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翻译一下吧:) Dear Stratovarius Fans, 亲爱的腾云歌迷们: It is time to stop the silence and announce what some of you have already been speculating. Stratovarius is no more. 该是停止沉默,并且宣布你们之中有些人已经在推测的时候了,腾云已经没了 Last October I told the guys that I am stopping the band and told them the reasons why. This letter is addressed to you, Stratovarius fans, who have supported the band for so many years. I first thought that I would write just a very generelized, typical ”music business” statement that basically never says anything. Then I decided that you deserve to hear at least parts of the truth what has been going on behind the scenes so you will be able to understand my decision better. 去年十月我告诉其他人,我要停止这个团,并且告诉他们为什麽。这封信是 给你们的,腾云的歌迷们,你们已经支持我们好多好多年了。我第一个想法 是我要写一封非常普通的,典型的「音乐产业」,然後其实根本就像什麽都 没说的宣告。然後我决定你们应该得到听到最後一部分的实话,那些在舞台 背後的事情,这样你们应该就能够了解为什麽会有这样的决定。 All the time, since TK and Jörg joined the band, there have been tensions and negativity flying around. This has been concentrating on me, TK and Jö rg. The reasons Jari Kainulainen was fired some years back were so absurd that I am not even try to explain them here. If I write a book one day, maybe then. Anyways, I think the seeds were planted already back then, something like 12 years ago. There were many confrontations, Jörg has been complaining to me about TK and TK complaining to me about Jörg. At a times it was a mess, although of course, it never would show outside to the fans. It is not my intention to disrespect TK and Jörg here. They are both fundamentally good guys. Things just sometimes happen and relationships go to directions we don’t want them to go. It’s like a divorce, nobody wants it to happen but sometimes it is best for all so everyone can continue their own lives. Plus I want to tell how things have been behind the curtains. You always only see the good side anyway, you don’t really know what is going on. 自从 Kopiteto和 Jorg加入的时刻至今,一直都有紧张和负面的事情围 绕着。通常都是在我、TK和 Jorg 上。为什麽很多年前 Jari 被火掉是非 常愚蠢的,我这里根本不想解释。如果我改天写了本书,也许那时後会讲 一下。无论如何,我想这样(冲突)的种子在很久以前就已经种下,可能 远在十二年前。有很多冲突, Jorg 向我抱怨 TK,然後 TK 向我抱怨 Jorg。 有些时候是很糟,即便当然,从来不会对歌迷表现出来。我完全没有不尊 敬TK和Jorg两位的意思。他们基本上都是非常棒的人。但有些事情就是发 生了,然後关系就这样走向我不想要他们走向的路。这就像是离婚一样, 没人想要让他发生,不过有些时候最好的结果就是这样,好让大家能够继 续自己的人生。又加上我想要告诉在布幕後发生了什麽事情。你们永远只 会看到好的那一面,你们真的不知道到底发生了什麽。 We had amazing years, 14 records, 6 world tours with over a thousand shows all across the Globe, 3 gold discs, a Finnish Grammy and almost 3 million records sold. I have arrived to my decision after careful, long and rational thinking of over a year and I know it is the right way for me. I just felt so bad being in Stratovarius. Something was terribly wrong in there and nobody seemed to care. 我们有很棒的几年,十四张专辑,六次世界巡回,还有在全球超过千场 的演出。三张金唱片,一个芬兰葛莱美和几乎三百万张的销售量。我已经 在小心,长且理性的好几年想法之後,做出了决定,且我认为这对我来说 是对的方向。我只是在腾云内的时候感到很糟。有些在里面的事情真的透 了,且似乎没人关心。 The countdown really started from the last Stratovarius album in 2005. At that time the atmosphere in the band was extremely weird. I had spent most of 2004 recovering from my nervous breakdown in April 2004 when I was hospitalized. It was at this point when things started to change. Jens supported me immensely during 2004 with his phone calls. We then did that ” Stratovarius” album, which I think is an awful album and went for the subsequent tour production. By that time it was apparent to me that things really were bad. Nobody seemed to care about anything. I had the idea to use projection screens and for that, you need to produce graphics. I planned those and basically the whole show. Nobody seemed to have any interest in it. 倒数计时真的开始是在最後一张二零零五的腾云专辑。在那个时候团内 的气氛是极端的怪异。我 2004 年花了几乎一整年,从 2004 四月开始的 ,我住进医院的精神崩溃中回复。那是所有事情开始转变时刻。 Jens 大 力的和我通电话来支持我。我们後来做了那张「腾云」专辑,那张我觉得 是很鸟的专辑,然後就有了後来的巡回演唱。在那个时候对我来说整件事 情显然都变得很糟。没人在意任何事情。我有想要用投影萤幕的想法,且 因此你必须要做图片出来。我计画那些,还有基本上是整个表演。似乎没 人对这有兴趣。 It was more like, the less the better. The atmosphere at the rehearsals was awful. Lauri Porra who had just joined the band was wondering what is going on with this band. Jörg Michael came straight from Saxon to this tour wearing a Saxon shirt during most of the shows. His attitude for most of the tour was extremely arrogant, pretty much towards everybody. But especially towards me and TK. And TK’s attitude towards me was lukewarm and polite, but I could sense the hostility. Of course we as professionals put on very good shows but it was more craftmanship and rehearsed performance than a great united band playing emotionally from the heart. I think TK was always very bitter about that he could not get his songs and/or lyrics on Strato records. I did not understand this really cause he had/has his solo band where he could do what he wanted. It took me many years to learn to simply tell him that I don’t like his songwriting and lyrics and that the main difference between me and him is that I am writing songs that end up being Strato songs while he is trying to write Strato songs that end up being Kotipelto songs, which means they belong on a Kotipelto record. 那更像是,越少越好。整个在排练的气氛是很鸟的。刚加入这个团的 Laruri Porra不知道这个团到底怎麽了。 Jorg 直接从 Saxon的巡回加入 我们,然後大部分的表演都穿着 Saxon的 T。他在大部分的表演上都是极 端的傲慢的,几乎是对所有人。特别对我和TK。然後TK对我的态度是微温 和礼貌的,不过我可以感受到敌意。当然我们在专业人士的角色上,还是 有着相当好的演出,不过那就像是工匠和排练的表演,而非一个很棒的合 作无间的,用「心」在表演的整体在表演。我想TK总是对於,他不能够在 腾云的歌和 /或歌词感到不满。我真的不太了解这个,因为他其实有个他 自己的 solo 团,他可以干他想干的事情。我花了好多年才学会告诉他我 不喜欢他的曲和词,我和他的最大差别是我写的歌,最後会变成腾云的歌 ,而当他想要写腾云的歌的时候,最後会变成 Kotipelto的歌,意思是他 们是属於 Kotipelto专辑的。 It is not easy to say to someone that you don’t like his music. You guys and girls dont like all music, neither do I. Neither does TK. I am not anyone to tell what is good and what is bad music, but I do can tell what kind of music I like. And TK’s stuff just doesn’t do it for me. I do have to say that I think he has written many great songs as well during his solo career. Plus he probably would say the same things about my songwriting. We are just very different. He has a very different sense of humor than I have. Maybe the weirdest thing in Strato was that we never really were friends in the band. I visited TK in 12 years perhaps 5 times. To me Jens was the closest in the band and lately Lauri Porra, who is a wonderful guy. But none of use was really ever real friends. It might be surprising to you but that is the truth. 对某个人说你不喜欢他的音乐并不是一件简单的事情。你们男的和女的 不喜欢「所有的」音乐,我也是。TK也是。我不是那个要告诉你们什麽是 好的,什麽是不好的音乐的人,不过我可以说我喜欢什麽音乐。然後TK的 东西就是不合我胃口。我必须要说得是,他的确在他自己 solo 的生涯里 面写了许多好歌。我们就是很不一样。他有着和我非常不同的幽默感。也 许整个腾云里面最怪的事情是我们从来不是真正的朋友。我在 12 年内也 许拜访了 TK 五次吧。对我来说 Jens 是团里面最好的朋友,再来就是最 近的 Lauri Porra,他是个非常棒的人。不过我们之间没有人互相是真的 朋友。这对也许相当令你们讶异,不过事实如此。 The tour continued and Jörg’s drum roadie told me drunk that Jörg is leaving the band after the tour but he is doing the tour cause ”he is a businessman”. I guess you could say that Jörg’s attitude pretty much culminated what he said to me in Seattle on that tour. He told me that he thinks the band is over. We tried to record, 3rd time, a live DVD in Sao Paulo but could not use the shootings because we played so badly. It was just plain awful. Although we rocked lot of crowds on that 120 date world tour, still the overall vibe was very much like ”going to work”. Not for me though. Not still at that point. But it felt to me that nobody’s heart was in the band and it was just for the money. 巡回演出继续,然後 Jorg 的鼓管理员醉醺醺的告诉我 Jorg 在巡回後 要离开这个团,不过他因为「他是个生意人」所以继续巡回。我认为Jorg 的态度大概在西雅图他告诉我关於这场巡回的一些事情到了最高点。他告 诉我他认为这个团已经掰了。我们试着要在圣保罗第三次的尝试着要录场 live DVD,不过因为他打得太烂所以东西根本不能用。这整个就是一把鸟 。虽然我们在为期 120天的巡回,让很多乐迷相当高兴,不过整体的感觉 还是就像:「去工作」。对我来说不是。至少在那个时候还不是。不过我 感觉没人的心是在这个上,然後这只是为了钱而已。 The tour came and went, we survived and Jörg didn’t leave the band. But it was the weirdest tour I have ever done. Very succesful, but still it felt like forcing something. It was not fun. It was sad. 巡回来了又走了,我们还活着 Jorg 没离团。不过这是我表演过最怪得 巡回了。非常成功,不过还是感觉是拖着在做。并不好玩,其实很糟。 The next thing I had in mind was to write a really fresh good old fashioned Power Metal album in the vein of Visions. I felt our fans deserved it and I felt it was the right thing to do. This was the infamous ”RR” album. The songwriting was flowing and the songs sounded really nice and melodic and very much like old Strato. I was all the time on my toes because of the situation in the band and I was anticipating difficult recording sessions. Anyways in late 2006 we completed a demo tape containing 10 brand new songs. I wasn’t too happy about the demo, but it did serve its purpose, to present the songs to the record company. I then booked 12 days from Sonic Pump studio in Helsinki for March 2007. This was the weirdest session I had ever had. Jö rg was all the time talking about that we have to get the ”Visions hunger” back, although I don’t think he himself had that hunger. Nobody had. The session was nothing like the recording sessions before. Nobody had rehearsed the songs really and everything sounded pretty awful. I tweaked the drum tracks for a week and gave up. It was around this point when I really was starting to think why am I keeping this alive when it’s so difficult. I remember how much time, energy and money we put to Elements 1. There was nowhere to go after that anymore without just repeating the past. I do know that TK didn’t like that album at all, which yet again shows the difference between him me. It doesn’t mean that he has to like it of course, but to me Elements 1 represents the peak of the Strato evolution and perhaps I should have stopped the band already then. 下一件我想干得事情是写一个非常好的老学究的强力金属专辑,在 Vision 的样子下。我感觉我们的歌迷应得这样的东西,且我认为这是对的事情。 这是没什麽名的" RR "专辑。曲很流畅,歌听起来很棒且有旋律性,同时 就像老的腾云一样。这都是在我手指上发生的,因为整个团的情况,且我 已经预料了在录制上会有困难。无论如何,在 2006 年底我们完成了十首 demo带,里面有时首全新的歌,我并没有对於这卷 demo 很高兴,不过他 值得他应得的,就是让唱片公司听到。我然後在赫尔辛基的 Sonic Pump 录音室定了十二天。那是我曾经遭遇过最怪得录音。 Jorg 一直在讲我们 必须要带回那种「vision 渴望」回来即便我不认为他自己有这种渴望。 没有人有。整个录音一点都不像之前的录音。没有人曾经排练那些歌,同 十所有都很怪。我桥了鼓轨一个礼拜然後我放弃了。那就是我开始在想为 什麽这麽糟了我还要让这东西继续下去。我想起我花了多少时间、经历和 钱在Element Part.1。那是个除了回到过去光荣时刻之外,已经无路可走 的状况。我真的知道TK完全不喜欢那张专辑,然後这又一次显现了我和他 的不同。这当然并不代表他必须要喜欢那张专辑,不过对我来说 Part 1 代表了 腾云 进化的顶点,而我可能应该要在那个时候就把这个团停掉。 Last year, 2007, was the turning point for me in many ways. I felt better, but regarding Strato I felt worse. There were fights about everything, even about trivialities, which really annoyed me. A lots of fights. A lot. I had to use a lot of energy to try to get merch to Stratoshop, which was on the shoulders of Jörg and TK, because there was no merch for people to order but still they were ordering cause the items were on the page. The SSL certificate that proves the site is secure was expired a year ago, I tried to get that fixed, could not do it because I wasn’t authorized to do so. The most popular items from the shop were sold out and Jörg refused to print more. I could not understand any of the things that were going on. At the same time, I was having more fun than in years with my rock opera Saana. When I was making that, I realized what was lacking in Strato: the enthusiasm, creativity and fun. It wasn’t like that in years. Saana gave me hope that there still could be something new for me to learn at this age and it gave me a whole new world of things and a start for something new. Plus I knew I had some really cool new Metal songs in the works. 去年,2007,在许多方面对我来说是转变点。我感觉更好了,不过关於 腾云方面我觉得更糟了。每件事情都有争吵,即便在很多琐碎的事情上, 这真的让我很困扰。很多争吵。很多。我必须要花很多经历在处理 Strato Shop的事情,而那以前应该是 Jorg和 TK要做个事情,因为没有人出货, 不过还是有人在订,因为网页还是在。让整个网页安全的 SSL认证早在一 年前就已经过期了,我试着要修好他,不过我不能因为我没有权限。店内 最畅销的东西已经卖完了,而 Jorg 不想要在印了。我不能了解所有事情 到底怎麽了。同时,我玩我的 rock opera Saana玩的比过去几年都起劲。 当我玩得很爽的时候,我了解腾云少了什麽:热情,创造力和乐趣。这几 年来都不是这样。 Saana给我在这把年纪了还是可以学新东西的希望,并 且给我一个全新的世界,还有一个可以做一些新事情的开始。加上我知道 我有某些正在生的真的很酷的新金属歌。 We did have 8 festival shows during 2007 and it was then, when I was standing on stage in Wacken Germany before 45 000 metalheads , when I fully realized that this band is over. I remember clearly playing those same old songs we had played so many times before and a feeling came to me that told me: this band has no soul anymore. I looked around and I felt like I am part of a play that has a script or machine and that there is nothing fresh and exciting happening anymore. The band sounds awful. Nobody’s heart was in it. It was just the same old song. Jörg worked at this point full time in artist production company doing tourmanaging and he was working at Wacken too. He literally came to play from production office and returned there after. Everybody was polite, on the surface, but there was no friendship, all I could sense were the underlying tensions of relatioships that had come to an end. I had felt during that year that the band existed only for one reason and that was the money. I had felt that this was the main motivation what kept Jörg and TK in the band still despite of the underlying tensions. While standing on Wacken stage to my absolute horror, I understood that also for me that had now become a reality. I was keeping this alive for money. It was then when I decided that I must stop the band. 我们在 2007 表演了八场音乐节的演出,然後那就是,当我在德国 Wacken 站在 45000个金属头前面时,我完全了解这个团已经掰了。我清楚的记得 那些我们表演了很多次的歌,然後有个感觉就涌上心头:这个团已经没有 灵魂了。我环顾四周,然後我感觉到我是一个没有新鲜感和刺激发生的剧 本或机器的一部分。整个团听起来都很鸟。大家都无心恋栈。那就是同样 的老哥。Jorg在这时全职的在艺人制作公司,做着巡回表演管理,而他也 在 Wacken 工作。他实在的从他的制作公司办公室来表演然後表演完就回 去了。每个人都很有礼貌,表面上啦,不过没有友谊了,所有我感觉到的 事情就是在下面的关系紧张和该是结束的时候了。我在这几年都有这样的 感觉,那就是这个团还活着的原因只是因为钱。我觉得这是为何 Jorg和 TK还在这个团里面的动机,即便有一堆台面下的紧张关系。当我站在Wacken 的舞台上,面对着我最深的恐惧时,我了解这也也对我来说是怎样成真。 我继续维持着这一切,是为了钱。我在那时候决定了我必须要结束这个团。 So it was during this show, I decided that it’s over. I was still thinking about everything but I felt that for my future, it was the only logical thing to do. I did not want to fire TK and Jörg because they are and have been as much part of Strato as I have been and it would not be fair to the fans. I then decided that it is best to lay rest what is already dead. I informed guys by email in October 2008 about my decision and explained in detail my reasons hoping they would see my points and agree what is real. Only Jens and Lauri answered. TK and Jörg did not even answer to that mail. Jens understood my decision, Lauri did not. I understand him, he got a taste of what it is to be in a succesful rock band touring the world. It is not easy to give that up. He did fail to see my side of the story. That TK and Jörg did not comment anything really speaks for itself. I did want to finish the Stratovarius saga with style and naive as I am, in February 2008 I wrote a mail to the band and proposed that we would say goodbye to our fans with style and do one more tour. I won’t go into details here, but this time I did get a response from TK and Jörg. I wished them well and wrote back that I can see there cannot be any more tours with this band because of the hostile reactions.. So that was that. I felt good about my decision, but not good that out of legal reasons I have had to wait for this announcement for so long. 所以在那场表演,我决定这一切该结束了。我还是继续在想很多事,不过 我觉得对我的未来讲,这是唯一有逻辑的事情了。我没有想要开除TK或 Jorg,因为他们已经和我一样在腾云内占了举足轻重的角色,这样对乐迷 们并不公平。之後我决定最好的方式是让已经死掉的东西就休止吧。我用 电子邮件在 2008年(?)十月,告诉他们我的决定,并且详细的解释我的 理由,希望他们可以看到我的论点同时同意这是真的。只有 Jens 和 Lauri 回答了。 TK 和 Korg没有回我 mail。 Jens了解我的决定, Lauri不了。 我了解他,他终於有了什麽叫做一个成功的摇滚乐团可以全球巡回。这并 不是容易放弃的东西。他没有看到我这边的故事。TK和 Jorg 没有讲什麽 的事实本身就已经说明了一切。我真的想要用我的方式和天真,来停止腾 云传奇, 2008 年二月我写了一封信给所有团员,并且认为我们应该要和 我们的乐迷有格调的说再见,并且在做一次巡回。我不想要在这边说详细 的东西,不过这次我有收到TK和 Jorg 的回应。我希望他们安好并且回信 给我,告诉我我可以了解不能继续在这样的敌对反应下,继续巡回了。所 以就像那样。我对我的决定感到很好,不过在一些法律的因素下并没有那 麽好,我必须要等待这麽久才宣布。 Then I thought that since I have all these great songs in my hands, I wanna put these out somehow. So I contacted a few friends, we laid the basic tracks in the same place where the Strato RR session had taken place a year ago and it was just flowing. There was happiness. There was energy. The songs sounded great. My friends Michael Kiske and Tobias Sammet agreed to sing on the album. I decided to form a new band called ”REVOLUTION RENAISSANCE” which would continue the legacy of Stratovarius. In this first album I just wanted to release these songs finally so I did not have time to search for a permanent line up. I am now, so if you are interested, drop me a mail! The album comes out 6.6.2008 through Frontiers Records. 然後我想既然我有这麽多好歌,我想要把这些歌放出来。所以我联络了几 个朋友,我们放了几条轨,就像一年前腾云 RR 录音的时候一样,而那还 是一样。很高兴,很有干劲。歌听起来很棒。我的朋友 Michael Kiske和 Tobias Sammet 同意要在这张专辑上献声。我决定要成立一个新乐团,叫 做「革命文艺复兴」,可以继续腾云的遗产。在第一章专辑我只想要把这 些歌弄出来,所以我没有时间去找固定的成员们。我现在正在努力,如果 你有兴趣的话,寄信给我!新专辑会在 2008 年 6 月 6 号在 Frontiers 唱片公司发行。 I am excited and happy…for the first time in years. I can hardly wait what the destiny has in store for me with my new band, projects, songwriting. I am living a very creative times. I have my production company and I am doing lots of different projects and not only metal but basically anything that moves me. 我很兴奋和快乐 .... 这几年来第一次。我几乎不能等我的新团、组合 、歌,在店里面的命运会是怎样。我现在在一个非常有创造力的时候。我 有我自己的制作公司,且我正在做着很多计画,不只是金属,就是让我觉 得很感动得东西。 First I would like to, despite of all, thank Jörg, TK, Jens, Jari, Lauri, Tuomo, Antti and Jyrki for these 22 years. It was a quite a ride. I wish Jens, TK, Jörg and Lauri the very best with whatever they decide to do in their life and success with it. 第一我想要,除了所有人之外,谢谢Jorg, TK, Jens, Jari, Lauri,Tuomo, Antti 和 Jyrki 这 22 年。这是很长的一段旅程。我虚妄 Jens, TK, Jorg 和 Lauri 一切安好,不论他们决定要做的,还有他们的人生和成功。 Last but most importantly, I want to thank you Stratovarius fans for your love and support and for the great life. We will be seeing each other in some ways, somewhere. You will always remain in my heart. 最後,但最重要的,我希望谢谢你们,腾云的歌迷,因为你们的爱和这几 年来的美好的人生。我们会用许多方法看到彼此,在某个地方。你们会永 远在我心中。 With Love, Timo 爱你们的, Timo --



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◆ From: 219.68.74.68 ※ 编辑: nobody 来自: 219.68.74.68 (04/03 04:20)
1F:推 MostAlone:我流泪了 04/03 04:23
2F:推 ayuro:泪推....不过知道一件事实~果然鸟鸟的做专辑专辑也是很鸟 04/03 05:15
3F:推 Adorse:如果能再做出VISION这样的专辑.解散也好啦XD 04/03 07:55
4F:推 jojohibs:Kiske耶... 好想赶快听到 04/03 09:39
5F:推 hideandrei:ㄆㄆ敢爱敢恨至少比一推大团摆滥骗钱来的有guts 04/03 11:36
6F:推 Farly:Timo真男人!!! 谢谢翻译的没有人大大 04/03 11:37
7F:推 rasheedchiu:Merallica:我们团员情比金坚 04/03 12:07
8F:→ rasheedchiu: t 04/03 12:07
9F:推 cielu:还满想哭的 一方面觉得老团解散很可惜 但是Timo这篇声明 04/03 12:19
10F:→ cielu:写得很有诚意 也算是真的有交代了 04/03 12:20
11F:→ cielu:希望他在新团延续他的音乐生命 有空来台湾巡回一下...... 04/03 12:20
12F:→ cielu:啊 感谢翻译的原po m(_ _)m 04/03 12:21
13F:推 alice1012v18:it's time to say goodbye 04/03 13:02
14F:→ alice1012v18:I know it will make you cry... 04/03 13:03
15F:→ daijow:天阿,看完这篇,我竟然流泪了。 04/03 13:06
16F:推 alice1012v18:哭哭 今天要翻专辑出来听一整天 04/03 13:12
17F:推 folkvampire:推 感谢翻译 04/03 15:56
18F:推 craworm:我突然开始尊敬Timo Tolkki了 感谢原PO 感谢Timo 04/03 16:29
19F:推 bassray: 推 感谢翻译 04/03 16:39
20F:推 buddhabikini:4000个雨夜过去之後...腾云还是散了... 04/03 17:28
21F:→ wpd:过个三年 大家都缺钱 再度复合... 04/03 17:28
22F:→ visualrock:其实是re-mastered digipack精选重发 加未公开影像DVD 04/03 17:31
23F:推 BigChiu:这篇是4月1号的文章吗? 04/03 17:34
24F:推 aphu:天哪 辛苦了.. 这篇不推不行 04/03 19:18
25F:推 s20953:被火掉是三小.... fire? 04/03 19:28
26F:推 hideyoshiki:心都凉了 04/03 21:29
27F:推 RockHundred:囧 04/03 22:07
28F:推 goldflower:感谢翻译...Timo这篇声明真的是讲了好多深刻的事情 04/03 22:33
29F:→ goldflower:不过我觉得Lauri好可怜喔= = 04/03 22:33
30F:推 tiap:哭哭.. 04/04 00:23
31F:推 cielu:刚查wiki 发现我们lag了一个月 囧? 04/04 01:01
32F:→ inji:哭>"< 04/04 01:13
33F:推 savetheworld:大哭...........T_____________T 04/04 02:09
34F:推 brownbear:应该没有累格.. Timo的myspace 刊这篇的日期是4/2 04/04 02:58
35F:→ brownbear:http://0rz.tw/9b3UZ 04/04 03:00
36F:推 bigbear0311:泪推....感谢翻译 想想腾云陪我度过好一段时光!! 04/04 23:31







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