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What have you learned about what [James] wants in a coach, what's important to him, the kind of partnership you can have? 作为一个教练,你从胡子身上获得啥讯息,对他来说最重要的是啥,你跟他会有怎样的合作 关系呢? To be successful, you have to have a very good partnership. Gotta be a partnership. Can't be coach/players. Nowadays, especially your best players but everybody, they want to be coached but also have a partnership with them. They have to understand the trust there. I was tellin' someone the other day, it's like James & I have a rope. Sometimes I'll pull to the right and he's resistant & has to go along with me a little bit and then he'll pull to the left and I'm resistant and I'll go along. Main thing, we're not dropping the rope. What I've learned, he communicates very well. He has opinions on players. He's a part of the process & should be. He knows he's in a position now where his future is what he does in the game. Not money, not fame, he has all that. He's in a spot in his life, the most important thing now is winning. Most players will tell you that early and it's not the case but if you can find guys at the right spot, I think he's there. He wants to win. I'm looking forward to getting in with him and figuring out how do we do this. He knows he has to up his defense. I'm trying to figure out can he be a playmaker? Can we do a hybrid thing? How much does he need the ball in his hands? How much does the ball move? We'll try to figure it out together. 为了成功,你必须要拥有良好的合作关系,必须是,而不能单单只是教练、球员关系。现今 ,特别是你手中最好的球员们,他们虽然想要被执教,而和他们之间也存在一种合作关系, 他们必须理解到信任。我曾告诉他人,我和胡子之间就像共同抓住同一条绳子,有时候我会 把绳子往右边拉,胡子会抵抗,但他还是被我拉过来一些,然後他也会往左边拉,我也会抵 抗,被他拉过去一些,但有一点就是我们都不会放开绳子。胡子的表达能力非常好,他有他 的球员观点,他是这个过程的一部分,也应该是。他知道他现在生涯这阶段,他的未来取决 於他能在比赛中做到啥,不是金钱、也不是名声,这些他都有了,最重的的是赢球。他想要 赢球,我期待与他合作,一起想出我们要如何去实践。他知道他必须去提高他的防守,而我 会去尝试弄清楚一些问题,他能成为playmaker吗? 我们能把事情结合起来吗? 他需要多少 球权? 球需要转移多少次? 我们会一起弄清楚这些问题。 You've always loved to innovate, never afraid to fail. Some don't want to go out of their comfort zone. Do you look at James and say "His talents are unique to something I've always wanted to try or something we can do with him that wouldn't have worked with another player." Does he have your imagination? 你总是乐於创新并且从不怕失败,某些人他们不愿意从他们的舒适圈走出来。你会看着胡子 并且对他说”你的天赋很独特,适合完成一些我一直想要尝试的事情,或者一些我从来没在 其他球员身上完成过的事情。” 他身上是否拥有你所想要的愿景? I think so. He's more than throw me the ball, iso, let me go one on one, and let me create a quick shot for myself. He's at the point where I think we can move him over. Now I don't know yet, and we'll experiment & talk about it, does he bring it up every time? Does that wear him out? We have to figure out his rhythm of the game. He has a nice pace. He can see the floor. He's an undervalued passer. He averaged 7-8 assists last year. I'd love to see 12-13. I'd love to see where he starts the offense and the ball maybe gets back to him but after the ball is moved around 2-3 times. We'll have to see. Not cut & dry where you have Steve Nash in, that's what he does. We'll see what we can do & what hybrid offense we can have. One thing you do know with guys like him & Kobe, they're gonna score. How can we be efficient? To his defense, he's already efficient. I don't want to screw things up. They were like 8th/9th in offensive efficiency. I want to be in the top 5 but also don't want to be 15th. I have to be careful to go away from what they were doing but add little things to move up the efficiency ranks. 我想有的,他现在更多处於这样的状况,把球丢给我、让我单打、让我自己创造一次快速投 篮。我认为我们可以让他脱离这种状况,现在我还不知道怎做,但我们会一起实验、一起去 讨论它,他是每次都这麽打吗? 这会不会让他太累? 我们必须去弄清楚他的比赛节奏。他有 不错的节奏,他能观察场上局势,他是个被低估的传球手,他上赛季场均7-8助攻,而我更 乐意看到12-13助攻。我很乐意看到他发起进攻,在球回到他手上前,或许先转移个2-3次。 我们会看到的,我们能做些甚麽、我们能拥有怎样的混合式进攻。有件事情大家都要知道, 就是像他以及Kobe这样的球员就是要去得分,而要怎样做效率才会变高? 他 已经很有效率了,而我不想把事情搞砸,他们上赛季进攻效率是8/9名,我想让他们提升到 前5,但是不想让他们掉到第15名,我必须要特别小心,别让他们偏离他们上赛季所做的事 情太多,所以我只需要加入一点变化来提升他们效率就行了。 What did you learn coming from LA & NY? 你从LA NY时期学到了啥? You have to communicate more with them. I'm a little quiet in my down time. I'm thinking, they don't want to hear from me. Actually, they probably do. Be more open, talk. I needed to initiate it more and pull them closer to what I want. There was resistance in NY & LA. Didn't have the same vision I had. That created some problems. We had a lot of injuries too. I can have a vision and if we can't execute it, they won't believe in it after awhile. Injuries in LA, we could have overcome that but without Steve Nash & Steve Blake... We were spiraling out of control. Nash never came back. Blake came back. We end up 28-12, make the playoffs & got hurt again. There are things I can do differently. Whether that's a different outcome? I don't know. I'll try different approaches with James & make sure we're going down this road together. Luckily, the front office, myself have played this way. The players have the same vision. We have to tweak it but they're ok spreading the floor. Maybe Ariza maybe goes down to the four sometimes and we play that way. I had a hard time at first. Melo resisted going to the four. That was a problem. But I had Amar'e there at the four and Chandler at the five so I couldn't move Amar'e out. It's not working. It spirals out of control. There was friction. It got to the point we couldn't & didn't co-exist. Funny enough, after I resign, Amar'e gets hurt and they move Melo to the four. They exploded. We don't have a bad relationship but I had one vision, he wanted to go the other way. I couldn't get him to my way and then injuries and we weren't winning complicated everything. 你必须要跟他们多些沟通,在那段期间我有点太沉默了,我一直认为他们根本不想听我的, 事实上他们可能真的是这样。要更敞开、更多对话,我需要更多抛砖引玉,并且把他们拉到 更靠近我想要的道路上。在LA&NY时期有些阻力,就是我们之间没有相同的愿景,一些问题 产生了,出现大量的伤病,我本来能够克服,但我们失去了Steve Nash & Steve Blake... 情况开始失控,Nash再也没回来过,Blake回来了,最後28-12收官,打进了季後赛,然後又 再一次被打爆。或许那时候某些事情我可以用不同方式处里,所以结局就会变得不一样? 我 不知道。我将会采取不一样的方式和胡子合作,以确保我们走在相同的道路上。幸运的是, 这里的管理层以及我自己都已经打过相同的打法了,而这里的球员也拥有相同的想法,我们 必须扭转局面,但是必须确保他们有一定的场上拉开空间能力,也许有时候会让Ariza打4号 ,我们就是要那样打。起初我遭遇到的困境是,Melo不愿意去打4号,这就是一个问题了, 而我又拥有4号位的Amare,5号位Chandler,我也不能直接把Amare踢掉,这根本行不通,然 後局势失控,产生摩擦,变成不能共存、也没有共存过。可笑的是我离职後,Amare受伤、 他们把Melo拉去打4号,然後他们爆发了。我们之间的关系没有很糟,但是我有一个想法, 而他希望走另外一条路,我也没办法让他按照我的想法走,然後伤病爆发了,我们啥都没有 赢得。 Linsanity run. How much resentment from Carmelo or other players that lingered? 当林来疯爆发,有多少不满情绪是来自於Carmelo或者是其他球员呢? I have a hard time saying how much because I'm not in their mind. 这我也很难说,因为我没办法得知他们心里在想啥。 Did you sense it? 那你有感觉到吗? There's an undercurrent to every team. It was there. It's real. Problem we had, for Jeremy to be really good, he had to play a certain way. It was hard for him to adapt. Amar'e, Melo whatever had their certain way to be really good. They could co-exist if Melo went to the four and Amar'e was a backup to Tyson. Neither wanted to do that. We could see how to go and I didn't know how to get there. With losing again, you're trying to prod them with all the coach speak. Communication deteriorated. Then you would see faces of the guys who went through Linsanity. They can see what we can do. We're not doing it. 这种潜在的不满情绪在每支球队都会发生,这是真的。当初我们碰到的问题就是,对於林书 豪来说,他要打得非常好就必须按照某种方式打球,无论是Amare、Melo,还是谁都一样, 都有各自方式才能达到最佳。他们是可以共存的,拉Melo去打4号,Amare打Tyson替补,而 他们俩都不想这麽做,所以最後我们可以看到事情是如何发展的,而我也不知道要怎麽做才 能达到目标,随着一再的输球,你一直尝试着用所有的coach speak来督促他们,沟通恶化 了,然後你可以看到经历过林来疯的那些人的脸,他们可以看到我们究竟能完成啥事,而我 们却没有去做。 Did you feel at the time you resigned that if I'm gonna continue to coach NY, I'm gonna compromise myself and I'm not gonna compromise myself? Is that what it came down to? 当时你有没有这样觉得,若继续执教NY就是对自己妥协? 事情还会是一样的结果吗? It did. I didn't see a way out. Because of where it was, if I step back and let you guys go, then the focus will be on the something else other than me and the focus will be on the right place. They'll have to play harder & take responsibility because I'm not there. Woody more or less did what we did. I thought if they can get a pop and if we get a pop, we can make the playoffs. We were good enough to make the playoffs. I thought it was the right thing to do for the organization. Relationships deteriorated where I couldn't get the most out of people. Take me away and they'll up their game. 结果就是如此,我看不见出路,因为若我退出了,那麽焦点就会从我身上移开,转移到正确 的事情上,他们会打得更认真、更有责任,因为我已经不再那了。Woody或多或少都是在做 我们曾经做过的事情,我们能打进季後赛,我们绝对足够优秀来进季後赛,我那时认为有一 件正确的事情可以为球团做,我和球员关系已经恶化,我已不得人心,把我搬开,那麽他们 就会认真打球。 Phoenix, a young Amar'e, Marion, when you signed Nash, what did you think you were getting? It started the year before. Experimenting a little bit. I wanted to play different. Marion at the four, Amar'e at the five. We had a nice team. I remember other coaches I respect were against this. They thought I would destroy Marion's career at the four and Amar'e would get killed. I tried it & liked it. I didn't insist on it. Then the next year, Nash is available. We knew he was good & would help. We didn't know the NBA would change rules & they did. We didn't know at age 30, ...I've heard different opinions, Dallas did not really offer him a contract. When they did, I heard they gave him one last chance to...if we have to offer him one, we'll give him $27. We're offering $66. That wasn't gonna fly. So we got him. We can figure this out. This is where the Colangelo's are great. You got Nash, these guys, how are you gonna play? I'm going back & forth and not sure. Jerry & Bryan said play the guys you want to and play the way you want, don't deviate. That just gave me a license...I hadn't won in the NBA yet. They said do it. I said we're doing it. I got lucky. When we started, we thought we could sneak in the 8th seed. We start off the season, the method we were doing, on and on, we start 31-4. We're at halftime, we're giggling because we're up 20 everyday. Are you kiddin' me? I walked into Bryan's office & we start laughing. We didn't think we would be this good. We were killing people. Then Nash & Barbosa go down with injuries, we lose 6 in a row and then start winning again. We ended up with 62 wins, easily could have won 66 games if healthy. So a little luck, a little Dallas underestimating Steve. 在刚开始的时候,正在做点一些小实验,让Marion打4号,Amare打5号,我们拥有一支不错 的团队,我还记得,有些我很尊敬的教练们,他们非常抗拒这样的做法,他们认为我这样会 毁了Marion生涯,让Amare被谋杀。我开始尝试,我也蛮喜欢,但我没有很坚持,然後隔一 年,Nash变成自由球员,我们都知道他很棒、可以带来帮助,当时我们还不知道NBA会改变 规则,也不知道30岁球员是…. 我听到很多意见,Dallas并没有真的提供给他一份合约,他 们只提供给他最後一次机会要…. 若说我们必须要提一份合约的话,我们会开27m,然而我 们开了66m,我们得到他了。当你拥有了Nash及一票球员,你要怎麽打呢? 我反覆琢磨、不 确定,Jerry & Bryan却说,你就照你想要做的去使用这些球员吧,别偏离了,这给我了权 限,当时我在NBA还没有打出成绩,他们让我放手去做,我很幸运。一开始时,我们认为我 们可能拿到老八,我们从休赛期开始准备,打出31-4开局,我们从没想过我们会如此棒,然 後Nash & Barbosa伤了,我们连败6场,接着又开始赢球了,最後以62胜结束赛季,若那时 候健康的话,我们可以很轻松地达到66胜,这有些幸运,也有些拜Dallas低估Steve所赐。 End in Phoenix, you & Kerr have looked back and reflected on it. Do you look back at the Suns and say we could have kept going with it or did it reach the end of the line? We could have made it work. We did have a bump here & there. It got old. We tried, we tried, we tried. Traded for Shaq and went away from... We got to a point, we didn't have any success that you could win a championship that way. Everyone said you can't. I don't know if we believed in it 1000%. Maybe 800%. We just got to a point where I'm tired. Tried to get over the hump, couldn't get over the hump. Some friction happened. We changed courses. If I had the analytic stuff we have now, knowing this is the right way to go, we would have kept going and tinkered some place else. It was Duncan in the way. It wasn't what we were doing. It's the "Do we need to adjust to who they are or keep doing what we're doing?" That's the question. Sometimes you blink. You believed in your vision stronger than him? Was that the push/pull between you & Steve? Could have been. I lost my cockiness. You go the fourth year, it felt stale. It felt like we won't get over the hump. You think Shaq is the piece - the guy to guard the rim. We needed that. Nothing against Amar'e, couldn't quite guard the rim as we needed it. So I'm thinking, maybe we can and we couldn't. It was better I moved on. It was the right time to do it. Stale, friction, let's go to NY. Know what I shouldn't have done? Leave Steve Nash. That's life & you learn from it. Before the Knicks, you talked with the Bulls. Were you hoping you had a Bulls offer in hand or do you still think you're taking the Knicks job? I probably would have taken the Chicago job. The team was better in Chicago. Donnie Walsh told me we have two years of losing and then the big free agency. I'm cocky as a coach, thinking we'll hopefully make the playoffs and we'll be okay. Chicago was set up. When I go, I've already signed, they do get the #1 pick & Derrick Rose. My time in NY was great. When they say 2 years, we'll get into that big FA class in 2010, 2 years of taking our lumps, do you misjudge...then you're star gets tarnished. He can't coach without Nash. No, we've gutted it. Then when those FAs come, I can't pick a losing program. Is that what you were up against? A whole lot. Looking back, Miami, at the same time, won and then gutted it right before free agency and got three guys. They had the one. You didn't. That makes it hard. Teams have learned since then. "They'll come to NY or LA, just tell them." You can be a world figure from anywhere. It's nice but it's not important anymore. We shot ourselves in the foot. You learn from it. You can never re-create anything. You want to win in Houston but if this is your last coaching job, what do you want to happen short of winning that will make you be at peace with how it goes that you didn't have in NY or LA? Relationships always are at the top of my list. You get a feeling. We have to be relevant. We can overachieve. We can be better than people think. If so, that's successful. To make James a MVP type player, which he was already but to get him over the hump there. Develop players like Capela, who has big upside. Can we make him a NBA star? Can we get the best out of Beverley? Then I'm satisfied. It is what it is. Don't win a title, you'll get killed. I'm ok with that. As long as I'm doing my job the right way & players like me(respect me), I can live with the results. 我依然会把人际关系摆在第一位,我们可以超额完成一些事情,我们可以变得比人们想像中 的还要更好,如果这些都发生了,那就是成功了。让胡子成为MVP等级的球员,他曾做到过 ,但还要帮助他跨过某些障碍,培养一些球员例如Capela,他天赋很高,我们能让他成为一 位NBA明星球员吗? 我们能让Beverley打出最棒的状态吗? 然後这样我就会满足,事情就是 这样。别只想着拿冠军,这会杀死你自己,这我能接受的(无冠)。只要我能用正确的方式来 做我的工作,球员们也都喜欢我(尊重我),那我可以接受任何结果。 Do you feel now that criticism bothers you less? I have a harder shell for sure. You stick to what you do. I get snarly & cute. Pop can say it. I do have a smart mouth sometimes. Got myself in trouble in Phoenix, especially on the defensive end. I get criticized for not caring about defense. Every coach cares about defense. I know the reason we didn't win a title is because we weren't great defensively. We tried to but didn't. Snide remarks I can get better at but I am who I am and am comfortable in my skin. They pay us a lot of money. It's a great job. Take the criticism, be a big boy and hang in there and do your job and understand that's part of it. 这是CF网友自己节录下来的,原文实在是太长了 翻到一半才发现,超过一半跟火箭无关,全都在说drama 所以就不翻了 不过可以藉此了解MDA是个啥样的人,有些自负、有些白目… 不过他的想法确实很超前,这点不能否认 他会选择火箭我其实也不太感到意外 他大可选择在76人继续陪公子练球 原因大概就是执教障碍相比前东家少了蛮多 1.自从阿力接管火箭,所有总教练至少都活过4年,老板也很抠不会随便换 2.火箭实施现在这样的快节奏打法(三分、上篮、罚球)行之有年,而且老板跟莫雷都很坚持 ,契合MDA想要的打法 3.火箭大牌只剩一个胡子,没有像NY LA有N巨头需要协调,而且角色球员很乐意接受位置调 整,对於Ariza打4号、胡子打3号已经习以为常 4.最重要的发动机,火箭已经有现成了,胡子打playmaker已经行之有年了,相比Kobe、 Melo转型阵痛期应该会比较少,而且他曾在OKC打出接近180俱乐部的高效率,我认为他可以 做提高效率,他需要调整他的比赛节奏 --



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1F:推 yiyi7443 : 推 感谢翻译 07/14 23:02
2F:→ yiyi7443 : 谈offensive efficiency那段 To his defense应该是 07/14 23:03
3F:推 nonavailable: 推辛苦翻译 07/14 23:03
4F:→ yiyi7443 : "替胡子辩护/说公道话"的意思 跟防守无关 07/14 23:04
5F:推 featherof : 用心推! 07/14 23:04
6F:推 yiyi7443 : 原文真的很长 我也只看了跟火箭和胡子有关的部份 07/14 23:06
7F:→ Aggro : 真心希望小胡子能再次让联盟沸腾阿:3 07/14 23:07
8F:→ JCrawford : 我看得眼睛都花了.. 07/14 23:07
※ 编辑: JCrawford (124.8.73.149), 07/14/2016 23:08:34
9F:→ Aggro : 我一直觉得火箭现在的打法和料 MDA找不到第二个更好 07/14 23:10
10F:→ Aggro : 的地方了 这次打不出来真的就没藉口 07/14 23:10
11F:推 liafree : 这次没有湖人跟尼克的问题 07/15 00:23
12F:→ liafree : 希望他能大展身手 07/15 00:23
13F:推 tanakabird : 胡子直指助攻王 07/15 01:25
14F:推 ghghfftjack : 至少活过四年这点随着本季落幕打破了其实 07/15 02:28
15F:推 kusami : 多了RA跟EG投进那该死的空档三分就好很多 07/15 06:40
16F:→ kusami : McHale超过四年啊 JBB代理哪算 07/15 06:41
17F:推 chenlansue : PUSH~~~~~~ 07/15 07:52
18F:→ chenlansue : JB就算冰箱的遗毒吧... 阿力没有季中换教练组 07/15 07:55
19F:推 Jormungandr : Acy 两年底薪 火箭怎麽不抢... 07/15 10:06
20F:→ JCrawford : 非strech4 而且早就满15人了... 07/15 10:11
21F:→ jc0209 : PF都爆满了怎麽会抢 07/15 10:20
22F:→ JCrawford : DH是白痴吗.. 又在到处放话.. 07/15 10:32
23F:推 nonavailable: Feigen难得出来靠北DH 07/15 10:40
24F:推 JALAL : 现在缺替补C吧 PF还是一样满出来 07/15 10:46
25F:→ IBIZA : 替补C就 Nene跟Dmo啊 07/15 11:09
26F:→ IBIZA : 真正缺的是替补PG, 老普说真的不能用 07/15 11:10
27F:推 shinn816 : 替补PG从自由球员中很难找了,估计只有看能不能交 07/15 12:41
28F:→ shinn816 : 易了,不过情感上觉得应该给老飞机一个位置 07/15 12:41
29F:→ shinn816 : 不过拿老普还蛮意外的! 07/15 12:41
30F:推 pantient : 签狗蛋应该就是不打算续老飞机了 07/15 13:01
31F:推 pantient : 还是蛮想要Larkin的 07/15 13:03
32F:推 Jormungandr : Acy可以顶Pf 10分钟 大概是我被去年吓怕了 07/15 13:39
33F:推 max660865 : Jordan Farmar not bad 07/15 14:02
34F:推 jc0209 : Dekker今天三分7中5 07/16 08:22
35F:推 chenlansue : 衷心希望dekker能顶上替补小前锋 重现cp当时情况逆 07/16 08:47
36F:→ chenlansue : 袭!! 07/16 08:47
37F:推 nonavailable: http://tinyurl.com/hqjugfo 对公鹿盒子 07/16 09:26
38F:→ nonavailable: 这队的罚球是被诅咒了吗,也是个5成命中率,都快被三 07/16 09:26
39F:→ nonavailable: 分球赶过去了.... 07/16 09:27
40F:推 kusami : 3分5/7 罚球0/2... 07/16 10:17
41F:→ IBIZA : 可以吃掉brewer时间就是很大助力了 07/16 10:25
42F:推 small2th : 推~ 07/16 17:35
43F:推 nonavailable: 看今年夏联的感觉,感觉我们真的选得不太好.... 07/20 13:14
44F:→ pantient : 我们今年的签本来就没有什麽好的顺位,要耐心等他 07/20 13:34
45F:→ pantient : 们成长。 07/20 13:34
46F:→ pantient : 你看去年选的harrell跟dekker也是到现在才有蜕变的 07/20 13:35
47F:→ pantient : 迹象啊 07/20 13:35
48F:→ IBIZA : 2轮签选不到能用的是正常 07/20 16:42
49F:推 jc0209 : 费根大叔说中国弩签3年 07/20 23:38
50F:→ IBIZA : 三年全额保障 WTF 07/21 00:32
51F:推 nonavailable: Jet不回来了,火箭应该不会提供合约 Q.Q 07/21 08:57
52F:→ IBIZA : 没有空间了啊 老普跟中国努这两个约我真的很不解.. 07/21 10:37
53F:推 nonavailable: 中国努那个是他不签两年的啊.... 07/21 11:01
54F:→ nonavailable: 这两年要复制Parsons那种血汗合约很难 07/21 11:02
55F:→ IBIZA : 以他拿出来的表现不签就算了啊 干嘛签三年保障 07/21 11:15
56F:→ IBIZA : Parsons不是血汗约... 他的合约每年6/30自动把次年 07/21 11:19
57F:→ IBIZA : 变完全保障, 他签的是比一般二轮秀好的合约 07/21 11:20
58F:推 nonavailable: 所以觉得今年选不好啊... 07/21 11:23
59F:→ nonavailable: 中国努的期望就是苦工,如果还要等很久就麻烦了 07/21 11:24
60F:→ IBIZA : 我查了一下, 今年二轮秀拿到三年保证约的只有两个人 07/21 11:25
61F:→ nonavailable: 那当初还不如把顺位换高一点,选到Ulis至少也有替补 07/21 11:25
62F:→ nonavailable: 控球了... 07/21 11:25
63F:→ IBIZA : 31顺位的Deyonta Davis跟46顺位的A. J. Hammons 07/21 11:26
64F:→ IBIZA : 其他就算拿到三年以上约, 也不是三年保障 07/21 11:26
65F:→ nonavailable: 湖人Zubac看起来也已经可以上替补... 07/21 11:26
66F:→ IBIZA : 我不懂为啥要给一下给三年保障.. 07/21 11:27
67F:→ IBIZA : 虽然说是小钱啦, 但是这会影响未来人力取舍的考量 07/21 11:30
68F:→ IBIZA : 像前年为什麽丢小黑留多西 07/21 11:30
69F:推 nonavailable: 一个证明自己以前没看错人的概念 07/21 11:45
70F:推 chenlansue : 多西唷 情和义~值千金~ 07/21 15:18
71F:→ chenlansue : 不过抓老普 不留JET 不知道考量是甚麽 07/21 15:19
72F:→ chenlansue : 只能猜是mda的控卫加成概念了 07/21 15:20
73F:→ pantient : 老飞机的功能完全和狗蛋重叠,不续留很正常 07/21 16:06
74F:→ pantient : 老普作为第三控卫的话当然可以,但火箭除了胡子以外 07/21 16:09
75F:→ pantient : 的playmaker是老普,这.......... 07/21 16:09
76F:→ pantient : 莫雷赶快抢larkin! 07/21 16:11
77F:→ IBIZA : 我是不在意留不留老飞机, 但名单空间都不够了, 还签 07/21 17:33
78F:→ IBIZA : 老普.... 07/21 17:33
79F:→ JCrawford : 肥顿被捡後 市场上也没啥人了 都一群不靠普的人 07/21 20:06
80F:→ JCrawford : 对於火箭本身战力影响也不大 就注定是走Nash单一 07/21 20:06
81F:→ JCrawford : 发动机路线 剩下的就靠球转移 打团队罗 07/21 20:07
82F:→ JCrawford : 捡老普就气氛正面一点吧 至少他打的是正确篮球 07/21 20:08
83F:→ JCrawford : 多一点人这麽打 也容易感染全队 07/21 20:08
84F:→ JCrawford : 上赛季有几个在场上各怀鬼胎 DH MT等等... 07/21 20:09
85F:推 pantient : 老普打第三PG的话很好啦,但等於胡子一下就没有靠 07/21 20:11
86F:→ pantient : 谱的playmaker 07/21 20:11
87F:→ JCrawford : 剩下那些人也都不是啥靠普playmaker 07/21 20:12
88F:→ JCrawford : 之所以没人要不是没有原因的 07/21 20:13
89F:→ JCrawford : 真的要靠普就要花钱买 07/21 20:13
90F:→ pantient : 虎扑那边好像在讲火箭对cba的bobby brown有兴趣 07/21 20:14
91F:→ pantient : 我个人比较期待shane larkin 07/21 20:15
92F:→ pantient : 他的上篮我真的超喜欢 07/21 20:16
93F:→ JCrawford : 不能只看高光 真相总是残酷的... 07/21 20:17
94F:→ pantient : 跳投看来是有一场没一场,但他的finish应该是真的 07/21 20:21
95F:→ pantient : 他好像只会打档拆,不过在MDA体系下没这个问题 07/21 20:22
96F:→ JCrawford : .... 07/21 20:23
97F:→ JCrawford : 他p&r 效率只比联盟26%的人好 07/21 20:24
98F:→ JCrawford : 这数据大概就跟PB Ariza差不多 07/21 20:24
99F:→ JCrawford : 上赛季的Ty打的鸟也是因为P&R效率很低 跟PB相差无几 07/21 20:25
100F:→ JCrawford : 不能只看高光啦 说实在我也没关注那麽多球员 07/21 20:26
101F:→ JCrawford : 但是我多少会查点数据稍微了解一下 07/21 20:27
102F:→ pantient : 你相信篮网的体系没问题吗,跟TY的情况还是有点差别 07/21 20:27
103F:→ pantient : 吧 07/21 20:27
104F:→ JCrawford : 在同一支球队 神奇杰克 P&R就打出高於联盟平均水平 07/21 20:28
105F:→ pantient : 他RPM是真的不好看我知道 07/21 20:28
106F:→ JCrawford : 所以这不能当理由 07/21 20:29
107F:→ JCrawford : 同样的也不能老是把MDA控卫加成当作理所当然 07/21 20:30
108F:→ JCrawford : 他只是比较注重拉空间 给予控卫更多自由 但是在火箭 07/21 20:31
109F:→ JCrawford : 控卫就是胡子 有自由的也是胡子 其他人没有 07/21 20:32
110F:→ JCrawford : 少了上场时间 少了自由度 控球权 MDA控卫加成概念 07/21 20:32
111F:→ JCrawford : 等於不复存在 07/21 20:32
112F:→ pantient : 我知道MDA体系需要聪明的playmaker 07/21 20:33
113F:→ pantient : 我现在害怕的是胡子下场休息时的问题 07/21 20:33
114F:→ pantient : 上上季战绩虽然好 西区第二 但胡子一下整个进攻就 07/21 20:35
115F:→ pantient : 死了 07/21 20:35
116F:→ JCrawford : 你该理解的是能fake穷人版胡子 让胡子上场时间能 07/21 20:35
117F:→ JALAL : 胡子休息 然後替补都一直得不了分吗 07/21 20:36
118F:→ JCrawford : 压在34mins以下 甚至胡子休战能顶上去的 07/21 20:36
119F:→ JCrawford : 至少15m以上 07/21 20:36
120F:→ JCrawford : 市面上这些人都达不到 07/21 20:36
121F:→ pantient : 我是觉得.....Larkin有一种灵性,这只是我个人的感 07/21 20:38
122F:→ pantient : 觉啦 07/21 20:38
123F:→ JCrawford : ... 07/21 20:38
124F:→ JALAL : 市面上还有舞王跟服务生吧 07/21 20:39
125F:→ JCrawford : 我最怕"灵性" 07/21 20:39
126F:→ JCrawford : 我说的是控卫这位置 07/21 20:39
127F:→ JCrawford : lance waiters恐怕也不是底薪能拿下 07/21 20:39
128F:→ pantient : 舞王完全不行吧,莫雷好像开始不碰这种人了 07/21 20:39
129F:→ pantient : 服务生连playmaker的边都没有 我说真的 他在OKC的 07/21 20:41
130F:→ pantient : 表现我一直都有在关注 07/21 20:41
131F:→ JCrawford : 其实这位置给新秀是最好的 07/21 20:42
132F:→ pantient : 看他开始运球我就怕 07/21 20:42
133F:→ JCrawford : 雷霆不也是这麽干 07/21 20:42
134F:→ JCrawford : 问题火箭就是不选後卫 07/21 20:42
135F:→ pantient : 虽然他在OKC变得很认份 态度真的很好 07/21 20:42
136F:→ JCrawford : 选个两个都不能打得.. 07/21 20:42
137F:→ JCrawford : 热火那只TJ也是自己从发展联盟拉上来的 07/21 20:43
138F:→ pantient : 我本来也期待小手套啊 谁知道他一下子就受伤了 07/21 20:45
139F:→ JCrawford : 我说的是非落选 07/21 20:46
140F:→ JCrawford : 这种落选开季要凑15人都有可能被砍掉 07/21 20:47
141F:→ pantient : 莫雷就不选啊 有什麽办法 07/21 20:47
142F:→ JCrawford : 活着希望不大 二轮秀选的才不会被砍 07/21 20:47
143F:→ pantient : 搞得我们要多找一个能控球的都那麽难找 07/21 20:48
144F:推 jc0209 : 说不定还在盼望4L明年来所以不选控卫新秀卡位? 07/21 22:16
145F:推 nonavailable: 没可能的,4L那个合约就表示他不想来了 07/21 22:49
146F:推 nonavailable: 试训了一堆,但最後没选,不知道是不是因为老毛病发作 07/21 22:53
147F:→ nonavailable: 看到周琦摔下来就先捡了 07/21 22:53
148F:推 jc0209 : 火箭跟Bobby Brown签训练营合约 07/24 09:41
149F:→ IBIZA : 老普要先发了吗?XD 08/03 10:47
150F:推 jc0209 : Larkin去西班牙了 08/10 22:57







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