey72017 :XD 那几只可以开个自婊大会了 05/05 06:35
128F:推 wwrcjk :天理难容 请考虑科迷感受好吗~~ 05/05 06:37
129F:嘘 MakeAWash :请考虑科迷感受 05/05 06:41
130F:推 pet8969 :人X:科迷也有人权~~给他们一条改过自新的路好吗 05/05 07:00
131F:推 JerryChanel :棒! 05/05 07:17
132F:推 Amgine :笑死我了XDDDDDDDDDDD 05/05 07:21
133F:推 jaysuzuki :那些人到底是不是反串啊,活在自己世界的OO 05/05 07:28
134F:推 power989 :印象派大师用他婴儿般的脑袋思考...别跟他计较啦... 05/05 07:30
135F:→ Gerrard1004 :那个人是反串的看不出来吗? 05/05 07:30
136F:→ Gerrard1004 :就是很多反迷很爱去申请KOBE的帐号来反串 唉 大概人 05/05 07:31
137F:→ Gerrard1004 :生太无趣 05/05 07:31
138F:推 Wil :KB在以前的话,喝水应该会常呛到 05/05 07:35
139F:推 cronohyde :科迷会自动略过 05/05 07:41
140F:推 sinker :如果是以前那种防守强度 AI应该就不是AI了吧 05/05 07:41
141F:嘘 jaysuzuki :那我嘘反串的,等等补推 05/05 07:42
142F:推 jaysuzuki :AI没在怕的 05/05 07:46
143F:推 Gerrard1004 :反串何其多...XD看到某些反迷看到反串还会高潮才好笑 05/05 08:01
144F:→ Gerrard1004 :然後就全部推给湖迷~ 05/05 08:01
145F:推 xufunny :KB08不是反串吧 湖板还有一篇他的文 05/05 08:01
146F:推 bbob :原PO上色上的很用心喔~ 重点都点出来了 05/05 08:02
147F:推 ntusimmon :嘴炮被电死刚好 05/05 08:02
148F:→ Gerrard1004 :好吧 也有可能我记错 我记得之前在NBA版看到一个KOBE 05/05 08:03
149F:→ Gerrard1004 :完整ID的反串XD 05/05 08:04
150F:→ Gerrard1004 :而且在湖版有PO文很难知道是不是反串喔 也有很多人 05/05 08:04
151F:推 ASDF0714 :糟糕 被电爆了 05/05 08:04
152F:→ Gerrard1004 :反很大 喜欢跑来闹~结果被桶又跑到这说司法不公 05/05 08:04
153F:→ Gerrard1004 :查一下他的ID 我肯定他是反串!!! 05/05 08:06
154F:推 noocar :我还以为有人要被桶了 05/05 08:13
155F:推 ppbigass :kobe迷多半都国中生 英文文章应该看不懂 05/05 08:14
156F:→ kerry0496x :不论科迷、皇党,就是有这种不自量力的人... 05/05 08:15
157F:→ kerry0496x :MJ真的是难以撼动啊,硬是要呛 = = 05/05 08:16
158F:→ kerry0496x : 自不 @@ 05/05 08:19
159F:推 jaysuzuki :说不自量力也通啦 05/05 08:26
160F:推 bassoonboy :好文 05/05 08:38
161F:推 pennix :劝世好文 05/05 08:38
162F:推 bassoonboy :防守的手部动作.... 05/05 08:42
163F:推 allenJr :以前NBA的防守真的很机歪…得分比较难!防守太硬 05/05 08:43
164F:推 maxisam :好文 05/05 08:45
165F:→ dhand :湖迷都国中生 请考虑他们的程度和感受好吗? 05/05 08:45
166F:→ chancewen :楼上你该被捅了 05/05 08:47
167F:推 Slowbone :我大笑~~有你的 05/05 08:48
168F:推 kof34011043 :那个"Jordan Rules"好威阿... 05/05 08:50
169F:推 peter331 :有没有翻译@_@" 05/05 08:51
170F:嘘 kobesuck :科迷被巴假的就开始切割了 说他是反串 还有没有别招? 05/05 08:53
171F:推 bassoonboy :重点是老乔面对这种防守得命中率.... 05/05 08:53
172F:推 BeanBryant :我只能说不能跟老乔这种怪物比啊XDDDD 05/05 08:54
173F:→ lsmking7219 :================请顾虑科迷感受=================== 05/05 08:55
174F:推 qq955166 :================请顾虑科迷感受=================== 05/05 09:01
175F:推 bassoonboy :这主题玩完啦.... 05/05 09:02
176F:推 gary801523 :科迷:1.有没有新的2.老哽3..... 05/05 09:02
177F:推 victor21835 :================请顾虑科迷感受=================== 05/05 09:03
178F:推 permoon :收z-6-90-50 05/05 09:04
179F:→ ntusimmon :==========急流勇退魂 没梗想酸反串被抓到========== 05/05 09:06
180F:推 ymca900 :科迷: 3.我想哭 05/05 09:07
181F:推 permoon :不管是反串还是湖迷,总算也是钓到好文一篇XDDD 05/05 09:07
182F:推 debris :科迷在电脑前崩溃难道你们要负责吗 请注意下手轻重 05/05 09:11
183F:推 kerry0496x :欸某吉祥物,先成为乔神信徒,再成为湖迷的人 05/05 09:15
184F:→ kerry0496x :会看不下去是当然的,这样你也有意见? 05/05 09:15
185F:推 lelio5566 :dhand :湖迷都国中生 请考虑他们的程度和感受 05/05 09:16
186F:推 brandley :只能推了 05/05 09:16
187F:推 jj75520 :老乔是神 科科是人 要比较的话 科科会很难看 05/05 09:17
188F:推 chipretender:有人不是胡迷也是xx生 词性傻傻分不清楚 05/05 09:17
189F:推 max02105 :感动!!!干嘛顾虑DK迷感受 05/05 09:17
190F:推 tacos :情何以堪XD 05/05 09:18
191F:推 jijuan :请顾虑科迷感受XD 05/05 09:19
192F:推 gn02335338 :================请顾虑科迷感受=================== 05/05 09:20
193F:推 TheUnloved :大推好文 05/05 09:23
194F:→ ksk0516 :0315不就是上面包叔那篇说神米很软的ㄉㄉ吗? 05/05 09:23
195F:推 taiker :================请顾虑科迷感受=================== 05/05 09:23
196F:推 MolloM :请考虑科迷的感受XDD 05/05 09:24
197F:嘘 kizuki0315 :以古贱今 90年代的防守真的很好? 05/05 09:24
198F:→ kizuki0315 :以前公牛失分103分联盟第一 几年前小牛失分103分联盟 05/05 09:25
199F:→ Gerrard1004 :kobesuck出来了 nba版目前反串排行榜第一名 小咖自然 05/05 09:25
200F:→ kizuki0315 :倒数第一 05/05 09:25
201F:→ Gerrard1004 :看不上眼罗 说到反串 谁比你行? 05/05 09:25
202F:→ Gerrard1004 :KOBE迷会在状态打KOBE仙人跳?别笑死人了 05/05 09:25
203F:→ kizuki0315 :Kobe在允许联防之下拿下81分 Mr.81 05/05 09:26
204F:→ Gerrard1004 :认同好文一篇,不过很多鸟推文 05/05 09:26
205F:推 allenJr :0315就不要再出来跳了…你知道为了让得分增加,史大 05/05 09:27
206F:→ allenJr :人改了多少对「进攻」有利的规则吗? 05/05 09:27
207F:→ Gerrard1004 :ntusimmon 要不要去查查他的状态? 05/05 09:27
208F:→ ksk0516 :0315:神米很软,MJ放到现在得分先扣五分 05/05 09:27
209F:推 dwyanelin :0315新的到处酸的 以後可以忽略了 05/05 09:27
210F:推 kizuki0315 :以前只能一对一防守 根本不需要有什麽有利的规则.. 05/05 09:28
211F:→ Gerrard1004 :是KOBE迷会说那种话我只能说..可能有双重人格 05/05 09:28
212F:→ kizuki0315 :不能联防 你在外围洗个几次 一定有控档 05/05 09:28
213F:→ kizuki0315 :不要再以古贱今了 更别提现今的球员重视重训 05/05 09:29
214F:→ Gerrard1004 :不过这篇没有104真是见鬼了 05/05 09:29
215F:推 max02105 :所以呢 科迷请回队版... 05/05 09:29
216F:→ kizuki0315 :连禅师都说Kobe是2.0 难道你们内行得过禅师? 05/05 09:30
217F:→ kerry0496x : kizuki0315,禅师很爱放话你又不是不知道 05/05 09:31
218F:推 dOodoOhOw :这篇又没有乱枪打鸟批Kobe,我只看到反迷在高潮。 05/05 09:32
219F:→ Gerrard1004 :zzzzzzzz 反迷出来赶人了,kobe原来不是nba球员 05/05 09:32
220F:推 barbossa :可是禅师也说MJ放到现在AVG45耶,还是说看错? 05/05 09:32
221F:→ Gerrard1004 :推DO大 XD 而且反迷还是攻击战友耶!!! 05/05 09:33
222F:→ Gerrard1004 :KOBEBRYANT08:我是自己人 别打到我阿~~~~~~ 05/05 09:33
223F:→ dOodoOhOw :Mike是鬼神这种生活小常识还用不着大师们的教导。 05/05 09:33
224F:推 yiangluen :以前的防守才强好吗? 根本像在打架了 05/05 09:34
225F:→ dOodoOhOw :噢顺带一提,那防守与其说强不如说是tough, 05/05 09:35
226F:推 dwyanelin :hand checking差很多 05/05 09:35
227F:→ dOodoOhOw :如果准许现代的防守第一队handcheck恐怕会更猛。 05/05 09:35
228F:推 goinwindmax :0315以为乔丹不重视重训吗?禅师的话也信 厉害厉害 05/05 09:36
229F:→ goinwindmax :连乔丹的成就都可以被讲成贵古贱今 科迷真是超强 05/05 09:37
230F:推 madgame :我看不出0315是反串还是认真的 T_T 05/05 09:37
231F:推 eexile :推优质好文!! 05/05 09:38
232F:推 jijuan :请问kizuki0315 你能PO一下你说的数据吗?得失分那个 05/05 09:39
233F:推 devilsky :被电到飞起来 05/05 09:39
234F:→ kobesuck :哇哇哇 正义铁拳出动罗 等等要不要急流勇退一下 05/05 09:39
235F:→ Rain0224 :2.0? 禅师没这样说,湖人板有原文能找 05/05 09:40
236F:推 CoolPan :快打垮这群盲目崇拜的科科迷阿! 05/05 09:43
237F:推 GoodGoodEat :屌 05/05 09:43
238F:→ dOodoOhOw :侠 05/05 09:45
239F:推 ntusimmon :0315有酸过柯比吗? 好像没有耶 05/05 09:45
240F:推 Gerrard1004 :正义铁拳哪比的上反串天王阿XDDD 05/05 09:45
241F:→ dOodoOhOw :话说e04咧?我有点想念他0.0 05/05 09:45
242F:→ Gerrard1004 :说到反串天王 你不是说你是科迷吗 ?现在怎麽又反科了 05/05 09:45
243F:→ Gerrard1004 :你搞的我好乱阿^.< 05/05 09:46
244F:→ ksk0516 :0315帮找一下公牛失分103分联盟第一的年份好吗?谢 05/05 09:46
245F:→ Gerrard1004 :老实说我也分不出0315是敌是友XDDDD 05/05 09:47
246F:→ Gerrard1004 :只好无视.... 05/05 09:47
247F:→ allen7976 :某迷就是废 05/05 09:48
248F:→ cjs010629 :十贤者出现了! 05/05 09:48
249F:→ allen7976 :某迷:我家科仙人还会用龟派气功勒 05/05 09:49
250F:推 kent8207 :支持的如果可以不要跳针 去弄篇科比文不是更好? 05/05 09:50
251F:→ Rain0224 :龟派气功...XD 05/05 09:50
252F:→ Rain0224 :所以悟空和克林天天背负重物,跑步送牛奶是因为重视 05/05 09:51
253F:推 eric53 :两边都战才是真战神 05/05 09:51
254F:→ Rain0224 :基本功吗 XD 05/05 09:51
255F:嘘 oneal6110891:哈哈哈 真爽 看到有人被洗脸 柯柯 05/05 09:51
256F:→ oneal6110891:晚点补 05/05 09:52
257F:推 dOodoOhOw :某迷到底是啥迷啊?咱们LA那一只应该是不会气功啦。 05/05 09:52
258F:推 kerry0496x :会气功的是勉族,被克劳佛发现XDDDD 05/05 09:53
259F:→ dOodoOhOw :Dirk:我是会气功啦,问AK就知道。 05/05 09:54
260F:推 dhand :请考虑湖迷的感受 拿MJ来战你叫他们怎麽反击? 05/05 09:56
261F:推 winlight :那影片我第一次看到 真是开了眼界 05/05 09:56
262F:推 kerry0496x :还想辩的,只会被更资深的湖迷骂,因为MJ是神 05/05 09:57
263F:推 oneal6110891:补 05/05 09:57
264F:推 justin1943 :Gerrard1004根本没人鸟你^_< 05/05 09:59
265F:推 OrzJ :好文 05/05 10:00
266F:推 dOodoOhOw :60岁湖迷:我只知道Wilt跟Bill,Jordan是谁? 05/05 10:00
267F:推 TiangLei :科比想跟MJ比根本越级打怪 去跟梯妹比吧 05/05 10:00
268F:推 dhand :原po有歧视湖迷之嫌 05/05 10:00
269F:推 transa :jordan 超man kobe被摸毛就要该该叫 05/05 10:03
270F:→ kerry0496x :wilt、Bill... 元老级@@ 连天钩、Magic都... 05/05 10:04
271F:嘘 james20631 :科比是NBA有史以来最强球星好吗?成就了大欧跟加索 05/05 10:04
272F:推 ASDF0714 :被电爆的不要再硬凹了 越来越糗而已 05/05 10:04
273F:→ james20631 :你看他销魂的出手数~~换来这麽高的得分~~ 05/05 10:05
274F:→ dOodoOhOw :反串迷:被电爆也没差,我只是来反串而已。 05/05 10:05
275F:→ james20631 :我真想知道当年同岁数的乔丹表现如何 05/05 10:06
276F:推 Gerrard1004 :1943你以为有人鸟你? 05/05 10:06
277F:推 TiangLei :好爽 把出庭迷电到钉在墙上 05/05 10:06
278F:→ wupeiwen :最好60岁湖迷之後都不看篮球-.- 05/05 10:06
279F:推 ZIMX :科迷A被打爆毫无反击之力 科迷B:他是反串^_< 05/05 10:06
280F:→ james20631 :不要再说科比猥亵女生好吗~~人非圣贤孰能无过 05/05 10:07
281F:推 handsomecat :要崩溃了 05/05 10:07
282F:→ Gerrard1004 :磊哥跟ZIMX有没有新一点的招阿? 05/05 10:08
283F:→ dOodoOhOw :咱们科迷各自都有stand-alone system的。 05/05 10:09
284F:推 bowenwin :人不要脸天下无敌 这点KB8的确做到了XD 05/05 10:10
285F:推 ZIMX :关你屌事?? 05/05 10:10
286F:→ ZIMX :科迷讲不赢就快变成哭迷了 哭哭 05/05 10:11
287F:→ james20631 :要这麽多脸干麻~~~他的职业是篮球员~~不要在酸他了 05/05 10:11
※ bullsgogo:转录至看板 AIR_JORDAN 05/05 10:11
288F:推 bullsgogo :转老婴儿板 05/05 10:11
289F:→ ZIMX :Gerrard1004别哭啦要马你就回一篇狗鼻比乔神强的文咩 05/05 10:11
290F:→ ZIMX :讲不赢就在推文搞分割只能说科迷已经很弱了还不团结 05/05 10:12
291F:推 dwyanelin :说别人没招就是自己先没招咩 就是这麽简单 05/05 10:13
292F:→ ZIMX :反正Gerrard1004的招就是把别人ID打出来一个一个战 05/05 10:14
293F:→ ZIMX :讲不赢就消失了 哭哭 05/05 10:14
294F:推 dOodoOhOw :原来楼上不是把别人ID打出来战0.0a 05/05 10:16
295F:推 ZIMX :我只打他一个 你看他打几个 高手阿 05/05 10:17
296F:→ dOodoOhOw :<囧 我只是路过看好戏的湖迷 05/05 10:18
297F:推 dhand :放过湖迷一马吧! 他们快哭了! 05/05 10:19
298F:推 xufunny :如果是反串真的很不可取 可能需要看一下精神科医生 05/05 10:20
299F:→ sklyn :kizuki搬81分来自我安慰的能力真强。 05/05 10:23
300F:→ sklyn :L.Brown说MJ会场均50、P.Jackson说MJ会场均45 etc... 05/05 10:24
301F:→ sklyn :反正你对这些人的回应就是"贵古贱今。" 05/05 10:25
302F:→ james20631 :那又怎麽样呢~~MJ有得过81分吗~~^.< 05/05 10:25
303F:→ james20631 :MJ有老大会出手吗??~~MJ有老大在丹佛受欢迎吗? 05/05 10:26
304F:→ dOodoOhOw :楼上的忠诚度比我十年湖迷还高,实在佩服。 05/05 10:27
305F:→ sklyn :MJ永远不会有单场81分,不用做梦了。但是 又如何? 05/05 10:28
306F:推 brandley :依某些人的逻辑来看..张伯伦最强..可以惦惦了 05/05 10:28
307F:推 PaulErdos :你们太残忍了 科迷都快哭死了还一直补刀 05/05 10:28
308F:→ james20631 :不要伤害科比~~他真的很会打球~~也很会做人 05/05 10:29
309F:推 Gerrard1004 :ZIMX慢慢跳黑,懒的奉陪 05/05 10:29
310F:→ Gerrard1004 :我知道你闷很久了 不过等每月离开的时候你大概又要.. 05/05 10:30
311F:→ vick6339 :有MJ跟Kobe 难怪这篇会爆 05/05 10:30
312F:→ Gerrard1004 :趁你还有办法多呛人的时候多呛点吧^^ 05/05 10:30
313F:→ Gerrard1004 :都证明给你看是反串了还要拼命跳针 跳不完耶 05/05 10:30
314F:→ dOodoOhOw :改天战一下Usher跟Timberlake如何 05/05 10:30
315F:推 nickywang :张孝全:去洗把脸吧!科迷 05/05 10:35
316F:推 oplk :三分命中率那一段引用错推文了吧......那是不同篇的 05/05 10:35
317F:推 ZIMX :Gerrard1004到底再说杀洨?什麽闷很久什麽每月离开? 05/05 10:36
318F:推 permoon :不要理他,虽然很多人想斗倒我但是我目前很稳 05/05 10:37
319F:→ ZIMX :完全搞不懂你脑子装啥东西 真可怜 05/05 10:37
320F:推 permoon :倒是ZIMX你的发文已经游走边缘了,请自重。 05/05 10:37
321F:→ james20631 :湖迷说话是很高妙的~~启是尔等凡夫俗子能了解 05/05 10:37
322F:→ ZIMX :我觉得我们要可怜这种科迷 护航护到语无伦次 科科 05/05 10:38
323F:推 oplk :那一篇不是说引用出手次数生涯年吗?这篇引不一样的 05/05 10:38
324F:→ oplk :数据......虽然career的数据这样没错 05/05 10:38
325F:→ ZIMX :呵呵 真的 口气似乎有那麽一点点不好 算了 吃饭去 05/05 10:38
326F:推 dOodoOhOw :跟james20631比起来,kobesuck跟e04su3比较有趣。 05/05 10:39
327F:→ oplk : 季後赛 05/05 10:39
328F:→ AiPacInO :go yakee 05/05 10:39
329F:推 TiangLei :去洗把脸吧 仙迷XD 05/05 10:42
330F:推 sotight :我怎麽觉得高潮的是反科迷... 05/05 10:45
331F:→ Gerrard1004 :我没有想斗倒你阿 想太多了 05/05 10:46
332F:→ Gerrard1004 :只是说等你不当板主 他恐怕就....无法这麽嚣张而已 05/05 10:46
333F:推 CCFACE :一击杀.....gj 05/05 10:48
334F:推 allen7257 :知识份子的傲慢.认错真的不可耻 05/05 10:51
335F:推 pippen2002 :不要忽略我! 05/05 10:59
336F:推 goechi :还用比吗? 05/05 11:02
337F:推 SupremeBeing:跟科科计较太多你就输了 因为他们永远没有错 05/05 11:03
338F:推 dscndg :你认真了... 05/05 11:13
339F:推 hss512 :古早的防守强度在我看来似乎比现在更硬... 05/05 11:14
340F:→ hss512 :当时裁判尺度比较松 不会动不动就被吹 05/05 11:15
341F:推 CaLawrence :但是那时候的联防意识还有防手摇摆人的经验都很少 05/05 11:29
342F:推 holybebe :科迷请有实力再来乱 别老是学ZSH 05/05 11:36
343F:推 permoon :.....联防意识跟守摇摆人经验很少?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 05/05 11:40
344F:推 permoon :原po给的对尼克那个连结,你看看尼克是怎麽联防的 05/05 11:41
345F:推 permoon :90年代各队都被MJ杀翻,没有一队不研究怎麽守MJ的 05/05 11:42
346F:推 permoon :Kobe非常幸运,大部分的时候并没有受到MJ那样的防守 05/05 11:43
347F:推 permoon :尼克可以倾全队之力三夹四夹MJ 05/05 11:44
348F:推 permoon :对上21世纪初的湖人第一考虑的防守重点是Shaq 05/05 11:44
349F:推 permoon :根本拨不出这麽多人手去协防Kobe 05/05 11:45
350F:→ bullsgogo :p板中肯 05/05 11:48
351F:推 goinwindmax :说以前防守松的 拜托看看活塞 那叫狠 不叫松 05/05 11:55
352F:推 permoon :拜托不要再拿Kobe跟MJ比,这是地球人跟外星人的差别 05/05 11:58
353F:推 qtzbbztq :JORDAN三分出少远低於KOBE 不同出手量实在没啥好比 05/05 12:01
354F:→ sklyn :有些人已经忏悔承认了,但是不断地还是有新血进来啊 05/05 12:01
355F:推 arrow1248 :有侠客在谁有时间管自干王包夹欧肥就累得半死了 05/05 12:10
356F:推 ARicewine :推 05/05 12:11
357F:→ pigmimicat :KB08怎麽不出来面对一下? 05/05 12:13
358F:推 saddog :板大这样伤害科迷会被联署下台的> < 05/05 12:13
359F:推 LIKAA :别这样 这要怎麽给台阶下 05/05 12:20
360F:推 Powar :怎麽只拿playoff的三分不比season?? 05/05 12:25
361F:推 MSEstar :XDD 欠骂 05/05 12:27
362F:推 Vedan1213 :XDDD 05/05 12:43
363F:推 alsh :科迷只会说别人金身 无视科仙没被坏孩子水准殴打过 05/05 12:45
364F:推 fanggi :XDDDD 05/05 12:48
365F:推 shiaumei :科迷要崩溃了 05/05 12:48
366F:推 gody78 :好文,道尽以往跟现今禁区防守最大差异。 05/05 12:55
367F:推 TheVerve :爽啦 电爆那些没有看过MJ神的家伙 05/05 12:59
368F:推 coinage :请不要这麽中肯,这样科迷会崩溃 05/05 13:16
369F:推 avictor :原po把某迷电得好惨 XD 05/05 13:54
370F:推 airphone :KB08状态:离线中.... 05/05 14:30
371F:嘘 LPisBig :可怜的科迷 加油好吗 05/05 15:50
372F:嘘 GANZ :没得81分,mj就是输kobe 科科 05/05 15:55
373F:推 Rizzi :帮爆 05/05 15:55
374F:推 TKWdEmoN :XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd 05/05 16:23
375F:→ ksk0516 :反串科迷GANZ又来引战罗,大家站稳~ 05/05 16:30
376F:推 ignisfatuus :好文!! 05/05 17:37
377F:→ freijaking :这拳大概有200磅 直击对立球迷 05/05 19:01
378F:推 Uncontinue :有没有翻译...我看不懂是要怎麽崩溃= =? 05/05 19:02
379F:推 MopeHank :活塞跟尼克对JORDAN的犯规在现今根本全都是恶意犯规 05/05 21:57