作者willyt (ㄌㄔ2015 世界一流)
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标题[外电] Rod Thorn 策动四方交易之关键内幕
时间Sun Aug 12 22:03:14 2012
How Thorn, Sixers landed the biggest prize
August 11, 2012, 9:00 am
Thorn改当重量级铁路大亨,策动四方会车各奔东西
成功引进A列车,背後辛酸谁人知?
John Finger, CSN Philly
http://tinyurl.com/bwbhzrl
About a month ago, Sixers’ president Rod Thorn dialed up
Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan with a trade
proposition. Would the Magic be interested in trading Dwight
Howard to the 76ers?
Now before anyone falls all over themselves about the idea
that the Sixers were actually talking about a trade for
Howard, the most talented center in the league as well as the
most coveted free agent to hit the market next summer, take a
breath and a pause. The Sixers were never (ever) close to
making a deal for Howard.
大概一个月之前,
篮球事务总管 Rod Thorn 开始播电话给魔术新官上任的GM海尼根,
提出一些交易的草案。
鸠静!七六人是不是对忠诚兽有兴趣呢?
但是事实上,早在七六人对Howard"感到真正的兴趣"的风声之前,
七六人就以机确定得不到忠诚兽了,
他们离忠诚兽有那~麽远的距离。
But for Thorn, broker of hundreds of deals in his five decades
as an executive in the NBA, the inquiry with Orlando on Howard
was simply a foot in the door. Thorn knew that Howard wanted
to go to Brooklyn or Los Angeles and if the Sixers could wedge
themselves into the mix, the chances of coming away with a
pretty big prize in the end were strong.
But first Thorn needed a way in.
但,对於生涯当中付出在篮球管理职务五十年,
策动过无数交易的 Rod Thron 来说,
用 Howard 当幌子只是他加入交易的前置作业而已。
他很明显知道 Howard 只想要去 Brooklyn 或 LA,
但是只要有机会把这个场子搞成多方交易,
机会将会在多方悄悄打打当中出现,并且得到具大的回报。
不过首先 Thorn 需要先把酒宴的门票搞到手。
“We had approached Orlando about a month ago probably that we
would have some interest in Howard if they saw anything with
us that might look good to them,” Thorn said during a
telephone call on Friday afternoon. “That’s probably about
the time it started. We’ve had different conversations with
them and LA over the last three weeks, and talking about
different things. Bynum came into the conversation with us at
that time. It took some time. It didn’t get out over the
course of a lot of conversations. It just didn’t happen
overnight.
Thorn:
在一个月之前,我用对 Howard 有兴趣当理由加入他们的对话,
并且希望他们有任何想法可以即时沟通,
这大概是我加入这个小圈圈的第一步,以维持同样畅通的消息管道。
在过去的三个礼拜当中我跟 LA 与 Magic 有着各式各样的意见交换。
Bynum直到这个阶段才开始进入讨论的范围,
我等待这个机会等了好一段时间。
Bynum 在各式的沟通与草案当中一直都没有被下架,
只是事情一直都没有真正发生。
“I’m sure we weren’t the only ones that had expressed
interest to Orlando regarding Howard. We weren’t one of his
designated cities. Then, we had conversations after that.
Then, (Andrew) Bynum’s name came up so we pursued that aspect.
”
我确定我们不是唯一一个对魔术释放出对忠诚兽兴趣的球队,
但是我们并不是他指定想去的城市。
不过我们持续在展现兴趣之後持续与魔术沟通,
而当 Bynum 的名字出现之後,我们就当仁不让的表现了强烈的企图心
Still, it was a tough deal for Thorn and the Sixers to broker.
To begin with, the Sixers were maxed out and right up against
the salary cap after a plethora of off-season moves in which
they acquired Dorell Wright, Nick Young and Kwame Brown,
re-signed Spencer Hawes and Lavoy Allen, and drafted Maurice
Harkless and Arnett Moultrie. The Sixers had, thought Thorn,
acquired enough assets in the off-season that they could swing
a deal as long as they didn’t take on more salary.
尽管如此,在身为一个中间策动者的七六人与Thorn来说,
这过程是相当艰难的。
要搞定这一切,他们付出了很大的代价,
在Rod Thorn的想法当中,
七六人必需要用掉大部分从 Elton Brand 特赦中获得的宝贵薪资空间,
去累积足够的资产与筹码作为拼图,因此他们从勇士盘来 Dorell Wright,
签下 Nick Young 与 Kwame Brown,
替 Spencer Hawes 与 Lavoy Allen 续约,
选秀多搞一个一轮签,以便保证同时选到 Moe Harkless 跟 Arnett Moultrie。
So when Bynum’s name came up in the discussions with the
Lakers and Magic, Thorn jumped. If there is one type of player
that the Sixers have been missing for a long time, it’s been
a big man who could control the paint. With Bynum, Thorn knew
there wouldn’t be a second chance.
所以当 Bynum 的名字出现在湖人与魔术的讨论当中时,
Thorn 毅然决然的跳进坑里面。
如果你说七六人在多年来缺乏了什麽样的球员,
那一定是一个能够完全主宰内线的大个子。
在 Bynum 的case当中,Thorn知道他可能没有再一次的机会了。
“If you have assets, then when these things come around –
and they don’t come around very often when you have a chance
to get a player like Bynum,” Thorn said. “And if you have
assets, you have a chance to be in the ballgame. If you don’
t, you have no chance.”
Thorn:
当你有着各式的资产可以作为筹码,
而当这样难得的机会出现的时候(像是能够得到Bynum)
那才有办法在这样赛局当中取得话语权,
如果你没有这些不同的选项,那你就只能一边吃土。
Interestingly, the player that gave the Sixers the best chance
to get Bynum wasn’t All-Star and Olympian, Andre Iguodala,
whose salary best matched up with Bynum’s. No, instead the
key player in the deal was the No. 15 pick in last June’s
draft, Harkless.
If Harkless wasn’t in the deal, then Orlando was out. And if
Orlando was out, Howard wasn’t going to the Lakers and Bynum
wasn’t headed to Philly. Yes, it came down to 19-year old
Harkless, who was a senior in high school two summers ago.
一切最有趣的事情是,
Thorn策动这个神奇交易的关键,
并不是他持有的全明星兼奥林匹亚人 Andre Iguodala,
虽然他的确是平衡薪资与战力的最主要成份。
但是最重要的关键是今年第十五顺位七六人选中的极潜力新秀Moe Harkless。
如果Harkless不在包裹当中,那魔术一定不愿意交易。
如果 Orlando 抽腿,那 Howard 将永远不可能披上紫金圣衣,
电车男孩也不会空降费城。
对,你没有看错,关键在於两年前还是高中大男孩的Harkless。
“A key part of this deal was Harkless because Orlando thinks
very highly of him as we do, too. He was key. If we didn’t
have him, we wouldn’t have been able to make this deal,”
Thorn explained. “It’s imperative in this league and pro
sports to have as many assets as you can and use those assets
to help the team get better. I was loathed to include him in
it. When you look at the bottom line, you’ve got to give up
something to get something. If we didn’t include Harkless in
this deal, we wouldn’t have been able to do this deal. We
know Harkless is going to be a very good player, but Bynum
already is.”
Thorn:
最大的关键在於 Harkless。
原因在於魔术与我们一样对 Harkless 有着很高的期待。
如果我们没有选中他,那这个交易将永远不会发生(按:这边是肯定费城的球探)
当你在职业运动的圈子当中要发动交易的时候,
你手上的商品选项要够多,才能够有办法靠交易让球队变得更好。
老实说,我可以告诉你我非常不情愿将 Harkless 放入包裹。
看看魔术的底线,如果你不付出,那你将不会得到回报。
只要不放入Harkless,那这交易将不会成交,
但尽管不甘心不情愿,重点还是我们相信Harkless未来将会是一个极为优秀的球员,
但是Bynum已经是了。
The Sixers also sent Nik Vucevic and a protected first-round
pick to the Magic, but they got back a veteran shooter in
Jason Richardson. Though Richardson will be a key component to
the Sixers this season, the deal was all about one man for the
Sixers …
Andrew Bynum.
这交易还将 Nikola Vucevic 跟一个未来的第一轮送给了魔术,
但是他们拿回了一个资深射手 Jason Richardson,
虽然普遍认为 Richardson 将会有着一定程度的影响,
但是这个交易重点还是在那个人, A-Train, Andrew Bynum.
Of course there remain several issues regarding Bynum and his
future with the 76ers. He is a free agent when the season ends
and previously he had expressed an interest only in re-signing
with the Lakers. However, Thorn believes that as soon as Bynum
gets to Philadelphia and spends time with coach Doug Collins
and his new teammates, that the Sixers will have a great
chance to re-sign him.
Besides, the Sixers will be able to offer more years and money
than any other team.
当然七六人在未来这年还有一些有关Bynum的问题必需要处理,
像是续约与未来。
他的约将会在这个球季结束後到期,
而他之前只表达与湖人签下 extension 的兴趣。
无论如何,Thorn有着满满的信心,
当Bynum见过Doug Collins与他的队友时,
将会加深他留下来继续打拼的意志。
至少,七六人还有Bynum的鸟权,
可以给出其他队伍给不出的薪资规模与合约长度。
“Our feeling is we will have a very good chance to sign Bynum
for several reasons. Firstly, I’ve had a conversation with
him. He’s very happy about getting traded to us. He thinks we
have a good team and he’s very happy about it,” Thorn said.
“He’s from New Jersey, he’s more an East Coast guy than a
West Coast guy. You never know. Our feeling is he’ll like it
here and he’ll want to continue his career here.”
Meanwhile, there is that one center the Sixers didn’t get,
the one who gave the team a chance to get a foot in the door.
Thorn:
我们的想法是我们有着绝佳的机会跟Bynum签下长约。
首先,我本人早已在交易当下跟Bynum有过沟通,
他言谈之间对於被交易到费城的兴奋之情毫无掩饰。
他认为七六人有着优秀的团队,并且他对此感到兴致高昂。
而且他是在纽泽西出生的,
比起西岸的花花绿绿,他对东岸应该更加的舒适。
虽然不能准确的预测未来,但是我们的感觉是:
很很开心来到这里并且准备好要在这里延续他的职业生涯。
此时,七六人终於有了个之前他们一直没有机会拥有的中锋,
一个能够给费城拥有内线主宰力量的顶尖中流砥柱。
Did the Sixers ever really have a serious chance to get Dwight
Howard?
“We were never, ever close to anything regarding him at all,”
Thorn said. “It was just, we have an interest and if there’
s anything you see that you might be interested in, please
give us a call.
“That never really got off the ground at all.”
No matter. The Sixers got what they wanted either way.
至於回到交易的另外一个主角,
七六人是否从头到尾有着任何拿到Dwight Howard的可能?
Thorn:
我们完全没有任何机会可以得到他。
我们只是对他表示了基本款的兴趣,
而如果他对我们有兴趣,也许他应该请他自己打个电话过来。
对於Dwight,我们从头到尾八字连半撇都没有。
不过这不重要了,七六人已经拿到了他们梦寐以求的回报
。
结论:
1) 策动交易的是 Rod Thorn, 不是 Mitch Kupchak
就湖人手上所能供给的资产部位要独立交易到 Howard 是不可能的。
2) Rob Hennigan 对於拼图很有兴趣,尤其是潜力,
他不想收进Veteran,尤其是不好脱手或不可能在可见的未来留在奥兰多的。
3) 之所以 Rod Thorn 在选秀多选了 Arnett Moultrie,
并且选上 Moe Harkless,就是为了要让自己手上的资产部位选择更加完整
增加交易机会一旦出现时成交的可能性
因此 Spence, Lavoy, Dorell, Nick Young 等人都是为了各种可能而先行准备的
(给球探部门跟养成部门一点credit吧,七六人出品大家用过都说赞)
4) 因此之前 Doug 说要帮 Iguodala 找个下家
这个逻辑应该是先建立在魔术不肯收下 Bynum 甚至 Iguodala 的前提上
因此最後当对於侧翼防守与真正的 Top Veteran 有迫切需求的金块出现的时候
交易瞬间就完成了,就twitter上消息的传播速度来看,
当金块一加入,确认金块输出给魔术的资产部位後,
交易就马上成交了。
5) Bynum 本人与 Rod Thorn 早已有所沟通,
而非像某些不负责的消息来源表示的七六人制服组不闻不问,
且七六人教练 Doug Collins 尚未归国,想必真正出来公开表示意见,
必须等伦敦奥运 Doug Collins 所负责的 NBC 的转拨工作结束之後
才会开始处理
6) 另外一篇外电,Doug 表示当交易还没 Official 之前
他没办法跟 Iguodala 透漏太多,
但是当交易一完成的时候,他正在播出西班牙与俄罗斯的四强赛
他在中场休息的时候收到他的儿子,Coach K的特别助理,Duke首席助理教练
Chris Collins 就已经跟 Doug 表示 Dre 很好(参看Hanway那篇外电)
另外就其他媒体记者的观察,
Doug 在对阿根廷赛前美国队练球时已经初步跟 Iguodala 交换意见
祝福他一切都好。
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※ willyt:转录至看板 Orl-Magic 08/12 23:07
1F:推 bfetter: 08/12 23:20
2F:推 garenas0:费城上一个有主宰力的中锋是谁? 08/12 23:36
3F:→ willyt:Moses Malone. 08/12 23:37
4F:→ willyt:敢呛明季後赛要"fo, fo, fo"的唯一一人 08/12 23:37
5F:→ garenas0:好像要追朔到Iverson时期了... 08/12 23:38
6F:→ willyt:(虽然最後变成 "fo, fi, fo" XD) 08/12 23:38
7F:→ willyt:Iverson时期只有防守中锋阿,即便是 Dikembe Mutombo 08/12 23:38
8F:→ willyt:都是生涯开始衰老了 08/12 23:38
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10F:→ willyt:除非你把打伤Shaq当作是一种主宰力....(Matt Geiger: ...) 08/12 23:39
11F:→ garenas0:难怪Rod Thron这麽兴奋XD 08/12 23:40
12F:推 momofishj:心里还在默哀Iggy不在的日子 却也开始期待新球季了@@ 08/12 23:48
13F:推 bfetter:开幕战就够高潮了 08/13 00:15
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18F:推 DarkChilles:好中锋难捡又难养,要动到一哥也是难免 08/13 08:39
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20F:推 hanway:开幕战turner恐怕会被守死 +1 但bynum要打爆Mcgee! 08/13 11:00
21F:推 AhUtopian:却是一开始对於76人跟金块到底怎样进入这个交易局面 08/13 12:11
22F:→ AhUtopian:非常的好奇 看完这篇外电之後 也许Nash加入 湖人 08/13 12:13
23F:→ AhUtopian:让湖人在双塔之间选择了送出Bynum 也是加强Thorn加入 08/13 12:13
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