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http://tinyurl.com/6ma3wpg Andre The Giant 巨人安德烈一世 *这是一个着名摔角选手的浑号 By Tom Sunnergren, on March 20th, 2012 A meditation on Philly’s most overpaid/underrated/surly/selfish/inscrutable/cowardly/polarizing athlete. Ever. 这是一篇反思, 有关於费城职业运动史上史上最为 .投资报酬率最不成比例的球员 .实力最被低估的球员 .脾气最乖戾暴躁的球员 .最自私的球员 (?)(XD) .最难以被理解的球员 .最胆小怕事的球员 (lol) .评价最两极化的球员 的终极反思。 For 8 years, Philadelphia fans have been trying to form a relationship with 76ers forward Andre Iguodala. For the most part, it’s been like trying to grab a fistful of water.”— Bob Cooney, Philadelphia Inquirer, Feb. 8, 2012 已经八年了。 这八年来,费城的球迷们总是试着理解并尝试对Iguodala表示友善。 但是这些努力最後总像是你妄想用手抓住水一样的徒劳无功。 -- Bob Cooney, Phily Inquirer 体育记者。 In recent weeks, as public opinion has tipped tentatively in his favor, TV color men have fallen into the habit of sharing this biographical nugget about Andre Iguodala: as a Bulls fan growing up in Springfield, Illinois, his favorite player wasn’ t Michael Jordan but Scottie Pippen. 最近几个礼拜下来, 当费城大众「目前」倾向於喜欢现在这个样子, 也是Iguodala比较感到舒服的状态。 Sportcaster们也就一而再再而三的拿他某个小故事出来讲: 一个在依利诺州治Springfield长大的小球迷, 他最喜欢的球员却不是「那个人」,而是Scottie Pippen. This is meant to be an instructive detail about Iguodala. The guy he idolized wasn’t the gravity-defying superstar, but his enabler; a blue-collar grinder who operated in the (comparative) trenches and relished not the big stage or the bright lights, but the thankless task. His hero, the player he patterned himself after, was a man who celebrated his greatest moments in the shadows of others. 这对於了解Iggy是个很重要的指标。 他喜欢的并不是大家常在十大好球上面看到以对抗地心引力为乐的超级巨星, 而是那个人背後的重要倚靠。 Pip相对於(仅仅是相对)一个大众意义上的超级巨星, 他宁愿扮演一个蓝领领袖,你总是很少在highlight reel里面找到他, 但是他总是愿意做好最吃力不讨好的脏活。 Iggy 心目中的英雄,同时也是他进入联盟之後时常被比较的对象, 就是个总是在他人的阴影之下默默握拳自我激励的人物。 It’s a window-into-the-soul type anecdote. A glimpse of something essential to a man who’s defied deconstruction. It explains everything. Except it isn’t true. Andre Iguodala’s favorite player was Michael Jordan. 这绝对是个了解一个像是Iguodala一样内心如此纠结的人物, 进入他心中灵魂翻找他扭曲人格的重要途径。 除非这传闻不实,Iggy喜欢的明明就是MJ23 (大误 “Can he be The Man in Philly? He doesn’t have a choice.” — Allen Iverson 你问我他能不能当一个真正费城英雄? 事实上他没有选择的权利。 -- Iverson Allen Iverson had a brilliant career in Philadelphia. Not necessarily a good one, but a brilliant one. He always took the last shot, and the first one, and most of the shots in between. He had heart. Grit. Gumption. Character. Drive. A will to win. Iverson在费城有一个极为华丽亮眼的球员生涯。 当然不一定是完美的,但是一定是华丽的。 他通常会选择掌握这场比赛第一波与最後一波的进攻, 甚至这中间的大部分出手也都被他包下了。 他有着满腔的热血、胆量、积极、自我、无限的驱动力量简单来说,就是他有毫不妥协的求胜欲望。 He almost never showed up on time for practice. He shot 40 percent from the floor. He once kicked his naked wife out of their home and hunted her down with a gun. He was the NBA’s leading scorer four times. 当然, 他还曾经在记者会跳针"Practice",当然也就不会准时到场。 他在场上只有40%的命中率。 他还曾经把他的老婆剥光赶出家门,然後又持枪「追捕」他。 当然,他还曾经是四度NBA得分王。 Andre Iguodala signed a six-year $80 million deal in August of 2008—20 months after Iverson was traded to the Denver Nuggets. The idea at the time was that Iguodala would become the standard bearer of the franchise. The standard being Allen Iverson. 在 Iverson 离开费城远走洛矶山脉大约两个球季後, 他拿到了一份六年80M的大合约。 当他拿到这份合约的时候,自然大家都认为他是应该有着「那个标准」的表现。 标准的名字就叫做 Allen Iverson。 “Iguodala was a 27 percent shooter from the college three-point line. He’s not going to be able to play.” —Dick Vitale Iggy 在大学时代三分命中率只有 27%。你确定他能打吗? - 前 NBA 教练,现 ESPN 球评 Dickk Vitale Andre Iguodala is a well-rounded basketball player. Insofar as he can be said to have a genius for the sport, this versatility is it. He’s a stalwart defender, an efficient scorer, he accumulates assists, rebounds, and steals at rates higher than his positional average and even does—considering his active defense—an unusually impressive job of avoiding fouls. So in almost every facet of the game, he helps his team. Almost. Iggy 是个拥有十八般武艺的超全能球员。 (大概像是这样吧 lol http://tinyurl.com/7o3qgff ) <- 超建议点阅 你甚至可以说他是个天才运动员,他真的什麽都会。 他是个可怕的防守专家,一个有效率的得分者, 他的 Ast% Reb% Stl% 全部都高於他所在的三号位置平均一大截。 更可怕的是,考虑到他在防守上的坚持, 他避免犯规的能力真是他妈的令人印象深刻。 你几乎可以说,他在所有的面相都在帮助球队。 (停顿) 几乎啦。 Iguodala, for all his many talents, is not a great shooter. Over his past five full seasons, he’s shot 33.2, 35.9, 33.4, 34.5, and 33.9 percent on field goal attempts that haven’t come at the rim. For his career, he’s a sub-average shooter from each discrete location on the floor, save those attempts that come at point blank range. Without wading any more deeply into the numbers, let’s leave it at this: if someone wanted to charge him with being a flawed offensive player, they would have plenty of evidence to prosecute the case. 以Iggy的天份来看,他并不是一个好的射手。 在他过去的五个球季,扣掉篮下的命中率是: 33.2, 35.9, 33.4, 34.5, 33.9。 换句话说:扣掉在篮框附近,也就是扣掉快攻得分与off-dribbling 他在场上的自行取分能力与投篮命中率毫无疑问低於联盟平均。 在引述更多的负面数据之前,我想我们可以先停下来了, 这边有个结论: 如果你想当个称职的howsiao, 你绝对有一拖拉库的理由证明自己是对得。 “We don’t have a so-called superstar. I think we do, but you know, [critics] say we don’t have a so-called superstar.”— Andre Iguodala, Feb. 6, 2012 我们没有一般意义上的 Superstar。 我的确认为我们有个超级巨星, 但是大家都是这麽认为,我们没有。 -- Andre Iguodala Teams follow their best player. If you’re a rookie, the guy you look up to, you emulate, is usually the one who’s regarded as the top player on your team. That’s uncontroversial. “It makes my job a heck of a lot easier when my best player is my hardest worker,” is a line approximately 97 percent of coaches have tossed off at some point. But while players follow their leader, it’s often to a place they were headed anyway—like the basket. 我们知道,球队里面的那个人举手投足都会被其他球员效法。 如果你是个菜鸟,你仿效的对象一定是球队当中的领袖人物, 这是绝对毫无疑问的。 几乎97%的总教练都同意: 如果我球队中的那个人总是毫无保留的牺牲奉献,辛勤工作以树立标竿, 那我的工作会变得非常轻松。 但是当球员们盲目的追随他们的领袖, 总是会有些副作用(没有没副作用的药,你说是吧), 比方说得分。 Every player wants numbers, and most nearly all of them play with sufficient offensive hustle to collect the points, assists, o-boards, and various statistical goodies that ensure they’ll be paid well enough to never have another cousin go without a Droid. But a player isn’t necessarily inclined to play rabid defense. Despite the enormous impact it has on who wins and losses, we can’t measure individual D with any reliability and so can’t incentivize it in the traditional way —with money. 所有的球员都在追求个人数据, 几乎所有的球员都愿意全心全意投入进攻端洗他们的boxscore, 比方说得分、助攻、进攻篮板等等各式各样看起来很酷的数据, 来确定他们不会连买个高级手机送表哥的钱都没有。 从另外一个面向看,尽管防守端的表现对於比赛的结果同样意义重大, 但是不是每个球员都愿意在防守端秉持相同的积极态度。 原因是:到目前为止并没有客观且简单明确的指标来评断每个人的防守, 那就没办法用传统的方式,也就是$$$$$来激励球员们在防守端下功夫。 There’s a solution, though, to the defense problem, a way to encourage players to expend effort on an aspect of the game that won’t get them paid but will help their team win: employ as your top player, your object of emulation, someone who defends his man like it’s life and death. The Sixers are the top defensive team in the NBA. 当然,路是人走出来的,所有的证明题都有解答。 球队有个不需要多出支票就能够让所有球员在防守端尽心努力, 进而帮助球队赢球的解决方案: 当你的球队第一人,众球员的领袖, 本身就愿意身先士卒,用生命来扞卫防守端,直到倒地不起为止。 七六人就是这样的一支球队, 他们毫无疑问是 NBA 最好的防守团队。 “When he signed that deal, he should have rolled up the paper it was printed on and let everyone in the area whack him over the head with it.”—John Gonzales, CSNPhilly, Feb. 14, 2012 他是应该把合约书卷起来,交给费城的球迷们, 好让他们用合约书毒打他的头。 -- John Gonzales, CSN Philly Imagine this: you’re an employee of a major corporation, and you do well, and are paid handsomely, and, prima facie, everything about your professional situation looks fine. The problem though is this: most of your company’s shareholders believe you’re wildly overpaid when you are in fact, despite your sizable paychecks, underpaid relative to the value you provide. 好吧,来个情境想像: 你在一个大公司里面担任职员, 你真的干得很不错,你也拿到了明显高於 22K 的薪水, 看起来好像一切都很不错。 但是最大的问题在於: 这家公司的股东总是坚持你拿太多了, 你的贡献事实上不值得你的薪水; 但是事实是,公司给你的薪水很明显低於你创造的价值。 So everyday, or near it, you hear criticism in the media about your pay and are more or less roundly lambasted by everyone with an opinion on the subject. All parties agree that you are, on balance, at least a competent employee, but the consensus is that you’re nevertheless paid much more than you are worth to the company, and so are to blame for any failures the firm has recently suffered—i.e. the “problem” with the company is that it’s spending a huge sum of money on you that could be spent, smarter, elsewhere. How would you feel about this? How would you feel about your critics? 每天你都可以听到媒体对你拿到的钱说三道四, 并且对於围绕在你周围指责你高薪低就的批评表示困惑与不舒服。 共识是:你真的是个他妈优秀的员工。 但是纠结的点在於:他们认为你领得钱跟你的表现有所落差。 因此,只要公司最近不太顺利,就把气出在你身上。 所以问题根本就不应该责难这个六年拿80M的可怜朋友, 就算公司不对劲,那也是因为,当初他们有机会把这80M花得更精明。 再一次: 如果这个人是你, 你周遭都是这种该死的声音,你会做何感想? “When you’re in Hollywood and you’re a comedian, everybody wants you to do things besides comedy. They say, ‘OK, you’re a stand-up comedian—can you act? Can you write? Write us a script?’ It’s as though if I were a cook and I worked my ass off to become a good cook, they said, ‘All right, you’re a cook—can you farm?’”—Mitch Hedberg 当你在好莱坞,而你是个喜剧演员, 但是每个人都希望你除了演喜剧之外要会点其他东西。 他们如是说: 「对,你真的是个喜剧泰斗,那你会演戏吗?你会写剧本吗? 来个剧本瞧瞧阿?」 就算你是个厨师,而且你跟阿基师一样勤奋努力, 那他们还是会嫌弃你: 「嘿,你真的很会烧菜,那你会种田吗?」 -- Mitch Hedberg Andre Iguodala didn’t really figure it out until he went to Turkey. 在Iggy去土耳其打世界锦标赛之前, 他总是没有想通(被所有人埋怨)的这个问题。 After a few post-Iverson seasons of forced shots, the metaphoric jamming of a square peg into a round hole, and the literal jamming of a small round thing into a distant round hole, in that 2010 FIBA tournament, he had a sort of epiphany: rather than squander his energy on the areas of the game that he was least likely to impact, why not narrow his focus to those that he could? 在後 Iverson 时代,这可怜人被迫多出手。 表面上:这可能只是强迫一个平常不喜欢出手进攻的人改变意志(不得其所) 事实上:他的比赛风格根本不是长这样,你何必勉强他? 2010年世锦赛他终於理解了一件事情: 与其把精力留在解决不属於他的问题, 为何不让他作个真正的 Andre Iguodala,作他真的能够做得很好的事情? race around the court wreaking havoc defensively and in transition, demonstrating his excellence by denying opponents theirs. Krzyzewski, it turns out, had given Iguodala permission to be Iguodala. It worked, both as basketball and philosophy. The team won nine straight on their way to the gold and Iguodala was, in some circles, the talk of the tournament. 所以他就这麽做了,不再专注进攻, 而努力在防守端与Transition证明自己的影响力, 并且用锁住他的对手体现自己的卓越。 Coach K 也允许 Iggy 毫无保留的作自己。 这个尝试非常成功,无论是比赛内容中,还是在篮球哲学的层面上。 当美国队9连胜拿到金牌之後, 所有对他有所质疑的人终於开始注意那些他真的做的很好的事情上面。 That following season, when Doug Collins took over the Sixers, he pulled his best player aside and asked him to continue playing the way he had that summer. The player obliged him. And so this old/new approach to the game—taking scoring opportunities as they come, not forcing them when they don’t, the wisdom to know the difference, became fully his. In ‘10’- ’11, Iguodala attempted only 11.3 shots a game after averaging 14.4 the previous three seasons. He had the lowest usage rate of his career. He attempted 2.7 three-pointers a game after firing 3.7 the year before. And a season after winning 27 games, Philadelphia closed 38-28. 从土耳其回来之後, 当 Doug Collins 接掌七六人,他告诉他的主力战将继续作自己, 一切就跟在夏天一样。 Iggy 对此表示感激,而这种看起来新潮但却是Iggy旧有风格体现的球风: 当机会来临才出手,而不勉强为之, 并且正确理解「合理」与「勉强」的差距。 10-11球季,Iggy平均出手次数从过去三季平均 14.4 降到 11.3。 他的 Usage% 降到他的生涯最低,甚至他的三分出手也砍了整整一次。 这些改变的成果体现在战绩上面, 在一个糟糕的 27 胜球季後,七六人去年最後以 38-28 收尾。 “He may be the most overpaid player in the NBA. He takes dumb shots, he thinks he is great and he needs to just leave this team. I’m so sick and tired of this guy.” —Philly Sports Central, Dec. 19, 2010 他也许是 NBA 最高薪低就的球员了。 他的出手鸟爆了,而他却认为自己是个卓越先生。 他需要做的是离开这个球队,我已经厌倦他了。 -- Philly Sports Central 50 wins is the generally accepted threshold for NBA legitimacy. It’s the minimum regular season success rate a team needs to achieve to convince its fans it can contend, that it’s deserving of their scarcest resource: attention. At the end of this season, the 76ers will have won more than 50 games once in the past 22 years. 50胜一向都是一个标准。 这个标准有关他可以向他的球迷证明他们是个冠军的竞争候选。 只有当这个球队拿下五十胜,他们才有资格证明他们真的有能力作到这个任务: 让球迷回到球场关注这个球队。 在下个球季,他们终於有机会在二十二年之後重新回到五十胜级球队。 In the four full seasons they’ve played since trading Allen Iverson and making Iguodala the de facto franchise player, they ’ve won 40, 41, 27, and 41. Philadelphia’s four professional sports franchises have won one championship in the last 29 years. 在後 AI 时代的七六人的四个完整球季, 也就是Iggy正式领军的四个球季当中,七六人的胜场分别是: 40, 41, 27, 41 (五成魂) 在83'年Moses Malone与Julius Erving带领七六人拿到冠军之後, 费城的四大运动只有Phillies拿过冠军。 “It certainly wasn’t Iguodala’s fault the Sixers decided to wildly overpay him.”—Bob Ford, Philadelphia Inquirer, Feb. 26, 2012 拿了这些钱显然不是 Iguodala 的错。 决定给他这些钱并不是 Iggy 所能控制的。 -- Bob Ford, Philly Inquirer > 下面这段有关胜场价值的部份我不能苟同,有兴趣自己看吧。 The approximate cost of a win in the NBA is something a clever ten-year-old with a pencil and some patience can calculate. You take the total dollars that all of the league’s teams paid out that season in player salaries, and divide that figure by the total number of victories the teams accumulated in that season. Wins are more valuable for teams on the cusp of contention, and less so for lottery teams, but this arithmetic provides a solid baseline measure. It tells us the cost of a win in the NBA swung from $1.347 million in 2005 to $1.755 million in 2008, before falling back to $1.711 million last season. The amount of wins an individual player produces is also a calculable, but controversial, statistic, and coupled with the cost of a win, it can give us a picture of an individual player ’s value to an average team. Iguodala is now into the fourth season of a six-year $80 million dollar contract. Entering 2012, he’d been paid $35.8 million of the deal. In that time he’s produced $66.5 million worth of wins for the Sixers. This season, by measure of wins produced, he’s been the fourth best player in the NBA. “I think when we win, he will get more respect.”—Tony Dileo, April 21, 2009 我想,当我们开始赢球,他会得到他应有的尊敬。 -- Tony Dileo, Sixers GM, former head coach Following a one-point loss to the Clippers in February, I asked Evan Turner, a rising player with a skill-set broadly similar to Iguodala’s, for his take on his teammate’s inclusion in the All-Star Game. Did he read it as an affirmation that the way he played the game, the way Iguodala played the game, was every bit as valuable as the brand of basketball a Joe Johnson, Carmelo Anthony, or Dwayne Wade played—did he feel vindicated? 在对上快艇一分差的艰难比赛之後, 我对一个跟 AI9 真他妈像的新锐球员Evan Turner聊天, 问他有关於在新秀挑战赛当中他有如Cosplay Iggy的表现有何看法。 他选择这样的打球方法是不是代表着他对 Iggy-Style 的肯定呢? 甚至是否他对於 Iggy 的风格所代表的卓越价值 -- 这价值不输 Joe Johnson, Melo, D-Wade 等人在球场所创造的 有所理解与体认呢? “You’re a guy who doesn’t necessarily score a lot of points, ” I offered, “but you do a lot of the other less celebrated things well. You rebound, you take pride in your defense, you’ ve got a solid handle and good floor vision and…” The second-year guard cut me off. “I can score,” Turner insisted. “Who said I couldn’t score? 「你不一定必须拿这麽多分, 但是你可以把一些在镁光灯照射范围之外的事情做得很好。 你可以抢篮板,你可以防守,你还能倚靠优秀的视野在场上控球, 还能....」 小坏蛋立马把我打断。 Turner: 「我可以得分,哪个人说我不能得分的?」 --



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