※ 引述《hunk124 (金属之子得永生)》之铭言： : 小弟在某论坛上爬到的 腾云新一篇声明吗？ : http://strato.jens.org/stratovarius-statement-2008-05.php : 有人可以翻译吗？ : ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ : Teksti suomeksi / Petri Silas, Soundi : Tolkki's main motivation was greed : Timo Tolkki published a statement? on on April 2 this year. The other members : of Stratovarius would now like to set the record straight. You can't argue : with someone's perception of things, you can just explain how you see things : differently. 今年的4月2日 Timo Tokki 公开发表声明? 那腾云其他的团员就打开天窗说亮话了 你无法对别人的观点争论 你只能解释你对事情不同的看法 : The confrontations, fights, incompetence, tensions, negativity, bitterness, : hostility, disinterest, bad musicianship, and unfriendliness that Timo : described were never there. He constructed this alternate reality around : these simple and for him painful facts: 所有 Timo说的那些争吵 负面 不友善的状况 并不存在 (os:形容词太多不详翻 都是类似的负面事情 ) 他把所谓的实际状况建立在以下这些非常简单 但对他来说是很痛苦的事实上 : 1) The band's momentum has been slowing since 2004. 1 乐团的进度从2004以来就一直落後 : 2) The media chaos of 2004 made him lose a lot of trust and respect both : within and outside the band. 2 2004 媒体方面的混乱 ( os: 不太知道是指什麽 可能是负面的报导或是无法取信媒体 之类) 让他失去了许多乐团内与乐团外的信任跟尊重 : 3) Stratovarius' label Sanctuary had severe financial problems from 2005 on. : It forced us to start a legal process at the beginning of 2007. : If you live your life through other people's eyes, declining sales or a : perceived loss of power are matters of deep, stinging personal humiliation. : Other sad facts remain. The legal fight left us without a way to make a new : album, and financially strapped. Timo's main motivation for what he did was : greed, not issues of friendship or art. 腾云的唱片公司 Sanctury 自2005就遭遇了很大的财务危机 这迫使我们在2007年开始了一些法律程序 如果你是藉由别人的眼光来过生活 那麽销售递减 失去权力 等等 对你来说便会是非常大的伤害 祸不单行 法律诉讼让我们失去了发行新专辑的管道 也带来财务上的危机 Timo所做所为主要的动机是贪婪 并非为了什麽狗譬友情或是艺术 (os:狗譬是我自己加的) : In the summer of 2007, he presented the Stratovarius/ Revolution Renaissance : demos we had all financed and recorded to Frontiers Records, and signed a : recording agreement for a solo project. Unbelievably, he promised Frontiers : that he alone could (and would) stop Stratovarius from being active for the : duration of the R.R. project, for marketing reasons. In exchange for this, : Timo alone was paid 154,000 US dollars. 2007年夏 他发表了腾云/文艺复兴 录制并签给 Frontiers Records的demos 并签了一份solo专辑的录制合约 跌破眼镜的是他答应Frontiers 基於文艺复兴的 市场考量 他自己可以也将会停止腾云的活动 而交换条件就是对方付Timo个人 154,000 美金 : He did this behind our backs, as we were deep in pursuit of Sanctuary legally : with a large legal bill. He still hasn't had the guts to tell us what he did. : We pieced it together from various press releases of his and scattered email : correspondence. 他背着我们干这些勾当 (os:比较激动的说起来是这样) 当我们还在苦筹因为Sanctuary 的这一大钱的时候 他还是没种告诉我们他干了什麽事 是我们从他不同的媒体发言中及片片断断的email联系中联合发现这件事的 : In October he sent us a mail saying he didn't want to continue, a quite : impersonal way after having been in the same band for 12 years. He explained : that he was tired of Stratovarius, and would concentrate on things like his : opera. We had known for some time he really hated playing live. 十月时 他寄信给我们每个人说他不想再玩了 在我们同一团12年的情份下 他就以这样一个不怎麽够朋友的方式闪人了 他说明这是因为他已厌倦了腾云 而且将会把重心放在别的事物上 比如他的歌剧 我们对於他讨厌现场表演这件事也已知道一段时日 : He did not mention anything about his Frontiers deal, which placed the rest : of us at great financial risk. He very clearly asked that we wouldn't contact : him and try to talk him out of it, which we all respected. He would later : make much of the fact that nobody tried to talk him out of it. 他并没有提起任何关於他和Frontiers之间的事 这将我们其他人致於一个非常大的 财务风险 他非常明白要我们不要联络他也不要找他请他把事情说清楚 而我们也非常尊重这一点 他说他稍候会做说明 但并没有人要他这样做 : This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle, but Timo's announcement and Timo's : announcement alone ruined that, leaving us with a debt of 54,000 US dollars. : The total loss is around 346,000 US dollars. There was no reason for the : timing of his announcement other than some foolish belief it would make the : promotion of Timo's project record a bit easier. What he did to the rest of : us was stupid, selfish and more than disappointing to us since we all stood : shoulder to shoulder with him financially in 2004. 今年Sanctury 愿意稳定下来 (os:可能是指该公司有比较稳定 不是很懂) 但单单Timo 这一篇声明就完全毁了一切 而且留给我们54,000美元的债务 ( 2008/5/20补充: 今天我查了一下settle这字 有解决纷争的意思 所以也有可能是 指和解 ) 损失总金额大约346,000美金 这跟声明发表的时间点以及这对Timo的个人专辑宣传 一点关系都没有 他所做对我们其他人来说就是蠢 自私 而且不只是只有失望而已 因为我们从2004 就与他一起并肩作战 : Then late January, surprisingly, he proposed us playing as hired guns on R.R. : (turning it into a Stratovarius record), and doing a tour with Jari on bass. : Apparently he again had financial problems due to his failed opera project. : He then quickly dismissed the idea himself. 一月末 出人意料的他请求我们担任文艺复兴的客座乐手 (那不就回到跟腾云一样) 并且巡回日本 Jari担任bass 很明显地他失败的歌剧作品让他有了财务危机 所以他就马上收回自己的主意 : In short it's not so much a story of simmering discontent leading to a wise : and respectable decision. It's definitely not a story of naivit? It's the : story of Faust, the story of madness, of a band's natural and slow decline, : but in the end something mundane: the story of a supreme narcissist going : broke and betraying friends of 12 years who helped save him a few years : earlier. 简言之 这不是个导向什麽明智且令人尊重的决定 这难道不是小说家的作品吗? 这根本就是浮士德 (os: 把灵魂卖给恶魔然後得到才华 名声的故事) 是一个乐团的疯狂 自然而缓慢的消退 但是结局有些不同 这是个完全的自恋狂 破产 跟背判12年朋友的故事 而且这些朋友 早些年还曾经帮忙过他 : Hopefully this explains the situation a little bit. Sorry if it is long on : business crap, and short on humor or music. This was a terrible, : disappointing blow to us. 希望这了解状况有点帮助 很抱歉如果这只是一篇关於商业 无关幽默或是音乐的废话 这就是我们之间糟糕又令人失望的事情 : We would like to thank our fans who make it all worth it, and despite it all, : we would like to thank Timo for the past, the nice music and the good : moments. 我们要感谢让这一切都值得的乐迷们 不管如何 也要谢谢 和Timo一起有过的过往时光 美好音乐以及美好时刻 : The rest of us want to make clear that we are doing great and that we will : continue making music together, because we care about each other and we care : about our fans. We have grand plans indeed, and we will have some very : interesting news in the months ahead! : -TK JM JJ LP : the remaining members of Stratovarius 我们其他人要表明我们过得很好而且会继续一起做音乐 因为我们在乎彼此还有我们的 乐迷 我们的确有远大的计划 不久的将来也会有非常有趣的消息的 TK JM JJ LP ( os:..... 缩写起来怎麽都有点好笑...对不起 这种时候不该搞笑) 腾云其他继续着的团员们 --- 没有详查 大概翻一下 若有错或不通顺请不吝指正 手 很 酸 ~~~~ --

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