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标题[DT]Peace, Love and Thunderstanding: The Jeff Green Conundrum
时间Fri Dec 18 12:44:50 2009
原文连结:
http://tinyurl.com/ygpzh5x
Peace, Love and Thunderstanding: The Jeff Green Conundrum
It has come to my attention over the past few weeks that the most
controversial player on the Thunder roster is the one least likely to stir up
controversy.
我注意到过去几个礼拜以来,雷霆某个球员引起了争议。
Drafted in 2007 with the 5th overall pick acquired from Boston in the Ray
Allen trade, Jeff Green was an afterthought to Sonics fans excited by the
selection of Kevin Durant about fifteen minutes prior. Of course, much of
the reason Sam Presti tabbed 「Uncle Jeff」 (as his teammates have been known
to refer to him) with the second draft choice of his general managing career
had everything to do with Green being satisfied with playing second fiddle.
The draft was just a warm-up for him.
2007年第5顺位(因Allen交易案Boston给的)选来的Jeff Green,是在Sonic选进KD之後15
分钟,球迷还在为选到KD兴奋的时候,选的「另外一个人」。当然,GM Sam Presti基於
许多原因才会选他(当时KD可是比他有名太多)。对Sam Presti而言,这个选秀不过是他GM
生涯中第二次选秀,他做了一切能作的事,希望Green可以满足於球队第二人的角色。这
次选秀对他而言只是场热身。
Every successful superstar in the NBA seems to need a less heralded companion
who does all the dirty work while they make the headlines. Bill Russell had
Bob Cousy. Tim Duncan has had Manu Ginobili. Kareem had Magic (then vice
versa). Oh, and some guy named Michael Jordan used to play with this Scottie
Pippen person.
当每个成功的NBA超级巨星上了报纸头版的时候,似乎都至少需要提到他有一个做了所有
脏活的夥伴。Bussell有Cousy,Duncan有Manu,Jaba有Magic Johnson(反之亦然)。喔,
有个叫做Michael Jordan的总是跟Scottie Pippen一起打球。
Scottie Pippen is the gold standard for side kicks. When the 1990’s Bulls
won six championships in eight years, Pippen did such an amazing job of being
unassuming that everyone assumed he was unambitious. While Michael Jordan
won scoring title after scoring title and built a multi billion dollar
persona, Pippen simply reduced the pressure from Jordan on the floor and
shouldered the fan’s blame when the team failed.
Scottie Pippen是最标准的第二人。当90年代全盛的公牛队8年拿下6个冠军时,Pippen做
了许多令人难以置信却又不显眼的事情让每个人都认为Pippen是个谦逊的球员。当MJ赢得
一个又一个得分王,年薪一年比一年高的时候,Pippen在球场上显得很轻易的减少了从MJ
那边来的压力,而当球队输球,他会默默承受球迷的批评。
The Thunder hope that Jeff Green develops into a Scottie Pippen type of
player. Not just in his approach to professionalism, which I would argue he
already does perfectly, but also his production on the floor. For his career
he averaged 16 points per game, but during Chicago’s glory days, he always
hovered near twenty as the second option in their offense.
雷霆也希望Jeff Green可以变成像Scottie Pippen那样的球员。不仅仅是因为他们有着相
似的工作态度(作者觉得他的工作态度已经非常完美),而且他们打球的绩效也是非常相似
。Pipprn生涯的得分是16分,但在公牛队的全盛期,他虽然是二号进攻选择,但他的平均
得分总有20分。
Looking at the two players’ third year stats, they are actually pretty
close. Green is averaging 14.7 to Pippen’s 16.5 points, and in rebounds
Pippen led 6.5 to 6.1. So, while Green could still improve upon or drop some
in the last three-quarters of this season, he is not completely off pace.
比较一下这两个球员在生涯第三年的数据,真的很接近。Green平均得分14.7,Pippen则
是16.5,Pippen平均篮板6.5则比Green的6.1稍微多一点。所以,如果Green之後可以持续
进步或他剩下的3/4个球季能够多得几分的话,他的数据不会输给Pippen。
You would not get that if you listen to the vocal detractors that are
spawning. As the Thunder have enjoyed more and more success, some of the
fans have been willing to give less and less of the credit to the team’s
co-captain. Listening to the litany of complaints about Green–he’s
inconsitent, too small, unworthy of starting, and a defensive liability–it’
s sometimes forgotten that he’s the second best player on a team with
playoff aspirations.
如果大家听到最近出现的批评声,是不会得到上面的结论的。当最近雷霆战绩不错,拿下
不少胜利的时候,有些球迷对於Green,球队的共同队长的耐心却是越来越少。听听这些
冗长的抱怨声-Green太软、不够壮、没有先发价值、防守会被打点-有时他们忘记了
Green是球队第二好的球员,也是球队想打入季後赛重要的一环。
Of all the criticisms I hear about Green, the one I take most exception to,
and what most of the other complaints stem from, is the implication that he
isn’t a power forward. My response to that is: What is a power forward?
我听到所有关於Green的批评之中,有一个是我最不能同意的,这个论点会衍生出大部分
对Green的批评。这个论点就是:他不是个大前锋。我的回应是:何谓大前锋?
Is a power forward a guy who dominates the glass, like Dennis Rodman, or a
scorer, like Zach Randolph? And if he is a scorer, does a power forward post
up like Karl Malone, or play on the perimeter like Dirk Nowitzki? Does a
four need to be seven-feet tall, like Tim Duncan, or can he be 6′6〞 (on a
good day) like Charles Barkley. And is a power forward thick, like Tractor
Traylor, or rail-thin, like Kevin Garnett?
大前锋是否要篮板很厉害,像小虫一样,或是像Zach Randolph那样的得分手吗?那得分
方式要像Karl Malone一样,低位一流还是像Dirk一样外线出色?大前锋一定要7尺高像
Duncan一样,还是跟Sir Barkley差不多高(官方说法:6尺6寸)就好了?大前锋要很厚像
Tractor Traylor (Robert Traylor,Tractor是绰号:拖拉机,身高6尺8,体重284磅),
还是跟KG一样瘦长比较好?
The truth is, all of those guys play (or played) the same position despite
drastic differences. There is no proto-type to being a power forward, but
the people who write Jeff Green off as not fitting that position all seem to
believe that one exists. And their trump card is always that Green is too
small to defend other players of that position.
事实是,所有现在是大前锋或是打过大前锋的人,类型都差很多。大前锋没有一个共通标
准。但那些批评Green说他不适合打大前锋的人却相信有一个大前锋的共通标准在,而且
他们的大绝总是说Green身材不够壮,无法对抗其他球队的大前锋。
So, I went through the exercise of testing that theory. Looking at the first
23 games of the 2009/10 season, in which Green has started every game at the
power forward position, I looked at the output of the guy who started
opposite of him. The aggregate player scores 12.0 points, grabs 7.0
rebounds, has 0.8 steals and 0.6 blocks, and has 2 assists to 1.7 turnovers.
On an average night, those same players would have scored 13.3 points,
grabbed 7.7 rebounds, and had similar numbers the rest of the way. When
smoothed out using per minute numbers (to eliminate the problem of players
who weren’t everyday starters) the averages are almost identical to the
first line.
於是我做了一些研究来检验他们的大绝。根据本季打到现在的23场比赛,Green都是先发
大前锋。针对与他对抗的大前锋群,统计出的第一组结果是平均得分12.0、篮板7.0、抄
截0.8、火锅0.6、助攻2.0、失误1.7。相同的球员在联盟(此处不确定:On an average
night)的平均数据是平均得分13.3p、篮板7.7,其他数据大致相同(此为第二组结果)。当
整理出有效数据(将并非固定先发的球员数据删去不计),得到的平均数据非常接近第一组
结果。
My expectation going in, using the detractors null hypothesis, was that
players being guarded by Green would be having career games against Oklahoma
City. What I found was that only two guys have had extremely good nights,
and those two are always capable of domination. Carlos Boozer scored 26 (on
11 of 15 shooting) in a Jazz loss, and Kevin Garnett went 10 of 11 for 23
points in a Celtic blowout. Other than that, no one’s night really stuck
out. The other thing to expect, considering Green is supposedly giving up so
much size, is that the players would be shooting a ton of free throws. In
actuality, Green’s match-ups are getting very little time at the line. Only
one player, Washington’s Antawn Jamison, has gotten as many as seven free
throws in a single game…and he only made three, so it may have been in Coach
Brooks’ strategy to foul him rather than give up good looks. On average,
opposing power forwards are going to the line for 2.4 shots.
我前面假设批评者认为别队的大前锋与雷霆比赛时面对Green的防守都可轻松打的理论是
无效的,而这个统计结果支持我的说法。我只找到两个球员在面对Green时数据明显比较
出色。Booooooooooooooozer面对他打出26分(11/15),但爵士输球,KG则拿下23分
(10/11),雷霆也被超塞惨电。除了这两个,没有别人在面对他时打的更好。我想特别指
出一件事,按理而言Green既然比较瘦,那麽别人应该很容易从他身上凹到罚球机会。实
际上,没几个人可以从他身上凹到罚球机会。只有一个人Antawn Jamison,单场拿到7次
罚球,不过他也只投进3个,所以我想这可能是Brooks的策略:宁可给他罚球也不给投。
平均而言,所有大前锋对上雷霆的罚球次数只有2.4次。
In the end, the worst you could say about Green’s defensive performance is
that he’s only slightly above average because his match-ups are only doing
slightly less than what they would do against anyone else. But meanwhile,
Jeff Green is being the captain of this team, outplaying his opposition, and
reducing the pressure on Kevin Durant.
结论是,说Green防守低於平均水准,他的防守比其他大前锋差的说法是大错特错。与此
同时,Green仍然是这只球队的队长,打的比他的对手好,并且减轻KD所面对的压力。
I think fewer people should be criticizing him and more should be buying 「Go
Green」 shirts from Tree and Leaf.
我认为只有极少数人有资格批评他,大部分的人应该赶快去Tree and Leaf(应该是OKC的
大型服装店)买「Go Green」T来穿。
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1F:推 cielo1318:Green的防守算好的了,低调又能稳定贡献的球员。 12/18 13:59
2F:→ cielo1318:如果每场多给他出手三到四次,他也是可以平均二十分以上 12/18 13:59
3F:推 STAT:push 12/18 16:08
4F:推 phillybutter:支持Green多拿球进攻~毕竟球从低位出发流动率较高~ 12/18 17:08