作者yij (yij)
看板Pirates
标题Nate the Great is Gone
时间Thu Jun 4 09:18:06 2009
We got Charlie Morton, Gorkys Hernandez, and Jeff Locke in return from the
Braves for Nate Mclouth.
BTW, Andrew McCutchen is on the way to Pittsburgh. He'll be our starting CF.
Quick thoughts:
Looking at the scouting reports and stats of the three prospects, I think
Neal Hunttington is keeping his words on building a strong organization.
It's certainly not any sort of salary dump. Only an organization with
good farm system can succeed, and we are really on the way to achieving it.
Based on the info reported or rumored, Morton could be in the rotation mix
soon, or at least he is considered as immediate help to big league team.
His number last year with the Braves was not good, but he was good in AAA.
Locke is the key of the trade, he is a hightly regarded southpaw. John Sickel
grades him as a B- prosptect and most of the scouting analysis put him in
top 10 Braves prospect. He got good commend and fast ball, with good frame
to develop. He's only 21.
Hernandez has great defensive game. His bat is good, but the power has just not
shown, and we can only cross our fingers on his power. He is 21 years old.
Sickels also graded him as a B- prospect.
Andrew McCutchen era is finally here. He might still need a little bit of time
adjusting the show, but we should be able to count on him to be an above
average CF with solid bats.
Farewell Nate the great Mclouth. We'll certainly miss you.
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※ 编辑: yij 来自: 97.65.36.97 (06/04 09:18)
1F:→ Dorasaga:2012年看得到500胜率吗?@@ 220.136.75.203 06/04 10:58
2F:→ troy30408:got...中外野手...唉 140.129.29.158 06/04 12:24
3F:→ troy30408:god=.="才对orz 140.129.29.158 06/04 12:54
4F:推 legaldrug:是要重建到什麽时候...= = 140.136.208.19 06/04 13:17
from the Bucs Dogout:
there will always be roster turnover. Good teams and bad ones watch stars leave
all the time. That's just the nature of the game.
for a team in the Pirates' situation, getting angry about trading veterans for
prospects is like getting angry at doctors for giving you shots because every
time they've ever given you a shot, you were sick. These sorts of trades are
medicine, not the disease.
※ 编辑: yij 来自: 97.65.36.97 (06/04 15:10)
5F:推 glavor:呜呜..我最爱的Nate McLouth..被交易出去了 67.186.0.228 06/04 22:59
6F:→ glavor:等会要去看Mets @ Bucs的球赛..看不到他了 67.186.0.228 06/04 23:00
7F:→ glavor:那应该拿完纪念T-shirt就可以走了 67.186.0.228 06/04 23:01
8F:→ yij:说不定你以後也会爱上McCutchen :) 97.65.48.66 06/04 23:48
9F:推 QazQKMJ:唉@@".... 61.227.196.64 06/05 00:14
10F:→ QazQKMJ:打电动 Nate Mclouth 很威ㄝ.... 61.227.196.64 06/05 00:14
11F:推 brella:无言了 163.26.51.49 06/05 12:29
12F:→ Dorasaga:Dugout的逻辑有问题, 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:37
13F:→ Dorasaga:他引的Doctor例是因果关系, correlation, 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:37
14F:→ Dorasaga:但是Nate交易是win now or win 2012的 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:37
15F:→ Dorasaga:问题 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:37
16F:→ Dorasaga:Nate有4年延约, Bucs基本上已经握了这 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:38
17F:→ Dorasaga:好打好牌, 可以开始retool建立强对, 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:38
18F:→ Dorasaga:但是致福组放弃了 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:38
19F:→ Dorasaga:我看到是"excuse for cheapness," 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:39
20F:→ Dorasaga:而不是"reason for wins" 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:39
21F:→ Dorasaga:Bucs不需要win now, 但是又要拖, 这样 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:39
22F:→ Dorasaga:只会球迷流失更快, 对未来帮助不大 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:39
23F:→ Dorasaga:有时候握助明星球员给球迷信心也是 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:40
24F:→ Dorasaga:管理的责任, 显然Bucsd5不这麽认为 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:40
25F:→ Dorasaga: 的 220.136.108.7 06/05 20:40
我能了解你的说法
不过现在海盗的系统终於开始像样,
我们现在有McCutchen本来就是等着要上来接CF,
Minor有 Gorky Hernandez for CF or LF (海盗队需要速度快范围大的LF)
Tataba
这是许久没有见到的 position depth.
还记得Hunttington 接海盗队时,我们的农场长怎样吗?
McCutchen 是 No. 1
Neil Walker 是我们农场的 No.2
然後....就没有了
但是在那之前我们就没有用明星选手去换人吗?
就光是这几年
有的, Brian Giles, (Jason Bay 也是这样得到的, 还有Oliver Perez)
还有 Aramis Ramiraz... 换到....Bobby Hill...
最帅气的是还会去做Matt Morris这种交易
然後我们还会去签 Joe Randa, Randal Simon, Burnitz...这些选手.
现在的management, 花不到两年的时间,重整了农场系统, 也还让整支球队年轻化
看看我们现在的depth chart和两年前就知道了
他们现在面对的指责事实上是之前几任GM不断错误的方向留给他们的问题
如果你把Bucs当成一支刚要重建的球队,那他这样的做法目前看起来成果是很不错的.
当然,我同意您说的,失去明星球员对球队有个种面向的伤害
不过,这支球队现在面临的问题,是什麽时候开始要赢,
而不是每年要靠selection出一个 all star
如果现在的management 继续他们现在在做的
加强农场, 强化球探部门,
我认为球队就有希望.
再一次, 我认为他们被批评 go cheap是因为前人的错误,
但是他们现在愿意在选秀花钱 (看看去年整个选秀签约的情况和这些选手现在的评价),
在international player 花钱
在多明尼加设立training facility
一再而再的都在 building the future, not buy to sell.
最後, we certainly will miss McLouth, but we should also be excited to see
Andrew McCutchen.
一些想法, 欢迎指教
※ 编辑: yij 来自: 97.65.48.66 (06/06 00:34)
26F:推 glavor:海盗缺大棒型选手..Andy是全队打点王.HR*2 67.186.0.228 06/06 11:15
27F:→ yij:man, we have freddy hitting #3... 97.65.36.97 06/06 14:27
28F:→ Dorasaga:推文吃光光了 o___O 220.136.80.73 06/06 16:49
29F:→ yij:还在阿 ? 97.65.36.97 06/07 03:21