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标题Re: [新闻]微软承诺可见将来都不会再有像WP8的大更新
时间Tue Jul 3 19:06:20 2012
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Microsoft: We've only shown you a minority of consumer features in Windows
Phone 8 so far
Greg Sullivan, senior product manager for Windows Phone, has told Pocket-lint
that the company has so far only showed a minority of features aimed at
consumers in Windows Phone 8. We can expect plenty more to be revealed in the
run up to the launch later this year.
"We showed a lot at the Sneak Peek event in San Francisco, if you were a
developer or an IT pro," he exclusively told us.
"Of the end-user consumer visible features and capabilities, we showed a
minority of features at the event."
Sullivan wouldn't share with us what the company still has in store, but
confirmed there was plenty more coming besides just a new start screen -
maybe a new Windows Phone 8 arched keyboard?
Much of the Sneak Peek event focused on Windows Phone 8 developer and IT pro
features, with consumers only really getting a glimpse at the new start
screen and the NFC wallet. However, Sullivan was keen to tell us that won't
be the case in the final version.
"This release has a significant amount of new functionality for developers
and IT pros in particular, and because of the planning cycles involved in
getting them the information they need to take advantage of the release when
it hits, we thought it was important to confirm and prepare them. Which is
partly why we didn't detail all the consumer features," he explained.
The news is likely to be welcomed by Windows Phone fans who probably thought
that, from a feature point of view, the new update, expected in October,
wasn't going to deliver much to the average consumer.
"You have to balance it. We aren’t vertically integrated like Apple, we have
a host of partners we work with, a developer eco-system to think about," said
Sullivan.
"We [Microsoft] provide a general-purpose platform that provides a choice of
manufacturers and a choice of folks building on it, and that really makes it
difficult for us to launch hours after we announce it."
It's a schedule that the senior product manager hopes won't have to be
repeated anytime soon though.
"The way we are thinking about this is that Windows Phone 8 is a generational
shift that has an associated discontinuity that we don't expect to happen
again soon," he said.
"The headroom that we get from this new architecture is so significant that
it provides us room to grow for a long time."
That headroom is in line with what you see on laptops and tablets today. In
theory, Sullivan said, the Windows Phone 8 mobile operating system will be
able to support processors with not just dual-core capability, but also those
up to 64-cores.
But why the change now rather than three years ago when Windows Phone 7 was
announced? Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think
so.
"We reset our mobile strategy in early 2009. And in late 2010 we delivered a
product based on that approach. We went back to the drawing board and started
over," he told us.
"We didn't start over from an architecture point of view, but we went very
'low'. It did lots of things, but not what we have today with Windows Phone 8.
"We didn't [go with Windows architecture] because of a couple of dynamics
that made it infeasible to do that at the time. The first is that Windows
wasn't on ARM at that time. Could the phone team have down it? Yes I suppose,
but that work hadn't been done yet.
"The other reason is that the work we've done on Windows Phone 8 and the
processors are different in a meaningful way from the previous generation or
the ones that we are shipping on today.
"At a risk of over simplifying it, the work on the SOCs [phone processors]
today is hierarchy dominated by the modem chip and the apps processor is
secondary to it, in the next generation that relationship is reversed and the
apps processor is the boss."
But perhaps more importantly for Microsoft, seeing that Apple's iPhone was
dominating the smartphone market, and Google's Android platform was starting
to get traction, Microsoft didn't want to wait any longer.
"In 2009 it didn't seem a good idea to wait for multi-core processor
support," Sullivan rationalised.
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不好意思懒得逐段翻了。
前半段是在说WP8会有更多会场上没提到的新功能,後半段则是在解释WP7升级问题。
大意就是,为何当初没有让WP7机种搭配较好的硬体(多核支援)预留能够升级的空间呢?因
为WP7作为2009年WM砍掉重练後的系统,没时间搞那些当时已经出现的多核支援。他同时
认为这次WP8大改其实是他们一直想要做的,但不认为当时先让WP上有何不对,因为当时
苹果已经吃掉大半行动市场,估狗也展现了牵制的实力急起直追,微软不能等。
言下之意就是在微软的规划中,WP7系列只是为了卡位的半成品,但他们不觉得有错。以
市场策略来说或许无可厚非,但你WP推出时有跟消费者说清楚吗?你跟消费者说是全新架
构,现在又改口间接承认那只是半成品所以没办法升级到WP8。最令人生气的是他那句
"Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think so."
这样还护航得下去吗?
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1F:推 helloken2006:微软的跩样让我真的满不爽的,虽然8的萤幕很丑不想升 07/03 19:20
2F:→ helloken2006:但是看到MS这麽虾掰让人超不爽的,以後绝对不买。 07/03 19:21
3F:推 siro0207:如果苹果也这样对我 我就二话不说直接离开了 07/03 19:23
4F:推 w0420cc:对其他两系统不感兴趣 还是会继续用WP 没别的困扰XDD 07/03 19:28
5F:推 sisyphus96:微软的态度真的很跩...我好难理解他们怎麽能跩成这样.. 07/03 19:29
6F:→ Riyuberg:很难理解吗? 他的平台要统一江湖啦 大家骂归骂 07/03 19:30
7F:→ Riyuberg:Win8 WP8只会更多厂商投入而已 谁理你们? 07/03 19:31
8F:→ friedpig:财大气粗 稳定成长中 没有倒闭压力 要多跩就能多跩 07/03 19:43
9F:→ friedpig:就算手机市场整个失败 还是能从其他地方赚回来 07/03 19:43
10F:→ kivabat:我不太懂你们看这遍文章气的点是什麽 ?解释给我听一下 07/03 20:00
11F:→ dos1019:可以接受的就继续用 无法接受的就不要用 07/03 20:06
12F:→ dos1019:难道当初你买的时候微软有给过你什麽承诺吗? 07/03 20:07
讲这样还看不懂,我也没必要解释给你们懂
你们觉得很好、没什麽或可接受我也没有任何意见
13F:推 FirstClass:气的点就是拿WP7使用者来练功卡位升等 不觉得有错 07/03 20:10
14F:推 sisyphus96:我只是很想听MS的人说一声"让大家买了手机不到半年就被 07/03 20:15
15F:→ dos1019:不用麻烦你翻译了 我自己看得懂 07/03 20:16
我又没逼你看我的翻译,你会不会太好笑了点
16F:→ sisyphus96:迫必须立刻准备换手机,真的非常抱歉.." 07/03 20:17
17F:→ sisyphus96:而不是"我觉得我们为了卡市场,所以推出半成品的系统,非 07/03 20:18
※ 编辑: Riyuberg 来自: 220.136.188.204 (07/03 20:18)
18F:→ sisyphus96:常合理,我并不觉得我们有做错" 07/03 20:18
19F:→ iterator:跟 Nokia, HTC 说...... 07/03 20:18
20F:→ sisyphus96:我很肤浅,就算只是表面上的道歉,都能让我好过一点 07/03 20:19
21F:→ sisyphus96:MS的人,发言的口气感觉一直很有问题 07/03 20:21
22F:→ kivabat:原文的问题明明是 为什麽现在才打算支援多核 而不是3年前 07/03 20:26
23F:→ kivabat:这当初是不是个错误的决定 07/03 20:26
24F:→ kivabat:微软回答3年前WINDOWS FOR ARM 还没做好 而且市场压力不 07/03 20:28
25F:→ kivabat:能等 07/03 20:28
But why the change now rather than three years ago when Windows Phone 7 was
announced? Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think
so.
前後文看一看好吗
※ 编辑: Riyuberg 来自: 220.136.188.204 (07/03 20:30)
26F:推 theKusoStar:让他们继续护航吧 反正愿意相信下去就去买 以现在这状 07/03 20:34
27F:→ theKusoStar:况微软的发言模式就像我当初相信wp7会很棒一样 07/03 20:35
28F:→ kivabat:是你没看还是我没看... 07/03 20:35
29F:→ theKusoStar:等整个大环境和APP厂商能apple google, 和MS 能一律平 07/03 20:36
30F:推 sisyphus96:做生意有做生意上的考量,我可以理解,但是我在意的是MS 07/03 20:36
31F:→ theKusoStar:等 同时间推出和完整功能体验 不知道要多久 07/03 20:37
32F:→ sisyphus96:发言的态度. 对於对消费者造成的伤害,毫无歉意. 很跩. 07/03 20:37
33F:→ theKusoStar:现在看来就是微软注定在这分面占绝大弱势 又不努力改 07/03 20:38
34F:→ sisyphus96:只是要一句"造成大家的冲击,非常抱歉" 跟要他们的命一 07/03 20:39
35F:→ theKusoStar:善 只会在那画大饼 等观众等到肚子都饿了 才跟你说 对 07/03 20:39
36F:→ theKusoStar:不起 我们换菜单 请你们重新买票 07/03 20:39
37F:→ sisyphus96:样...一次一次的辩解,只是伤害支持者的感情而已... 07/03 20:39
38F:→ kivabat:我想 要大公司道歉 不太容易 就像天线门那样 07/03 21:00
39F:推 siro0207:你说HTC天线门吗? 07/03 21:02
40F:→ kivabat:我同意kuso 说的 支持的就会继续支持 不支持就是不支持 07/03 21:03
41F:推 lavendin82:还好我3月多就脱手了(菸) 07/03 21:17
42F:嘘 helloken2006:我不懂上面有些找不到重点的人是哪里有问题。 07/03 21:33
43F:→ helloken2006:支持?当时听到Nokia要出Windows Phone的时候马上支持 07/03 21:34
44F:→ helloken2006:现在是微软面对顾客的时候就是感谢你们进行Beta测试 07/03 21:34
45F:→ helloken2006:嘿,我的确没有想要升上WP8,但是以後出一堆APP都不 07/03 21:35
46F:→ helloken2006:能用,这倒是我始料未及的。 随你们护航,你们家的事 07/03 21:36
47F:推 crisis7287:标题其实没说错阿 WP8不会有 因为已经变成WP9了 XD 07/03 21:42
48F:→ crisis7287:MS该做的是告诉大家7.8会有哪些功能改变 让人期待一下 07/03 21:44
49F:→ crisis7287:而不是一直执着解释自己是正确的 反正决策都下了... 07/03 21:45
50F:推 slodnet:反正MS有的是实验品,注定在行动市场和音乐商店这块失败了 07/03 21:46
51F:→ windows2k:这不就是我之前说的那样.. 07/03 21:50
52F:嘘 slodnet:我只能说执行长换成肥鲍这个Ass hole之後,微软越来越不 07/03 22:00
53F:→ slodnet:老实了,反而比尔在位的时候还好。 07/03 22:01
54F:→ BlitzX:支持的就会继续支持 是吗? 07/03 22:42
55F:推 notmuchmoney:2%... 甘有差? 07/03 22:48
56F:推 by0413:很少看到市占2%就能这麽高姿态的 不说还以为是市占50% 07/03 22:59
57F:→ friedpig:微软表示: WIN8市占没对手阿 WP8跟WIN8绑一起 轻松~~~ 07/03 23:00
58F:推 sisyphus96:WP8目前市占为0 要说没对手,感觉好像也不算错XD 07/03 23:34
59F:→ slodnet:微软此时的态度和Nokia先前还是龙头时的态度一样 07/04 00:04
60F:→ friedpig:微软还有很多东西好称 不会烙到NOKIA的下场 OK的 07/04 00:05
61F:推 helloken2006:Nokia表示:... 话说Nokia还是很龙头啊,更新也慢慢来 07/04 00:06
62F:→ crisis7287:去年就说NOKIA中木马了...当然慢 XD 07/04 00:08
63F:推 helloken2006:希望Elop为了自清多加把劲,修好相机我还是能接受 07/04 00:11
64F:→ sisyphus96:连900的相机都是绿的,应该是不用期待会修好了吧 07/04 00:12
65F:→ helloken2006:上面这句话我可以当作没听到(血泪) 07/04 00:15
66F:推 Rohmer:无所谓啊 反正约满就换iphone吧 07/04 00:36
67F:推 qaz630210:就是因为只有2%才这麽唱秋 如果今天是20%可能就变能升腌 07/04 00:43
68F:→ qaz630210:割版的wp8 现在一副就是2%不继续支持就算了 老子要去拓 07/04 00:44
69F:→ qaz630210:荒新市场搂 07/04 00:44
70F:推 Rohmer:很好奇wp8的新客户要从哪来?用ios的还是andriod的? 07/04 00:46
71F:→ Rohmer:以前我还会推荐朋友mango机,现在哪敢推荐啊 07/04 00:47
72F:→ Rohmer:反正微软根本没差 公司不会倒嘛 少个2%无所谓 07/04 00:48
73F:推 k769292:这时候我就摸摸我的 6120C 多亏它~让我幸免於难~ 07/04 10:46
74F:推 kitedolphin:换IPHONE吧 07/04 11:22