https://reurl.cc/6NqXvM 原作者:Tomer Azarly A number of players have been hot topics of discussion for fans of the Los Angeles Clippers all season long. Whether it was Reggie Jackson’s struggles as a point guard or Robert Covington’s lack of minutes, none have been bigger than the questions surrounding Marcus Morris Sr. and his role on this Clippers squad. Morris is now a 12-year veteran of the NBA and playing his fourth season with the Clippers. He’s averaging his fewest points per game average (11.3) since his fourth season in the league, his fewest rebounds per game average (4.0) since his third season in the league, and his worst shooting percentage (42.7 percent) since the 2017-18 season with the Boston Celtics. 很多快艇球员都在球迷讨论的风口浪尖上。无论是Reggie Jackson的挣扎或是Robert Covington的冷冻，没有一个比Marcus Morris Sr.以及他在快艇角色的质疑来得多。 Morris现在是一名NBA的12年老将且这是他在快艇的第4年。他目前有生涯第四季以来最低 的场均得分(11.3)、自生涯第三季以来最低的场均篮板(4.0)以及自从他17-18球技在波士 顿赛尔提克打球之後最的的投篮命中率(42.7)。 So what exactly is it that the Clippers like about Morris? He doesn’t seem to move as well as he did in prior years. His shooting and rebounding numbers certainly seem to have fallen off. And yet, he plays the fourth most minutes on the team at 28.2 per game behind only Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, and Ivica Zubac — fifth most if you include Russell Westbrook, who has played 13 games with the Clippers so far. “It’s fit,” Tyronn Lue told ClutchPoints. “I don’t care about [his] stats. It’s what fits us, what fits our team. I like the fit.” 所以快艇到底喜欢Morris哪一点?他移动力早就不如以往。投射与篮板数字都滑落的非常严 重。然而，他在队上有着第四多的上场时间--28.2分钟的时间仅输给Paul George、Kawhi Leonard及Ivica Zubac，如果加上刚加入13场的Russell Westbrook，那就是第五多了。 "适性"快艇总教练Tyronn Lue说"我不在乎他的数据。什麽最适合我们、什麽最适合我们球 队才比较重要。我喜欢这个适性。" From a fit standpoint, the starting quartet of Leonard, George, Zubac, and Morris has been pretty solid. Individually speaking, Marcus’ play and numbers — especially this season — stand out as subpar from the rest. But as a collective, this unit is arguably the most consistent starting lineup the Clippers have had available for years, and that means something. Even in lineups where Terance Mann started at point guard, it was still those four other guys he was with. This season, the starting lineup featuring those four has a record of 20-9. In four incredibly injury-prone seasons together, the Clippers have a 43-18 record when Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Ivica Zubac, and Marcus Morris start together. Over an 82-game season, that’s on pace for a 58-24 record. 从适性的角度看，先发4人组中的Leonard、George、Zubac与Morris打的非常棒。如果单单 把Morris的数据与表现挑出来--尤其是这季--比起其他人来说非常糟。但是如果视为一个 整体，这组合可能是快艇这几年来最稳定的组合，且这是有意义的。即使是Terance Mann (最常被要求取代Morris先发的人选且也在先发时快艇打出好成绩)他仍是与上述这四个人 一起上场。 这季，只要是这四个人先发的比赛战绩是20胜9败。在这4个被伤病所严重打击的赛季，快 艇这组Kawhi Leonard-Paul George-Ivica Zubac-Marcus Morris的组合有43胜18败的战绩 。如果放到一个完整赛季，这将会是个58-24的好成绩。 “I do like the group that we’ve had the only consistency we’ve had this year is — and the last couple years — has been Marcus, Kawhi, PG and Zu,” Tyronn Lue said specifically referencing the starting lineup. “And so that’ s the only consistency, we got right now and so we gotta continue to keep working with that.” Marcus Morris’ fit with the starting unit, or in the starting lineup in general, has just as much to do with the spacing he provides alongside Kawhi Leonard and Paul George as it does with what he wouldn’t necessarily be able to bring from the bench. Morris is not an, ‘energy,’ guy by any means, which is exactly what a second unit lineup needs. Terance Mann brings that energy. Nicolas Batum bring that energy. In a way, it feels almost safe to say that if Morris didn’ t start for the Clippers alongside George and Leonard, then he probably would have a hard time finding minutes. Tyronn Lue说:"我的确很喜欢这个组合这也是我们这季唯一稳定的东西--过去几年也是-- 那就是Marcus Kawhi PG与Zu。因为这是唯一的稳定，我们应该会持续使用它。" Marcus Morris与先发其他人、甚至是先发这件事的适性，最重要的就是他在场上帮助 Kawhi Leonard及Paul George拉出的空间且他打替补可能就提供不了这个价值。 Morris完全不是那种能量满满的球员，这也是第二阵容所需要的。Mann能带来这种能量。 Nicolas Batum也带来这种能量。在这个逻辑下，我觉得我可以说Morris如果不是与George 及Leonard一同先发，他恐怕不会在快艇获得任何时间。 Marcus is also very highly respected as a voice on the floor and in the locker room. He’s been that, ‘dog,’ capable of lighting a fire under his guys and getting under opposing teams’ skins. Obviously, Paul George’s injury changes things, but the Clippers’ starting lineup since the All-Star break featuring the core four with Russell Westbrook has had the best defensive rating (93.8) and the third highest net rating (+14.6) in the league. And that’s with Morris averaging just 6.6 points and 2.8 rebounds on 41.5 percent shooting from the field and 27.6 percent from three. Marcus同时也是无论场上场下都备受尊重的声音。他一直都是这样的斗犬，可以点燃自家 队伍并不让对手越雷池一步。 当然，PG的受伤改变了很多事求，但快艇在明星赛後有Russell Westbrook的阵容有着全联 盟最佳的防守效率(93.8)以及第三高的净效率(+14.6) 而这些都是在Morris仅场均得6.6分2.8篮板且只有41.5投篮命中率及27.6三分球命中率的 情况下。 “Fans only see stats, and people only see stats, and honestly, I’m okay with that,” Marcus Morris told ClutchPoints in a recent interview. “But if you look at the percentages and I know it’s high when I’m on the court, that we rebound. It’s just a veteran playing the game. “We got a rebounding point guard, both of our forwards — our small forward and two guard — they both rebound. We got one of the best rebounding bigs in the league. So like, how many rebounds can I have with all that on the court? I do the other stuff. I block out, help our team.” Morris说:"球迷只会看到数据，且大家也只会看到数据，而且老实说，我觉得这没什麽问 题。但如果你仔细看我的数据，你会发现而我也知道我们的篮板率会高很多。这就是老将 如何打比赛的。" "我们有个会抢篮板的控球、我们的两个前锋、我们的小前锋与两个後卫(PG本季打SG居多 )--全部都会抢篮板。我们有全联盟最会抢篮板的中锋之一。所以说，我有这些队友我要如 何抢很多篮板呢?我做其他脏活。我卡位，我要帮助我的队伍。" Even Robert Covington came to Morris’ defense after the recent string of rough shooting nights. “People gotta understand that players are gonna go through slumps and the way to get through it is by playing through it. Marcus has been in the league 12 years and people gotta understand that everything is not ideal for him—” 甚至Robert Covington都为Morris的防守及近期不准的投篮辩护。 "大家要理解球员都会有状况不好的时候而他们要克服这些只能带着低潮继续打。Marcus在 这个联盟已经有12年了而大家都要理解不是所有事情对他来说都是最理想的--" That’s when Norman Powell, whose locker sits right beside Robert Covington’ s, interjected to say he wasn’t having any of the ‘slump’ talk. “Ain’t no damn slump man,” Powell said. “He just missed a couple shots.” “That’s a slump my boy,” Covington responded. “The only way you get out of it is keep shooting.” “Nah, ain’t no slump man. It’s only a slump if you call it one. Ain’t no slump. He just missed a couple shots.” 这时Robert Covington休息室的邻居Norman Powell打断了对话并发表没有任何"低潮"的言 论。 "没有那些该死的低潮。他只是没投进而已。"Powell说。 Covington回应道"老哥那就是个低潮，你只能一直投来让自己摆脱。" "没，就是没有低潮这一回事。低潮只有你说这是低潮才是低潮。没有低潮这东西。他只是 没投进而已。" Mamba Mentality? Since he mentioned them, are the percentages actually better with Marcus Morris on the floor than off? Why don’t we take a look at some of them, all of which is according to Cleaning The Glass. 因为我们提及了，Marcus Morris在场上的数字真的有比较好吗?我们就来看看。这些数字 都是根据Cleaning The Glass得来的。 SCORING With Marcus Morris on the court, the Clippers shoot 39 percent from three. With Morris off the court, that number drops to 36.8 percent. Morris ON – 39% Clippers shooting from three Morris OFF – 36.8% Clippers shooting from three 当Morris在场上时，快艇三分命中率为39%。他不在时，这个数字掉到36.8%。 With Morris on, the Clippers shoot 65.3 percent at the rim. With Morris off, the dips to 64.1 percent. Morris ON – 65.3% Clippers shooting at the rim Morris OFF – 64.1% Clippers shooting at the rim 当Morris在场上时，快艇篮下命中率为65.3%。他不在时，这个数字掉到64.1%。 Lineups with Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Marcus Morris average 120 points per 100 possessions played. With Leonard and George on, but Marcus off, that number jumps slightly to 120.9. Kawhi, PG, Morris ON – 120.0 points per 100 possessions Kawhi, PG ON, Morris OFF – 120.9 points per 100 possessions Kawhi、PG、Morris同时在场时快艇每100回合可以得120分，Morris下场时这个数字些许提 升至120.9 Lineups with Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, but no Marcus Morris shoot 40.5 percent from three. With the trio together on the floor, they shoot the exact same 40.5 percent from three. Kawhi, PG, Morris ON – 40.5% 3-point shooting Kawhi, PG ON, Morris OFF – 40.5% 3-point shooting 当Kawhi、PG与Morris同时上场时三分球命中率为40.5%，Morris不在时也是40.5% Here are the Clippers’ points per 100 possessions, shooting at the rim, and 3-point shooting with Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Ivica Zubac on the floor: Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 118.4 points per 100 possessions Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 128.9 points per 100 possessions Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 65.0% shooting at the rim Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 64.5% shooting at the rim Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 41.7% 3-point shooting Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 44.3% 3-point shooting 而这些是快艇每100回合的得分、篮下命中率与三分球命中率再加入Ivica Zubac的情况。 Morris在场时每100回合得118.4分，不在场时得128.9分 Morris在场时快艇篮下命中率为65%，不在场时为64.5% Morris在场时快艇三分球命中率为41.7%，不在场时为44.3% 编者按:从这里可以看出来虽然Morris确实能使快艇的空间更加开阔(篮下命中率增加)， 但他低迷的投篮也的确在伤害球队。 REBOUNDING(Morris最强调的东西) When Marcus Morris is on the floor, Clippers’ opponents have a 22.8 percent offensive rebound percentage — meaning the percentage of the opponents misses that resulted in an offensive rebound. When Morris is off the floor, opponents’ offensive rebound percentage jumps up to 28.6 percent. Morris ON – 22.8% Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage Morris OFF – 28.6% Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage 当Morris在场上时，对手进攻篮板率为22.8%。他不在场时对手进攻篮板率提升至28.6%。 With Kawhi Leonard and Paul George on, but Marcus Morris off the court, opponents have a 27.1 percent offensive rebound percentage. With the trio of Leonard, George, and Morris on, the number drops to 22.2 percent, which ranks in the 97th percentile. Kawhi, PG, Morris ON – 27.1% Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage Kawhi, PG ON, Morris OFF – 22.2 Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage 当Kawhi、PG、Morris同时在场时对手进攻篮板率为22.2%赢过97%的组合。 但当他下场时升到27.1%(这段原文怪怪的 原作者列出的数据跟内文冲突 我采用内文) Here’s what those numbers look like with Ivica Zubac joining Leonard and George: Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 20.8% Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 26.3 Opponent’s offensive rebounding percentage 在这组合中加入Zubac，Morris上场时对手的进攻篮板率为20.8%。 但他下场时对手的进攻篮板率将会上升至26.3%。 编者按:所以Morris对於快艇的篮板保护是有非常显着的上升的，他对於自己正在努力做好 的事情确实有带给快艇队相当正面的效益。 OPPONENT SHOOTING Here are the opponents’ points per 100 possessions, shooting at the rim, and 3-point shooting with Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Ivica Zubac on the floor: Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 110.1 points per 100 possessions Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 115.7 points per 100 possessions Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 65.0% opponent shooting at the rim Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 64.1% opponent shooting at the rim Kawhi, PG, Zubac, Morris ON – 35.9% opponent 3-point shooting Kawhi, PG, Zubac ON, Morris OFF – 41.9% opponent 3-point shooting 这里是Morris在不在场时这个四人组合对手的投篮数据。 他在场时，对手每100回合只能得到110.1分，他下场时将会升至115.7。 他在场时，对手篮下命中率为65%，他下场时会降到64.1% 他在场时，对手三分球命中率为35.9%，不在场时会升到41.9% 编按:他带给球队的防守效益整体是正面的，但是他在的时候对手会更好切。 Clearly there’s a mix of positives and negatives in there for the Clippers. And your opinions will likely heavily depend on the lens you’re viewing the game from. Are you looking at Marcus Morris’ individual stat-line? How about looking at how the team performs when he’s out there? Maybe you’re relying on the eye test to tell you what you believe you need to know. What I’ve come to learn is that people — be it fans, media members, whoever — appear to be subjective regarding Morris, this year more than possibly any year I’ve ever covered the Clippers. There are a lot of front-facing and easy-to-read numbers that support Morris playing just like there are numbers that don’t. Look deep enough into the advanced stats, and you’ll find numbers to support your case either way. What you can’t deny is that the Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Marcus Morris, and Ivica Zubac quartet has been both the team’s most used starting lineup and one of the best. One of the more puzzling things about the Clippers’ season, however, is their decision to not use Robert Covington. 我们可以清楚地看到，他对於快艇的效益是正面与负面的效益混和在一起的。而你对於他 的评价非常有可能是在於你是用什麽角度看他的比赛。你是看Morris的个人数据?还是你是 在看他在场时整队的表现?也许你依赖於你的眼睛来支持你你所相信的事实。 我学到的是人们--无论是球迷、媒体随便--对於Morris的意见都是主观的，而今年可能比 过去几年我报导快艇都还要多。在支持与反对Morris的人们都有许多易识读的数据与对立 。如果你看了进阶数据，你会发现数据会支持双方的论点。 但你无法否认的是，Kawhi Leonard、Paul George、Marcus Morris与Ivica Zubac四人组 是快艇最常使用也是最好的四人组之一。另一个快艇本季令人迷惑的是，他们冷冻Robert Covington的决定。 According to Cleaning The Glass, lineups featuring Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and Robert Covington have played 35 possessions — yes, POSSESSIONS — together this season. Robert Covington has consistently been out of the Clippers main rotation, but has had key minutes sprinkled throughout the year. “Offensively and defensively, we’re really good when we get a chance to get PG, Kawhi, Marcus, Nico, and either a small or Zu, together, which has been tough for us to kind of get to as of late,” Tyronn Lue explained. “And RoCo has been good for us as far as a small-ball five, causes deflections, be able to block shots, spacing the floor as well. And so, he hasn’t really got a great opportunity because our fours have been pretty much healthy this year. “It’s just too many guys. I mean we can’t play 11 or 12 guys and I talked about it all year. We have that many guys that deserve to play every night and it’s just hard to play that many guys. The good thing with us, our coaching staff, and with RoCo, we’ve done a great job communicating with him and he’s been great. And when he’s called upon, he’s ready to go. You just hate situations like this because he does deserve to play at times and, so does Bones [Hyland] and so does Amir [Coffey] — he’s been great for us last year. It’s just tough, but you can’t play that many guys.” 根据Cleaning the Glass，本季同时有Kawhi Leonard、Pau George与Robert Covington的 组合仅仅只有35个回合--对，你没听错，回合。Robert Covington更是常态性的消失於快 艇主要轮替中，但他这整年仍有关键的分钟数。 Tyronn Lue解释道:"进攻与防守上，我们在PG、Kawhi、Marcus、Nico与一名小个子或是 Zu在场时我们打得很好才让我们走到这里。Roco作为小球五号也打得很好，他能破坏球、 他能盖火锅、他也能拉开场上的空间。但他至今仍未取得足够的机会因为我们这四个人今 年都还蛮健康的。" "我们有太多人了。我的意思是，我不能整年打11或12人轮替。我们有很多人都应该可以每 天上场但我们就是没办法上那麽多。这对我们与教练团来说是好事，且与Roco，我们有跟 他好好的沟通且他也都表现得很好。当轮到他上场时，他也都准备好了。你不会喜欢这种 状况因为他的确应该得到更多时间，就连Bones(Hyland)(3/3一路冰到上一场与雷霆的比赛 )与Amir(Coffey)(基本只上了垃圾时间)，他去年就跟我们打得很好了。这很艰难，但你就 是没办法上那麽多人。" This role — the one that’s shows him as a ‘Did Not Play, Coach’s Decision ’ for 27 games — is far from the role Robert Covington signed up for, he told ClutchPoints in a recent conversation. Covington re-signed with the Clippers before free agency even began because of the opportunity to contribute heavily, especially on the defensive end, on a team with serious championship aspirations. As we near the end of March, the opportunity hasn’ t been there and the championship aspirations hinge on how quickly Paul George can return from his sprained right knee. Despite the underwhelming role, Covington says he’s genuinely happy and okay with what he has right now. And honestly, it’s easy to believe him. Covington spoke very candidly about being there for his teammates and coaches, no matter what he’s asked to do. If you’ve watched the games, the Tennessee State alum is always on his feet cheering for his guys, and he’s the same way in the locker room. Roco在之前与ClutchPoint的对话曾透露他现在这角色--这个DNP-Coach Decision高达27场 的角色--远远不及Covington签约当下被告知的角色。Roco在本季开始前甚至自由市场尚未 开市前就已经因防守端上贡献的机会与快艇夺冠可能性重签一份合约。在三月底时，这个 机会仍未到来且夺冠机会将大幅度取决於Paul George膝盖扭伤恢复的状况。 尽管在这个无聊的角色，Covington说他对於现在的情况仍是开心且对於他得到的觉得ok。 而说实在的，他说的非常有说服力。Covington非常坦白地表示他在这是为了队友与教练， 无论他被要求做的是什麽。如果你有看比赛，这名田纳西州大的校友永远都站着为他的队 友欢呼，而他在休息室也是如此。 That’s what former NBA veterans Elton Brand, Jason Richardson, Carl Landry, and Josh Powell taught him about the league. Whether you’re playing or not, it’s bigger than any individual. “Those guys really taught me how to approach each day. That’s why I’m okay with it now. I’m ready when they need me.” Watching from my usual about seat about six rows behind the sideline nearest the home bench, it’s hard to imagine why the team hasn’t at least tried more of Robert Covington with Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Many fans have made the argument that Marcus Morris’ numbers are always going to be somewhat inflated because of who he plays alongside of, and that wouldn’t be an inaccurate statement. There aren’t nearly enough samples of Covington alongside George and Leonard to even worth mentioning. 这也是前NBA老将Elton Brand、Jason Richardson、Carl Landry与Josh Powell教导他的 事情。无论你有没有上场，你仍比任何人都强。 "这些人教了我很多面对每一天的方法。这也是为啥我现在没问题的李有。我在他们需要我 的时候我会随时准备好。" 从我每天大概第六排的座位来看(原作者是快艇随队)，我很难想像为啥球队甚至连让 Covington与Kawhi Leonard及Paul George同时上场多一些。很多球迷都有做出要把Marcus Morris的数据好只是因为他身边的人才好的言论，而这其实不会是个非常偏离事实的言论 。我们根本没有足够的样本数来看Covington与George及Leonard一起上场的效果。 It sure would’ve been nice if that trio could’ve played more time, but it doesn’t look like we’re getting that anytime soon. Tyronn Lue and the Clippers staff does regularly keep Covington involved in their game plans, and he does his part by playing in the, ‘Stay Ready,’ games in case his named is called. “Stay ready because we’re going to need you,” Robert Covington said, reiterating what he’s been told by Lue. “Just stick with it.” 当然如果能看到这三人组合一起上场将会很好，但我们短时间内应该是不会看到了。 Tyronn Lue与快艇工作人员会定期让Covington参与他们的比赛计画，而他也在"让你准备 好"的队内比赛中出赛以防他名字被叫到他毫无准备。 Robert Covington说:"Lue一直告诉我我要一直准备好因为我们会需要你。而我会持续准备 好上场。" Covington also wants everyone to know he has Marcus Morris’ back 100 percent, regardless of what his shooting or rebounding numbers might say. “He still does a lot for us on the offensive side, defensive side, he’s a big threat and he makes big shots, so I think people need to understand that no matter what just because he’s not playing to people’s standards, that doesn’t mean he’s not doing stuff effective for us. That’s what people gotta understand. “I used to get the same type of issues and talked about when I was in Philly. People would sit up there and say, ‘oh, you wasn’t making shots,’ or I wasn’t doing this or doing that, but you look on the other side, I’m affecting the game in so many different ways. That’s what it’s all about. You don’t have to always be making shots or this or that. It’s about how you make an impact on it.” Covington也希望让大家知道他100%挺Marcus Morris，即使他现在投射与篮板的数字并没 有那麽好看。 "他仍为我们在攻防两端做了很多，他在投进关键球仍是一个巨大的威胁，所以我想大家得 了解无伦他只是没符合大家的标准，这不代表他没有对我们做出有效的贡献。这是大家得 理解的。" "我也在费城时也遭遇过一样的事情。大家就在那说'噢，你都投不进'或我没有做这做那， 但当你看到另一面时，我仍然对比赛不同面向造成很多影响。这就是我的意思。你不是一 定要投进或是做这做那。你要对比赛中有影响力。" What does Robert Covington have to say for those whose attention is solely on Morris’ stats? “You can’t focus on that,” Covington said. “You can’t. You do see the team contribution more than just any individual. It’s ways that we can figure out how to make him more and more of a threat, more and more of a threat. That’s what’s been the challenge with us as a unit, is how do we keep the same consistency with everything. And like I said, people are gonna go through slumps, people are gonna go through certain things, but he’s a vet, he’s 12 years in. Play through it, and that’s what he’s been doing. “You know, I’ve talked to Marcus a lot. We’ve had a lot of conversations. He’s just gotta keep going. And that’s one thing about it. He’s a professional, and he knows how to keep going, no matter what goes on, he knows how to keep going and that’s what he’s gonna do because we’re gonna need him.” With eight games remaining and Paul George out for all of them, it’s going to all hands on deck for the LA Clippers. Roco对於那些集中在Morris数据的人有什麽话要说呢? Roco:"你不能专注在那些。你不能。你必须看到他对球队的影响而非他个人。这也是我们 让他可以想到更多可以让他自己产生更多的威胁与甚至威胁以上的方法。这是我们每个人 都一直都在挑战的东西，就是要维持所有东西的稳定性。如同我说的，大家都会有些低潮 ，大家都会经历一些事求，但他是个老将，已经打12年了。对抗低潮，而这也是他一直在 做的事情。" "你知道的，我跟Marcus聊过很多。我们有很多的对话。他就会持续努力。这也是唯一一件 他要做的事情。他是个专家，他知道要怎麽持续努力，无论他发生了啥他都知道他该做些 什麽，而这也是我们需要他的原因。 随着赛季只剩下8场且Paul George不会打任何一场，洛杉矶快艇需要全员出击。 无论是艇迷或是近期因为一些原因开始关注快艇队的球迷，都会很好奇MM可以持续上场的 原因(包含我)，但数据上他对於快艇的伤害可能没有大家想像中的大，甚至有许多该把他 放在场上的理由。 另外，对於Roco只能说感谢，即使角色与他签约当下有不小的落差，他仍表现得相当专 业且正面。 --

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