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标题[闲聊] 海盗有可能像同城的NHL球队一样夺冠吗?
时间Mon Jun 15 00:09:01 2009
NHL的匹兹堡企鹅队刚夺下冠军,
这件事看在很多海盗迷眼里恐怕有点不是滋味,
有不少人都在谈海盗有没有可能像企鹅一样,
B.U.C.C.O Fan有篇文章谈到这个问题,
翻译一下:
Saturday, June 13, 2009
Pirates Notebook: Penguins show what is wrong with the Pirates
by Tim Williams at 8:39 PM
In the aftermath of the Pittsburgh Penguins winning their first Stanley Cup
since 1992 (which was the last time the Pittsburgh Pirates had a winning
season) I've noticed a lot of people wondering why the Pirates can't compete
in a city where the other two professional sports teams are currently
champions.
就在匹兹堡企鹅夺下他们自1992以来首座史丹利金盃後(这也是匹兹堡海盗队最後一个胜
率超过五成的球季),我注意到许多人在谈为什麽位於同一座城市的海盗队,不能像其它
两只职业球队一样有夺冠机会。
A few of the common complaints I've noticed:
我注意到的一些抱怨包括:
-The Penguins actually pursue free agents (Fedotenko, Satan)
-Rather than trade their players for prospects, the Penguins acquire veteran
help for a playoff run
-The Penguins lock their stars up long term
企鹅真的在找自由球员
不但没用新秀换球员,企鹅还在季後赛找来老将帮忙。
企鹅把他们的明星球员用长约绑住。
Now I'll agree that the Penguins run things a lot differently than the
Pirates. The Pirates don't pursue big free agents, only going after bench
players and bullpen arms, and only those of the lower quality variety. When
the Pirates make a trade, it is usually for prospects, sending one of their
best players off in exchange for the unproven prospects. And the only player
the Pirates have retained past free agency in the last several years has been
Jack Wilson.
我同意企鹅的经营方式和海盗差很多,海盗不追逐大牌自由球员,顶多就是找板凳球员或
是牛棚,而这些球员通常素质不佳且差异性很大。海盗的交易都是为了找进新秀,不然就
是把他们最好的球员之一拿来换还证明自己能力的新秀。过去几年海盗在自由球员市场上
还留着的球员就是Jack Wilson。
Don't confuse this as being a problem with the Pirates though, and don't give
the Penguins management too much credit.
别以为这就是海盗的问题,也先别急着夸企鹅的管理阶层。
The fact is that this displays a major difference between the NHL and MLB.
All I have to do is point out the pre-lockout Penguins to show what is wrong
with the Pirates.
事实是这显示出NHL与MLB有多大不同,我能做的就是指出之前企鹅的状况来显示出海盗的
问题在哪。
It wasn't until after the lockout that the Penguins started making splashes
in the free agent market, and locking up their star players. It's not like
they were carrying out this practice before the lockout (Jaromir Jagr, Martin
Straka).
企鹅不是一直在追逐大牌自由球员的。一直到NHL的停赛风波後(译注2004-2005球季,NHL
因资方封馆而赛事停摆),企鹅才开始在自由球员市场有大动作,并绑住他们的明星球员
,在停赛风波前他们可没这样玩。
The new NHL provides a salary cap, a salary floor, and a better revenue
sharing plan than baseball currently has. This allows the Penguins to lock up
their young players, and contend with teams from New York and Boston. This
year all of the NHL teams were betwee $40.7 M and $56.7 M in payroll. By
comparison, the range in baseball is between $36.8 M and $201.4 M this season.
NHL有薪资上限、薪资下限,它们的收入分享制度也比棒球还好,这使企鹅可以绑住他们
的年轻球员,也能和纽约、波士顿的球队竞争。今年NHL队伍的薪资是在4070万至5670万
美元之间,大联盟今年则是3680万至2亿140万美元。
The Pirates are in a similar situation that the Penguins were in before the
lockout. They may not be facing bankruptcy, but they aren't exactly in
position to spend in line with the majority of teams in the league. They
aren't in position to retain their star players once free agency hits. Until
baseball adopts a salary cap, salary floor, and a better revenue sharing
plan, the Pirates won't be able to do what the Penguins or Steelers do.
海盗和过去企鹅在停赛风波前的处境有点像,他们虽然不至於破产,但也不可能和同
联盟的豪门球队一样花那麽多钱。一旦队中有选手取得自由球员资格,球队也没有财力留
住他。直到MLB也用薪资上限、薪资下限及制订更好的收入分享机制前,海盗不可能做到
像钢人一样。
A lot of references are made about the Milwaukee Brewers spending $30 M more
than the Pirates, despite being in similar markets. The Brewers also sold
over 3 million tickets last year, about 1.4 million more than the Pirates. In
fact, just pointing out the 2009 payroll differences doesn't begin to tell
the story of the difference between these two teams.
看酿酒人的例子可以带来很多启发:尽管市场规模类似,但它花的钱比海盗多3000万美元
,酿酒人去年卖出300万张门票,比海盗多出140万张,事实上光指出2009年两队薪资差距
并没法看出两队真正的差异在哪里。
From 1993 to 2004 the Pirates and Brewers both experienced losing seasons
every year. Milwaukee averaged $31.5 M in payroll per year over that time
span, while Pittsburgh averaged $28.6 M in payroll. Milwaukee finished with
an 825-1051 record, while Pittsburgh finished with an 835-1041 record. Safe
to say that the two teams were very similar during this time stretch as far
as payroll and records go.
从1993到2004年,海盗与酿酒人每年都胜少败多,酿酒人在这段期间平均每年薪资总和
3150万美元,海盗则是2860万美元。酿酒人战绩825胜1051败,海盗则是835胜1041败。可
以这麽说,这两队就薪资与战绩来说是很类似的。
Then came 2005. Milwaukee spent $39.9 M and Pittsburgh spent $38.1 M.
However, Pittsburgh went 67-95, while Milwaukee went 81-81.
然後到2005年,酿酒人花了3990万,海盗花了3810万,但酿酒人当年战绩81胜81败;海盗
67胜95败。
From there Milwaukee saw their payroll increase, going to $57.6 M in 2006,
$71 M in 2007, and $80 M the last two years. It's hard to argue that this
wasn't due to their success and higher attendance figures. Meanwhile the
Pirates put up losing records, and kept their payroll under $50 M, which can
be explained by low attendance figures and poor talent.
从这时起,酿酒人薪资就一路上升,2006年5760万,2007年7100万,过去两年是8000万,
很难去争论这不是因为他们的战绩不错与票房佳。同时间,海盗却持续在输,薪资也一直
压在5000万以下,这可以解释为何海盗票房低迷与找不到有潜力新秀。
I'm not saying it's impossible for the Pirates to win in today's MLB. The
Brewers are a perfect example that you CAN win if you're a small market team.
What I am saying is that you can't point to the championships by the Steelers
and Penguins this year and assume it's easy for the Pirates to achieve the
same results.
我不是说海盗不可能在今天MLB的生态下胜出,酿酒人是个完美例子:即使你是小市场球
队,你还是可以赢球。我说的是你不能拿钢人和企鹅今年的例子,然後假设海盗也很容易
能达成它们的成就。
The Brewers are where they are right now because they drafted Ben Sheets,
Corey Hart, J.J. Hardy, Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, Yovani Gallardo, Ryan
Braun, and Matt LaPorta (who they used to get C.C. Sabathia). That's all
since 1999.
酿酒人有今日的成就,是因为过去他们选了Ben Sheets、Corey Hart,J.J. Hardy、
Prince Fielder、Ricke Weeks、Yovani Gallardo, Ryan Braun及 Matt LaPorta (後来
这位被用来交换C.C. Sabathia),这是1999年以来他们所做的事。
.
In that same time period the Pirates have drafted Ryan Doumit, Sean Burnett,
Nate McLouth, Ian Snell, Zach Duke, Matt Capps, Nyjer Morgan, Paul Maholm,
Tom Gorzelanny, and Andrew McCutchen. There's some good players in there, but
the Pirates lack consistent production, and don't have superstars like Braun
or Fielder, or aces like Sheets and Gallardo.
同一时间海盗选了Ryan Doumit, Sean Burnett, Nate McLouth, Ian Snell, Zach
Duke, Matt Capps, Nyjer Morgan, Paul Maholm, Tom Gorzelanny, 还有Andrew
McCutchen。这里面有些好手,但海盗的选秀质量却没有持续保持,而且海盗也没有像
Ryan Braun或Prince Fielder等巨星,或是Ben Sheets、Gallardo等王牌投手。
The Pirates have struggled the last 17 years mostly due to poor talent
evaluation, and poor development. That's something they can't do when the
scales are so mis-aligned in baseball. Even a team like Milwaukee, after
years of great drafting, and success in the regular season, can't afford to
outspend the big market teams to keep free agents like C.C. Sabathia. It's
absurd to think the Pirates can just go out and get any free agent they want,
or even extend their own players, like Jason Bay, who won't even sign an
extension with the Red Sox.
海盗过去十七年来的窘境,大部份是因对球员天份的评估能力太差,以及培养能力不佳。
这是他们在棒球这个体制下所无法做到的。即使像酿酒人这样的球队,多年来选秀选得如
此成功,在例行赛战绩也如此亮眼,它们也没有足够财力去和豪门球队竞逐市场上像
C.C. Sabathia等自由球员,要海盗能马上抢到他们想要的自由球员,是不切实际的,更
别提要和他们的球员延长合约-Jason Bay也甚至不想和红袜签延长合约。
Pittsburgh is now home to the current NFL and NHL champions. I'm not saying
it's impossible for the Pirates to ever join those two teams in their
success. However, unless we see some big changes in the structure of major
league baseball, the odds of that happening are drastically reduced.
匹兹堡有NFL及NHL冠军,我不是说海盗不可能像这两只球队一样成功,但除非我们看到大
联盟制度有大变革,不然海盗要成功的机率可能性恐怕不高的。
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