首先要先跟大家道歉 和谢谢FW大 我左思右想才发现问题症结点 因为在贴吧之类的地方 大家对於前卫=甚麽是有共识的 所以我都是对大家同样有"前卫"概念的状况下和大家讨论 而我自己对於前卫的概念的来源是来自各样的个案分析 而不是先看了前卫的教条知道前卫的定义 所以我在给FW大的回文中会先试着丢个案 或者对抗敌方前卫的手段试图让FW大理解 但是这都是侧面理解 我想FW大也不太能信服 先说一下 前卫舰队基本上是指Detached Wing 但是我觉得後来有点变成舰队对决中的Light Forces对抗都被纳入"前卫"之中 不过这是我个人理解 後来发现有所误会 但是原因在後面会阐述 所以我去求问了 答案可以在F.T.P. 143(A)中找到 https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/WarInst/index.html 请从Major的部分开始看 这玩意从前言的e项就先回答一些问题了 Fast and slow battleships do not ordinarily operate in the same battle line. 快速战列舰和慢速战列舰通常不会在同个战列线一起作战 前卫舰队的组成 The Detached Wing (if employed) composed of fast battleships, large or heavy cruisers with their aircraft and screen. 接近阶段的前卫舰队职责 The Detached Wing During the Approach 1231. When the enemy is employing a detached wing of battleships or battle cruisers, our detached wing of battleships, if one is employed, takes a position on one or the other of our battle flanks, or in the center where it can best oppose the enemy's detached wing. If a large train is present with our force, our detached wing takes a position where it can interpose between the enemy detached wing and the train. The detached wing avoids coming under the concentrated gunfire of the enemy battle line before our battle line is engaged. The detached wing supports the light forces to the extent permitted by the circumstances. 1232. A detached wing of large or heavy cruisers, if employed, takes a position where it can best oppose the enemy's heavy cruisers. Such a detached wing operating in advance of the battle line on the fleet axis may be utilized to force an early deployment on the part of the enemy by driving the enemy light forces toward one flank or the other. Such forced deployment of the enemy leaves the officer in tactical command the option of deploying in either direction as might be advantageous. 可以看到前卫舰队是有支援已方轻型舰队与驱赶敌方轻型舰队以破坏敌人的早期部署 可见前卫舰队会参与轻型舰队的对抗 所以前卫舰队的对战通常会跟轻型舰队的对抗是同时进行 当然这也是因为前卫舰队"够快"能支援轻型舰队 https://imgur.com/5RnrTT1 接近阶段阵型 这时主力决战舰队在干嘛 1225. The officer in tactical command conducts the approach of the force so that the battle line may deploy readily and may bring the enemy battle line under gunfire at the ranges stipulated in the battle plan to be used. 1226. The commander battle line orders the battle line to take an appropriate formation from which a deployment may be made rapidly, if the battle line is not already in such a formation. He maintains the line of bearing of the battleship formation such that the battle line may conveniently and rapidly deploy on a course approximately normal to the bearing of the enemy battle line. 1228. Observation planes on battleships are catapulted during the approach before the battleships commence firing or come under gunfire. The officer in tactical command, if in the battle line, normally initiates this unless he directs otherwise or has prescribed a different normal procedure. If the enemy battle line is endeavoring to avoid or delay action and is successful in delaying the opening of the engagement, catapulting of seaplane observation planes too early during the approach may result in their not being available for spotting, when required, due to exhaustion of fuel. 放水上侦察机阿 调整和维持阵型 准备部署大概如此 後面也在一次提了前卫舰队的职责 12106. Under normal conditions, the usual tasks of a detached wing of large or heavy cruisers are: To engage the heavy cruisers of the enemy or the bulk of the cruiser strength of the enemy. To support our light forces. To attack a designated objective. To defend a designated group. 12107. If sufficient numbers of large or heavy cruisers are available, so that the volume of fire is adequate, they are under some circumstances employed against battle cruisers or battleships that are engaged at the same time with our battleships. 所以除了参与决战对抗敌人战舰外的 大致都属於前卫战的范围 对抗敌人巡洋力量 支援轻型部队 攻击/防御指定目标 如果敌人有前卫舰队 我方没有的後果? 12223. If the enemy is employing a detached wing of fast battleships or battle cruisers in his van, it is desirable for us to employ a detached wing of fast battleships to counter the operations of the enemy's detached wing by denying its positions from which it can concentrate advantageously on the van of our battle line. A detached wing can also prevent an enemy detached wing from driving our van light forces back upon our battle line from the positions they normally seek to attain before launching their attacks. If unopposed, an enemy detached wing could do this easily. 敌人可以轻易的抢占优势位置 并且驱敢我方轻型舰队 怎麽对付前卫舰队? 反正肯定不是用低速BB去对付 12224. If we do not employ a detached wing of fast battleships as a counter to an enemy detached wing of battleships or battle cruisers, an alternate counter measure is to concentrate our air attack on the detached wing and possibly to isolate it by smoke screens laid by aircraft. 如果我们没有前卫舰队去打前卫战 那我们就得依靠飞机 原文还有很多内容 欢迎好好一看 反正免费.. 英国守则请看下一篇 另外值得一谈的是 巡洋舰的职责 我会在下一篇文分享美国於战间期时美国巡洋的职责... 就知道为啥教条把CA跟BC放一起在前卫中 --

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