作者leddy (耿秋)
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标题[新闻] Bonderman strikes out again as Tigers lose
时间Mon Aug 27 00:29:19 2007
Yankees 7, Tigers 2
Bonderman strikes out again as Tigers lose
Tom Gage / The Detroit News
www.detnews.com
两则底特律新闻
重点: Bonderman 谜样的中邪了已经连八不胜
1. Jeremy Bonderman过去一个月以来都像鬼打墙, 今天又碰上了。这场比赛第一局他又掉
分, 然後又输了。让大家再度想不明白他到底怎麽了。加上这次出赛, 这次是他从
2003年新人年初登板以来首次没三振半个人。
2. 老虎周六以7比2输给洋基,让双方以1比1打成平手。这场比赛迟了3分钟, 在7点08分
才投出第一球, 但谁会挑剔呢? 三分钟比起周五晚上的比赛延迟了241分钟开始, 实
在太小儿科了。另一个差别是老虎早上3点30分, 用Carlos Guillen的三分炮以9比
6赢得了比赛。还有这场比赛比赛比周五那一场提早至少一个小时开始。而这场跟前
一场最大的差别是, 在六局前王建民投得好拿到了15胜6败, Bonderman则投得不好
让记录变成10胜7败。
3. 老虎的先发投手Bonderman解决了他面对的前两位打者, 但勉强地第一局还是掉了两分,
他注册商标的一局症。然而牛奶弟六局满垒的三垒打, 让双方的差距拉开了。
4. 当上周老虎在洋基球场上小王时, 即使老虎打得比这场还好但还是输了, 老虎总教练
Leyland称呼那天的小王是 "天杀的好投手刚好投不出天杀的好身手"。
5. 然而这一次他投得好了很多, 总教练Leyland说: "小王找回了他强力的伸卡-快速球。
他很杀(sharp), 现在他投手丘上, 还拥有更多变化球的(好)球质。"
6. Bonderman的低潮则不只是个小问题, 而完完全全就像个谜。在7月13他打败水手队後,
他的纪录是10胜1败, 3.50的自责分率。但是在最近七次先发里, 他败了六场, 在41局
的投球里掉了40分的自责分, 自责分率是8.78。Leyland说: "那令人感到非常困惑,
假如我知道他问题的一些解答, 我会跟任何人分享, 最重要的是让他知道。我们已经
设法去找出问题所在, 但我没法找到。" 连Bonderman自己也束手无策。他说: "问题
在我, 我必须投好一点, 最大的问题是我投出的球没有很大的尾劲。我当然感到相当
挫折, 这是我经历最大的挫折之一。" (虽然看过他的棒球路走得挺辛苦, 很希望他
度过这难关, 但为了洋基, 他还是回年再回神吧! Moose目前也有小难关)
7. 洋基则很高兴不会在同一天内连输两场。老托在赛前与球员开了一个简短的会议,
他说: "每个球员都知道经过昨晚输球後, 这场比赛对我们有多重要。如果我们走出
去看起来了无生气(太累了想睡觉), 我会觉得相当自责。我要确定我们有求胜的意
志。"
8. 没什麽别的, 这场比赛就像老虎总教练在这周初期所提到重点的缩影。他说: "一切
事情的关键就是先发(投手)的投球, 就这麽简单。一些人搞不懂什麽是实话实说什麽
叫做批评,我不是在批评任何人。我爱我的投手, 我爱我的球员。但事情的真相就是先
发(投手)的投球已经投得不好。假如先发(投手)的投球没有变好的话, 我们将无法赢球
。我说的是事实经得起考验, 我不是在批评, 而是事实。我从来不批评我的球员, 但我
也不想成为一个找藉口的人。先发(投手)的投球必须做得更好, 你需要能面对球赛竞
争的家伙。假如这些家伙无法办到, 可能要等到我人都离开了很久以後的某些时候,
他们才会明白我在说些什麽。"
"这是一场大男孩间的比赛, 我们在争取最後的冠军, 我们有着天杀的好机会。我感到
兴奋, 但我将不会坐在这里假惺惺地告诉媒体, 说一些他明知道你在说谎的场面话。
而且你知道吗? 假如其他的球队有着不好先发(投手)的投球, 他们同样也不会有什麽
好成绩的!"
以下是www.freep.com
9. 问Leyland为什麽这场Bonderman缺乏三振, 李兰说: "洋基有很多的左打者, 让他投来
有点困难。"(Bonderman 面对左打ERA=5.48, 右打=4.08, 同样有惧左症)。洋基打线
中有七名左打者, 唯二的右打是Jeter和A-Rod。而且在Damon在这场比赛第三球挥空之
後, 这七名左打者这晚上都没有再挥棒落空过。(有没有整场比赛都没有挥空的八卦??
)这些左打者也造成很多决定性打击, 松井在李兰称呼Bonderman"谜样的一局症"里打
了两分的二垒打, Damon三局打了阳春炮, Cabrera在六局满垒打了清垒的三垒打,
Damon再补上一支一分的三垒打。
10. 这是Bonderman连八不胜的先发, 对近来的老虎可说是一点贡献都没有, 虽然在周六
的前两度先发都是优质先发。但这是他近六度先发第四次至少丢了六分的先发。同
时这次没有半次三振, 但是Bonderman却是去年球季对美联右打者投出最多三振的
投手。李兰对Bonderman这场没有三振进一步解释: "当你遇到左打者, 在很多情况,
很重要的是你必须有一些改变球速的投球。在很多情况, Bondo每球都投得很猛, 在
一些时候, 变速球丢得有点太用力。" (有点小王先前状况的感觉)
"有很多投手可以在2坏1好球速数落後时投变速球抢回好球, 但Bonderman的变速球时
有时候灵有时候不灵, 投得不够稳定, 因此你可以看到打者打得他很惨。"
DETROIT -- Jeremy Bonderman bumped into the same wall he's not gotten past
for a month.
He gave up runs in the first inning again. He lost again. He left people
wondering what's wrong again.
Plus this time, for the first time since he was a rookie in 2003, Bonderman
didn't strike anyone out.
The Tigers evened their Saturday record at 1-1 with a 7-2 loss to the Yankees
in a game that actually began on time. Three minutes off, with a 7:08 p.m.
first pitch, but who's quibbling?
Three minutes compared to the 241 by which Friday night's game was delayed --
the other difference being that the Tigers won that game 9-6 on Carlos
Guillen's three-run home run at 3:30 a.m.
This one was over more than an hour before Friday's game began. Actually this
one was over by the sixth inning for the simple fact that Chien-Ming Wang
(15-6) pitched well and Bonderman, now 10-7, didn't.
The Tigers starter retired the first two batters he faced, but still managed
to give up two first-inning runs, his trademark trouble. Melky Cabrera's
bases-loaded triple in the sixth, however, put it away.
In New York last week when the Tigers faced Wang, and lost to him despite
hitting better than they did in this game, manager Jim Leyland called him "a
heck of a pitcher who didn't have a heck of a day."
This time, though, he was much better.
"He went back to that power sinker-fastball," Leyland said. "He was sharp.
Over there, he went with more off-speed stuff."
This slump of Bonderman's, though, is more than a problem -- it's a
full-blown mystery.
On July 13, after beating Seattle, Bonderman was 10-1 with a 3.50 ERA. In his
last seven starts, six of which he's lost, Bonderman has allowed 40 earned
runs in 41 innings for an 8.78 ERA.
"It's very puzzling," Leyland said. "If I had some answers, I'd share them
with everybody, most importantly with him. We've been trying to figure it
out, but we can't."
Neither can he.
"It's on me," Bonderman said. "I have to pitch better. The biggest thing is
that I'm pitching up without a lot of movement. It's definitely frustrating
-- one of the most frustrating things I've gone through."
The Yankees, meanwhile, were happy not to lose twice in the same day.
"Everybody understood how important this game was after last night's loss,"
said manager Joe Torre, who held a brief team meeting before the game. "If
we'd gone out looking lethargic, I'd have kicked myself. I wanted to make
sure we went after it."
If nothing else, this game was a microcosm of the point Leyland made earlier
this week.
"The key to the whole thing is starting pitching," he said. "It's that simple.
"People get confused between what's realistic and criticism. I'm not
criticizing anybody. I love my pitchers. I love my players, But the fact of
the matter is that the starting pitching has not been good
"If it doesn't get better, we're not going to win. You can take that to the
bank. That's not criticism, that's fact. I'd never criticize my players, but
I'm also not going to be an excuse-maker.
"The starting pitching has to do better. You need guys to step up. If these
guys can't handle that, then maybe long after I'm gone, at some point they'll
understand what I'm talking about.
"This is the big boys game," Leyland said. "We're in a pennant race, we have
a heck of a chance. I'm excited, but I'm not going to sit here and lose
credibility by telling the media something when they know you're lying
through your teeth.
"We're in good shape, but we have to go do it. If we get starting pitching
like we've had for a period of time, it ain't going to work.
"And you know what? If the other teams get bad starting pitching, it ain't
going to work for them, either."
NEW YORK 7, DETROIT 2
No K's not OK: Bonderman strikes out none in loss to Yankees
August 26, 2007
BY JOHN LOWE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER
www.freep.com
In his start against the Yankees on Saturday night, Tigers right-hander
Jeremy Bonderman didn't strike out anyone. It was the first time since his
rookie season that he didn't get a strikeout in a start.
Asked about his pitcher's lack of whiffs, manager Jim Leyland said, "They've
got a lot of left-handed hitters, which makes it a little more difficult."
New York had seven left-handed hitters in the lineup; the only right-handed
ones were Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. And after Johnny Damon swung and
missed at Bonderman's third pitch of the game, none of those seven
left-handed hitters swung and missed at a Bonderman pitch the rest of the
night.
Those left-handed hitters made plenty of decisive contact.
Hideki Matsui lined a two-run double to continue what Leyland calls
Bonderman's "very puzzling" first-inning trouble. Damon hit a homer to
right-center in the third. Then, with the Tigers within a run, Melky Cabrera
drilled a bases-loaded triple in the sixth, and then Damon tripled home
Cabrera.
That wrapped up the scoring in the Yankees' 7-2 win. The game drew the
second-largest paid crowd in Comerica Park history: 44,250, which is 47 fewer
than the Opening Day throng this season. The Tigers fell 2 1/2 games behind
first-place Cleveland in the AL Central.
This was Bonderman's eighth straight winless start. It's an illusion that
he's contributed nothing to the Tigers lately. In each of his two starts
before Saturday, he had made a quality start (six innings or more, three
earned runs or fewer).
But this was the fourth time in his last six starts he gave up at least six
earned runs. And then there was the lack of strikeouts, from the man who had
the most strikeouts of any American League right-hander last season.
"When you've got left-handed hitters, in most cases it's pretty important
that you've got something that changes speeds," Leyland said, continuing to
discuss why Bonderman didn't fan anyone Saturday. "In most cases, Bondo
throws everything hard, and at some points, the change-up is a little bit too
hard.
"It's not a lot of times the pitch, it's the speed of the pitch that gets the
hitters.
"A lot of pitchers are capable of throwing a change-up when they're behind in
the count 2-1. Bondo shows that from time to time, but obviously not
consistently enough. You can see the hitters charge him."
Bonderman said: "I've got to find a way to pitch well for the rest of the
year and give us a chance."
For the second time in a week, Bonderman lost to right-hander Chien-Ming
Wang. When it happened last Sunday, Leyland said the Tigers let Wang escape
on a day when he was struggling.
The only similarity between Wang last Sunday and on this night was that he
wild-pitched home a run in the fifth inning. Wang went eight innings in this
one and allowed only five hits.
The Tigers were behind all the way after Bonderman's first-inning ERA rose to
12.24. But he was speaking of all his innings over the last several weeks
when he said, "This is definitely the most frustrating thing I've gone
through."
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※ 编辑: leddy 来自: 220.132.198.21 (08/27 00:29)
1F:推 chanword:因为东方神秘力量:~~~~阿飘~~~~~ 08/27 00:29
2F:→ alubazace:有没有整场比赛都没有挥空的八卦?? 08/27 00:30
3F:推 coolhunt:运气额度用完 现在一次还清 08/27 00:30
4F:推 waqw:谢谢翻译~ 08/27 00:33
5F:推 eelce:推你的翻译 08/27 00:35
6F:推 kenro:推翻译! 李蓝也是个好教练 ... 08/27 00:34
7F:推 sigma729:感谢翻译! 08/27 00:36
8F:推 siliver:老虎真有耐心,要是他在洋基早被换掉了吧=.=a 08/27 00:36
9F:推 ykd:上半季时一度9连胜 是该还点债的时候了XD 08/27 00:37
10F:推 eric2003002:Bonderman是很令人期待的 希望他找回信心 08/27 00:40
11F:推 Pettitte70:10-1...有一定的实力...不过连8不胜真是大瓶颈阿... 08/27 00:43
12F:推 Dragula:翻的很辛苦吧 推 08/27 00:43
13F:→ eric2003002:他第一年19败...也都撑过去了...加油 08/27 00:43
14F:→ Pettitte70:第一年19败..XD..教练对他很期待喔... 08/27 00:44
15F:推 SuWeiLin:输给我们的王牌, 别太难过啦...出来跑,迟早要还的~ 08/27 00:45
16F:推 abc1204:楼上,去查一查会发现老虎三年前创下两位投手最多败纪录 08/27 00:45
17F:→ abc1204:我记得是有两个人都拿20败以上 08/27 00:46
18F:推 Paparra:推翻译 08/27 00:46
19F:→ abc1204:老虎之前是与宇宙大烂队,直到irod来才改观 08/27 00:46
20F:推 maxspeed150:只有一个人20败以上.....Bonderman只有19而已 08/27 00:49
21F:→ maxspeed150:因为最後一个月乾脆不让他先发了 08/27 00:50
22F:推 eric2003002:宇宙大烂队...也不用这样说吧...="= 虽说战绩不好啦.. 08/27 00:50
23F:推 tulas:03年老虎先发败投数 21 17 19 8 12 08/27 00:50
24F:推 eric2003002:也太惨了吧... 08/27 00:53
25F:推 Pettitte70:03年老虎先发败投数..囧..这若通通变成胜投..会超强吧 08/27 00:53
26F:推 ROCAF:21败也太惨了 = = 08/27 00:55
27F:→ eric2003002:无法想像洋基如果五大先发是这样的...NYY迷会怎样XD 08/27 00:55
28F:→ Pettitte70:纽约市会暴动吧...XD 08/27 00:55
29F:推 chanword:会暴动吧,或者投向大都会 08/27 00:55
30F:→ ROCAF:大概会一人一信叫现金人和总教练自杀谢罪@@ 08/27 00:55
31F:推 tulas:Bonderman强在这样rush他(当年20岁)都还没烂掉 08/27 00:56
32F:→ tulas:所以他一定会回稳的 XDDD 08/27 00:58
33F:推 kenro:拿老虎前几年的成绩给洋基 大概球团会先被炸掉吧 08/27 00:59
34F:推 JessicaA1ba:帮得男和少年阿瓦之於DET,就好像Joba和Hughes之於NYY 08/27 00:59
35F:→ JessicaA1ba:一样 08/27 01:01
36F:推 JessicaA1ba:老虎几年前还是万年烂队,所以有不同於洋基的练法 08/27 01:03
37F:推 eric2003002:触谷也该反弹了 08/27 01:04
38F:推 siliver:我可不希望Joba和Hughes先暴再升啊 orz... 08/27 01:05
39F:→ JessicaA1ba:这场觉得Bon投得不差 球还是蛮会跑的 08/27 01:04
40F:推 qk123:Bonderman+JV+Andrew Miller,这三只都年轻有劲 08/27 01:05
41F:推 CCfss:应该是一人一只枪让现金人和总教练倒在血泊中了吧 @@" 08/27 01:08
42F:推 sunnygirl30:推翻译! 李蓝也是个好教练 ... 08/27 01:08
43F:推 decorum:Leyland真是快人快语,一点都不bull shit 08/27 01:15
44F:推 SuWeiLin:21+17+19+8+12=77败... 投手教练会哭吧 XD 08/27 01:34
45F:推 kayyang:推~ 08/27 01:38
46F:推 LockHate:感谢翻译! 08/27 02:41
47F:推 truth0:有看有推! 08/27 02:46
48F:推 uwmtsa:真好,换成亚洲球员,恐怕不用10败就被下放,哪来20败的机会 08/27 03:17
49F:→ caseylin:感谢翻译 08/27 12:29
50F:推 cuteship:感谢 08/27 12:32
51F:推 Annrod:感谢翻译 08/27 13:51