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Regarding why giving compensations is a complex issue / why we decided not to dismount all modules. We also thought about dismounting all modules and sell them automatically. However, we considered that players having to buy and install all of their modules on all of their ships wasn’t very user-friendly. After all, not every player will change his ships setups and not all modules were changed. Moreover, there’s the risk that some players wouldn’t be aware of the fact we removed modules, would lose credits [to rebuy them I guess] and then, after realizing changes were made, would get upset. Therefore, we came up with a complex compensation/replacement system that will only affect modules that were changed in the patch. It is rather fair. 考虑为什麽要给补偿是个复杂的问题/为什麽我们决定不要卸下所有的模组 我们也想过把所有模组都卸下来然後全部卖掉,不过我们考虑到要让玩家重新装备一次 实在有点不太友善,毕竟不是每个玩家都会改变他的船只设定而且也不是所有模组都改 此外,也有玩家不知道我们把模组拆掉了就傻傻的跑去打对战输钱 事後发现这问题会觉得很不爽,所以我们规划了一个复杂的赔偿金/替代品系统 只会影响到这次改版有有变动的模组,这会比较公平一点。 Regarding secondaries batteries and their nerf. I’d like to explain the situation since there are a lot of questions about it in this thread. 考虑到副炮和他们的nerf,我会在後面解释现在的情况和一些问题。 Firstly, for high-tier ships, taking into consideration the removal of secondary batteries mod 2, and the improvement of secondary batteries mod 3, secondary batteries build will be stronger in 0.5.7. 首先,高阶船只移除了副炮改良模组2,但加强了副炮改良模组3,副炮流会比0.5.6强 In details, Before the patch: +20% range, -20% dispersion, -20% reload time; After the patch: +25% range, -20% dispersion, –25% reload time. In addition, you also get -7% main batteries dispersion; 0.5.6 副炮流 +20%射程 -20%散布 -20%装填时间 0.5.7 副炮流 +25%射程 -20%散布 -25%装填时间,还多了-7%主炮散布! Secondly, regarding secondary batteries at all tiers, the changes made to the game logic in 0.5.6. and found in the patch notes weren’t there just for decoration. With the patch, secondary batteries effectiveness was considerably improved in comparison to the situation prior of patch 0.5.6., which led to secondary batteries being much more effective on all ships. 再来 考虑到所有阶级的副炮,0.5.6我们改变了副炮的逻辑 我们让所有船只的副炮变得更有影响力了 If we calculate the delta damage before and after the patch, secondary batteries effectiveness on BB improved a lot, and by a lot, I mean it doubled. 如果我们精算一下增加的伤害,BB的副炮影响力增加了很多、很多,我是说他加倍了! Here are concrete examples representing the difference in damage between the week before and the week after the patch. 下面是个改版前一周和改版後一周比较的list delta damage HE shells % delta damage AP shells % Fuso 132,8 133,8 Nagato 124,8 113,5 Amagi 154,0 167,2 New Mexico 132,6 – Colorado 116,1 – North Carolina 158,1 – Don’t forget that changes made to secondaries logic in patch 0.5.6. affected all players, not only those who focused on secondaries builds since the changes affected the base mechanics of these armaments. Moreover, let us not forget about the improvements made to the firing range of North Carolina’s, Iowa’s and Montana’s secondaries in patch 0.5.6. 别忘了我们改过副炮逻辑,这影响了所有玩家,不是只有副炮流玩家受影响 更别说我们还改了北卡、Iowa、大拿的副炮射程... Where am I driving at ? To the fact that if you want to understand the core of the problem, in this case the changes made to modules affecting secondaries, you have to examine the situation not only in the context of patches 0.5.6 to 0.5.7., but also in the context of patches x.x.x to 0.5.6 to 0.5.7. 我只是想表达,不要只看到0.5.6~0.5.7 副炮nerf 要看整体副炮是加强的 (你们要去享受这个过程) Source Chance of getting Standard mode was lowered at tier 9-10 because they considered matches lasted too long. According to their research, the ideal time for a battle is 14-15 min. At the same time, 28% of standard battles ended because of the time limit (20min). Players played much too defensively in their opinion, which impacted negatively on the game dynamic and most players’ fun. 根据统计研究,比较恰当的游戏时间是14-15分每场,不过有28%的两点式战斗会拖到 20分钟打好打满,玩家在这模式打得太龟了,对游戏体验是一种负面影响。 Babykim wrote: The most interesting news is that super testers will get the German battleships for testing in update 0.5.8, i.e. in several weeks. The main feature of German battleships is their superior survivability. The Gneisenau gets 380mm guns. 最有趣的消息是,超测玩家将会在0.5.8的测试拿到德国BB来测,几个礼拜内。 德国BB的特色就是他们优秀的生存能力,Gneisenau还会拿到380mm的主炮。 -- 駆逐栖姬 水母栖姫 軽巡ツ级 继续开BB来我就要检举你啦 真是抱歉,下次再来找瑞穗吧 我TMD就是要咖光这些舰载机 軽巡栖鬼 北方栖姫 离岛栖鬼 重复一次,我要求BB7G支援 『 .........(出番なし) 』好久没出场,要怎麽刷存在? 防空栖姫 飞行场姫 田中谦介 300甲是游戏设定,不爽别玩 不要再打了,我是不会掉船的 不这样怎麽阴的到这些提督! --



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1F:推 doroneko : 你今天没爬R8就为了翻这个卯月? ∫(′=ω=) 06/16 04:15
2F:→ freezeraven : ...我是10点多就跑下去睡睡到刚刚起来打每日顺手 06/16 04:16
3F:→ freezeraven : 任何游戏与我睡眠时间抵触者无效... 06/16 04:17
4F:推 Neight : 葛瑞森脑!!!! 06/16 07:41
5F:推 langeo : 意思就是德国bb就是专业沙包是吧 06/16 09:01
6F:推 seannewlee : 扛伤又没经验值...专业沙包真是可怜... 06/16 09:06
7F:→ elmotze : 克里夫兰的生存性也很优秀, 但我不觉得它叫沙包. 06/16 09:08
8F:→ iqeqicq : 德国好DD,不实装吗? 06/16 09:40
9F:→ iqeqicq : 希望德国BB也将高速当作一大特色, 06/16 09:42
10F:→ iqeqicq : 沙恩霍斯特、北宅都是破30节的 06/16 09:43
11F:→ freezeraven : 上次的Q&A就说了,德国BB的特色就是拆掉鱼雷的北宅 06/16 09:53
12F:→ freezeraven : 跑得很快,生存能力不错,就这样... 06/16 09:53
13F:→ freezeraven : 炮管相对的比较小,要到了TX才有420可以用 06/16 09:58
14F:推 langeo : 如果是北宅炮的话还满好用的 只要散布不要那麽差 06/16 10:06
15F:→ langeo : 如果散布跟北宅一样烂又没鱼雷那不就整条线都坑 06/16 10:07
16F:→ freezeraven : 有两种380,一种是北宅版、一种是巴伐利亚级版本 06/16 10:07
17F:→ freezeraven : 估计沙恩2号舰应该是用380mm SK L/45这把 06/16 10:08
18F:→ freezeraven : 另外一把380mm SK C/34就是北宅和小麦用的 06/16 10:11
19F:→ disciple2 : 德国BB有像CA一样分成一般版和大西洋版船体吗?@@ 06/16 10:22
20F:推 a25172366 : 欧洲三剑客在游戏中都还满有优势的,高速特性仍在 06/16 10:23
21F:→ a25172366 : 续航力这些缺点都会不见 06/16 10:23
22F:→ freezeraven : 问题是口径问题天生劣势 06/16 10:29
23F:→ freezeraven : T7开始人家都在用410/406了,你还在380,到T9才有40 06/16 10:43
24F:→ freezeraven : 6/T10 420...官方还认证德国炮线平直,连开罐能力都 06/16 10:44
25F:→ freezeraven : 比较弱 :D 06/16 10:44
26F:推 langeo : 如果没鱼雷 380又跟北宅一样乱跳 那就真的靠北坑了 06/16 10:48
27F:→ langeo : 北宅那散布连在10km里面都有机会乱飘 06/16 10:48
28F:→ freezeraven : T3拿骚、T4赫尔戈兰、T5国王、T6巴伐利亚、T7格奈森 06/16 10:52
29F:→ freezeraven : 瑙、T8俾斯麦、T9 H39 TX H41 (大德意志) 06/16 10:52
30F:→ freezeraven : T4金船应该就是今天Q&A提到的Graf Spee 06/16 10:53
31F:→ iqeqicq : 国王级Konig好有梗,呼应同阶Konigsburg 06/16 11:35
32F:推 Jyunyokaini : 话说 炮线和开罐能力之间有什麽关系吗? 06/16 11:55
33F:→ Jyunyokaini : 米CA炮线世界级的高开罐能力有够畜生 06/16 11:56
34F:→ freezeraven : 高抛就有机会看到他飞比较久,但是掉下来砸甲板穿啊 06/16 11:58
35F:推 Jyunyokaini : 可是平抛可以穿侧面?还是说穿甲板比较容易啊? 06/16 11:59
36F:→ egggg : 甲板装甲厚度比较薄阿 06/16 12:00
37F:→ freezeraven : 甲板铁定比较薄啊,二战米国开罐器不是叫假的 06/16 12:01
38F:→ freezeraven : 欧洲人是觉得炮管很贵重,不肯多做几根逆 06/16 12:10
39F:→ iqeqicq : 英国还比日本早研究51cm炮,详HMS Incomparable 06/16 12:12
40F:→ iqeqicq : 但最後仍因经费问题取消 06/16 12:13
41F:→ iqeqicq : 威尔斯亲王号也有4+4+2门炮啊 06/16 12:14
42F:→ iqeqicq : 最後因为被日机击沉,使英国人彻底对大舰巨炮死心 06/16 12:15
43F:→ supa64 : 阿德国海军本来的海上战场就是打中近距离格斗嘛.... 06/16 12:22
44F:→ supa64 : 所以远距离高仰角?嗄你说啥? 06/16 12:22
45F:推 YomiIsayama : WOWS要开甲板只有BB能啦,从甲板穿到锅炉室造成满伤 06/16 12:45
46F:→ YomiIsayama : 要穿太深了 06/16 12:45
47F:→ YomiIsayama : CA再高抛都只能洗洗睡 06/16 12:46
48F:→ YomiIsayama : 能穿甲板装甲是一回事,要能达到AP满伤条件是另一回 06/16 12:48
49F:→ YomiIsayama : 事 06/16 12:48
50F:→ iqeqicq : 虽然美军CA炮线高,但德梅因可用恐怖射速洗脸 06/16 12:54
51F:推 YomiIsayama : 可是也只有德梅因能而已 06/16 12:56
52F:推 kingaden : 加速装填的DM可以压到几秒一轮啊? 06/16 13:00
53F:推 hollowland : 5.28? 06/16 13:06
54F:推 navalmouse : 美巡最精华的就是厨兰跟DM 两台都能洗人脸 AA也都强 06/16 13:09
55F:→ hollowland : <-爱用鸡翅的脑洞 06/16 13:15
56F:→ iqeqicq : 苏联的莫曼斯克由於是美援舰艇,也有此现象 06/16 13:42
57F:推 dzgin : 小猴子我昨天奥马哈从船尾穿了古鹰一发 应该是甲板 06/16 14:35
58F:→ dzgin : 吧? 06/16 14:35
59F:推 cppleger : 谢谢腐立大大帮我分析铁必制组合包 06/16 14:35
60F:嘘 cy4v : http://i.imgur.com/wQxIrAD.jpg 06/16 16:46
61F:→ cy4v : jptt又跳文喇 06/16 16:47
62F:推 cy4v : 帮推回来 06/16 21:40
63F:→ hello152 : 请给我更多bb洗伤 06/17 21:29







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